How will Mr. Moy be remembered by collectors in the future?

Buffalode · December 7, 2009 6:42AM

History has a way of emphasizing one aspect or another of a person's accomplishments, or the lack thereof. Sometimes it seems that only the good, or only the bad, is remembered. So how will Mr. Moy's tenure as Mint Director be remembered? Will it be positive because of the UHR and some of the other issues during his tenure? Will it be negative because of many coins not being issued or eliminated, shipping problems, delays, etc? Or will he just quietly fade away, and the most common response when a collector many years from now is asked what they think of him be simply "Who?"

LindeDad · December 7, 2009 6:47AM

And who are you talking about?

golfer72 · December 7, 2009 6:56AM

Who?

coinkid855 · December 7, 2009 7:08AM

Him?

-Paul

Goldbully · December 7, 2009 7:10AM

Baltimore ANA 2008

Bochiman · December 7, 2009 7:29AM

He's probably created more photo ops for himself than any other mint director

That's all he seems concerned about....with all the issues that have come up during his tenure, and stretching the mint's resources thin with all the offerings to the point that problems occur more than they should, I don't think he will be, nor should he be, remembered in a positive light.

He will have had 1 or 2 "good hits" but I think many more strikes.

Part of it may well be the people he surrounds himself with. I see that in business a lot. Someone up above surrounds themself with people that cause the problems. Well, sometimes, "it" rolls uphill as well (and, it should).

ChrisRx · December 7, 2009 7:34AM

AG-3

Walmann · December 7, 2009 7:37AM

I thought this was the topic of the "Very Sad" thread.

Bear · December 7, 2009 7:46AM

He will be discarded to the dustbin of history.

Mar327 · December 7, 2009 7:47AM

DUD

ambro51 · December 7, 2009 8:00AM

I will remember him as the Mint Direcxtor who let the commerative 2009 Lincoln cents continue with the black pool spot problem.

What an opportunity to "clean up the act' and solve this problem....but NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Gemineye · December 7, 2009 8:12AM

<< And who are you talking about?

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Who is on ..First..!!...

lathmach · December 7, 2009 8:15AM

Who?

messydesk · December 7, 2009 8:36AM

For the Chinese food at his parents' restaurant. He and I graduated from the same high school, although not at the same time.

Really, how is any mint director remembered? The proliferation of crap is Congress' doing. Shipment delays are a testament to everyone's impatience, especially when you compare it to how long it took to get a proof set back when that was the only non-circulating product the mint produced. Quality problems are now measured here by the probablility that a given issue will not grade 70 and be instantly flippable to someone who would rather have it -- a different measure than that used by the mint. The biggest enduring change that collectors will see, is the abandonment of manually lettered coins (all CAD fonts now) on new designs and the change in the proof cameo finish from a very fine, frosty finish to a coarse, pebbly finish, neither of which I like.

ChrisRx · December 7, 2009 8:37AM

TwoSides2aCoin · December 7, 2009 8:45AM

When my Certificates of Authenticity don't have his name on them , I'll start remembering.

291fifth · December 7, 2009 8:52AM

He will be forgotten just as quickly as the mint directors before him.

RWB · December 7, 2009 8:53AM

Few modern Mint Directors are remembered. They have very little control over what is done, but take the blame for most of what Congress does.

Director Moy has instituted reforms and changes in management and in the approach toward employees that coin collectors never see. He has also resolved long-standing conflicts with the Smithsonian and similar entities, improved documentation and accountability (read: "saving for the future") modern pattern and experimental pieces. (An example you might soon see is the progress strike set for the UHR $20 which was given to SI.) He has also tried to institute newer, more modern designs on coins and medals, and is the first director in 20 years to order inventory and publication of mint artifacts held at the Philadelphia Mint. (He actually hired a museum curator to do it right.)

While collectors might blame Dir. Moy for decisions required by Congress, and I will agree that some additional changes - such as TR on the parks quarters - could also have been made, I think his tenure will be one of the most advantageous to numismatics in a very long time.