Let me seee your 1923-s Walking Liberty Halves... Please
waterzooey
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I have not found mine yet so i am want to see others...
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Between the 23-S Lincoln and WLH get ready to search a long time!
Sorry, the registry coin is impounded in the safe deposit box, where I won't be tempted by even the most insane offer
There was an MS63 recently on E-bay but it was so horribly struck I could not bring myself to buy it... even though it was priced fair- According to pop reports there are over 100 in AU with 30+ in AU58...
This coin is IMHO by the most hardest coin to find in the set at AU55/58. I have had multiples of all the others either offered or purchased but this one... Never... grrrrr
I have a bottle of champagne on reserve for the day I find it...
Broadstruck- I have seen that 23-s multiple times now (through your postings) and it is a mighty fine coin...
Come on Greg... Just pull it out for a second... I just want to look at it- I promise I will not make any offer.... I just want to see them...
I can only peruse the Heritage auction archives for so long before I want to see other peoples....
<< <i> According to pop reports there are over 100 in AU with 30+ in AU58... >>
Interesting - I would have thought it was lower than this, based on my years of observation, and I don't think many would be multiple regrades.
As an additional data point, there are well over 100 registered Walker Full Date sets at NGC......among all those sets, there are two NGC 50's listed, an NGC 55, and my PCGS 55.....of course, the upper echelon sets have MS coins in them. I also know they are not sitting in dealer's inventory......I attend the winter and summer FUN shows every year (plus a lot of smaller shows), and I bought the only AU 23S I've seen there, from Steve Musil. He mentioned that he had purchased one from another dealer, but hadn't picked it up.....I would not leave until he went and got it so I could buy it. So where are they?
Looking at heritage archives there has only been 1 PCGS 58 come through since 2006. DAMNIT!
They are sitting in collections... I have seen 2 MS63's and a 64 for sale but NO AU coins.
Someone has one- I am offering very generous reward for the location and acquistion of said coin...
I am coming down to FUN so hopefully I will find one there.
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FWIW there is a decent (decent) XF on ebay right now.
I have owned two AU coins over the last 5 years. These two coins taught me more about collecting silver coins than any other two coins that I have EVER owned. It is such a long story that I dare not tell it here. But, I had them both together at the same time----sold the AU58 coin in a PCGS holder first. Then later on I sold the AU55 coin in a PCGS holder.
Both coins made me a lot of money----far more than I ever expected.
Currently, I own two XF coins. One is in an NGC holder----the other in a PCGS holder. Either of these coins can be viewed in my NGC registry sets---Doc's Walkers---on the NGC side of things. The NGC coin is in my first set---the PCGS coin is in the second set.
The 23S Walker is among several "early" Walker dates that are real tough in the XF or AU grades. One must remember that it is even tougher to find these early Walkers in original patina or original skinned condition. Other hard ones to find in XF--Au are the 19D and 19S---20D--17S Obv---all the three 1921 coins---16S in XF
Any of these dates and mints mentioned above---including the 23S coin---are true prizes in a nice VF--AU grade. Matching a set of Walkers by grade and color from that VF--Au grouping is quite the chore---and worthy of the finest endeavor. Best to all of you in your searches. Bob [supertooth]
The 23-s is the only coin missing from my set that I am looking for- the 21pds are PURELY fiscal deletions. I have acquired the rest, in a large part due to the mentoring of Walkerguy21D, with relative quickness.
walkerguy and I actually discussed the NGC55 that went through heritage last and we both decided it just was not worth paying the exorbitant price- In hindsight I was wrong but at the time i concurred completely. I will not make that mistake again.
1916 PCGS MS64
1916-D WLH PCGS AU 58 OGH
1916-S WLH PCGS AU58
1917 WLH PCGS MS 62 OGH
1917 D Obverse PCGS AU 58
1917-S reverse WLH NGC AU-58 (Old Holder)
1917-s Obverse ANACS MS61
1917-D Reverse ANACS MS63
1918 WLH ANACS AU 53
1918-S WLH NGC AU55
1919 WLH PCGS AU 53
1919-s WLH NGC AU53
1920 WLH PCGS AU58
1920-s WLH PCGS AU-58
As you can see the collection is moving along... However that damn 23-s is just being the biggest roadblock!
When I saw your post about wanting a AU 23s WLH I immediately did a bunch of searches in the hope that I could help you find one, get a small finders fee and put it towards the amount I owe you for you know what. However, I could FIND NADA. I mean nothing on this. Even big dealers didn't have 23s WLH at all. Whats up with that?????
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<< <i>waterzooey----- You have not brought this coin out into the open more than it already is out there. Anyone who is a serious Walker person is aware of this date and mint. And, anyone who has looked for it, knows how tough that it can be to find.
I have owned two AU coins over the last 5 years. These two coins taught me more about collecting silver coins than any other two coins that I have EVER owned. It is such a long story that I dare not tell it here. But, I had them both together at the same time----sold the AU58 coin in a PCGS holder first. Then later on I sold the AU55 coin in a PCGS holder.
Both coins made me a lot of money----far more than I ever expected.
Currently, I own two XF coins. One is in an NGC holder----the other in a PCGS holder. Either of these coins can be viewed in my NGC registry sets---Doc's Walkers---on the NGC side of things. The NGC coin is in my first set---the PCGS coin is in the second set.
The 23S Walker is among several "early" Walker dates that are real tough in the XF or AU grades. One must remember that it is even tougher to find these early Walkers in original patina or original skinned condition. Other hard ones to find in XF--Au are the 19D and 19S---20D--17S Obv---all the three 1921 coins---16S in XF
Any of these dates and mints mentioned above---including the 23S coin---are true prizes in a nice VF--AU grade. Matching a set of Walkers by grade and color from that VF--Au grouping is quite the chore---and worthy of the finest endeavor. Best to all of you in your searches. Bob [supertooth] >>
Here are the links for Supertooth's two XF 1923s :
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Had a good buddy in California who had a devil of a time with the 17S Obv coin. He looked for what seemed like forever---with me looking too for him. While I had absolutely no trouble finding the date and mint early on in my searching.
You see guys always looking for the 19D and the 20D coins. There are a few here on the forum who always seem to mention those dates as well.
My tough find has turned out to be the 17S Reverse coin. While I have owned several in various holders, I have "ALWAYS" eventually sold them all. Can't seem to find the coin totally original. There have been dozens available in high AU and in MS grades----but I have failed so far to find a high grade coin that fits into the theme of the set. It just requires more patience. And that patience is the key to a lot of sets---no matter what series one might collect.
Another tough coin for me was the 35S coin. Again, what I wanted seemed to elude all my efforts---for years. It wasn't till another dear friend found it for me that I was able to obtain the piece. I will always thank Dewayne for that coin.
So, be patient. That 23S coin will indeed come along eventually. One tends to appreciate the hunt even more over time. Then, the rewards are greater after all the efforts that one puts into the search. These days, the desirable Walkers are held tightly. Many times it isn't even about the money. Some folks just want to keep their coins---no matter what they are offered for them. I think that is WHY many dealers sometimes tell their clients to just throw the sheet away if they have any hope of acquiring certain coins. And, if the seller knows that you especially need and want a certain date, you must be wary when buying. It is all a part of the "giant game" that all of us are playing. Good luck. Bob [supertooth]
The17s Ob was the last of the early dates for me to fill besides the 23s- I have 2 auctions houses and 3 dealers looking for the coin for me. If there is one for sale i will find it....
Anyway that we can just drop the subject now... move it along.. nothing to see here..
Maybe we can get the moderator to POOF this topic.
Yes, there are a number of nemesis in this series, depending on the set you are trying to build, and if you throw in eye appeal, strike, and/or originality as a caveat, this makes it even tougher.....many years ago, I was trying to build a slider set of the dates of the 30's, and this was quite difficult (being pre-internet was a hindrance to be sure, but there were still a lot of shows and dealer ads, and fewer collectors then). Many of mint mark dates in the 30's are common in circ grades and MS, but rare in choice AU. The 33S, 35S, 37D, and 38D are much more common in MS64 than AU55/58. There are a number of other ironies in the series as well. The 16S is more common AU and Unc then in true F/VF. I had two customers with this date in this grade on their list for years, and I think they both gave up before acquiring them. The 17S Obv in VF is very tough, but seems a little more plentiful if high XF/AU. The 21 trio is also interesting - the 21S is common in F and VF, far more common than the 21P and D. But this date is tougher in XF and AU than the P and D counterparts.
The 20D in AU, as Bob mentions, has been a real stopper for me, though I was lucky to snag the 23S when I did - I would not want to be competing for one against waterzooey!
I keep thinking that once I get the Barber Dimes and Halves finished (I have run into the wall of Rarity with the halves already) I am thinking that a set of really nice original VF Walkers would really be beautiful..... I do have a VG/F set that I am halfheartedly working on in a Dansco, but a nice set of strong VF coins would really be something.
It's the nice thing about not linking Uncirculated coins, the budget allows for a much bigger collection and, for what I collect, a bigger challenge..
Damnit where is Bushmaster and PawPaul at when i need them....
You know for everyone wanting to start a WLH set I would really think twice and maybe do a franklin set or maybe a nice Kennedy set... Walkers really are not that fun of a set to do... Skip it...
hey walkerguy think this worked
Have always been amazed at Bruce Fox's book. Although it is a long way from 1993, and does need a remake, its information is certainly still valid today.
I have done several stat sheets on the Walkers over the years. I used to do that for the CCtwenties when I was into them years ago. If you can take a ten year run---compare all the TPGS population figures----make a comparison to the Fox book----compare current prices to those of years ago. Well, it can be an "eye opener". And, honestly, what I knew say ten years ago----has only been reinforced 100 fold [ with minor adjustments]. It is amazing how little really differs in that 10 year time frame. You just have more pieces of the puzzle. And, in having those pieces, you can wish that you would have done more in certain areas than you did do. You tend to see the end goal a bit clearer.
Yet, the more that you study the series, the more that you learn. And it can be very rewarding to bring certain conclusions about the series to the forefront. All of a sudden you realize that you have just picked up another tidbit that falls into place---just as a piece of the puzzle. You may not be able to absolutely prove it----but you have made a logical guess that likely is correct. It helps you to understand the "WHY" of why certain dates and mints are like they are? You take another step up the ladder of your numismatic knowledge.
I almost forgot. I really like your 23S coin kaz. I think that you have shown it before and I failed to comment on it. It is lovely. You all take care now. Bob [supertooth]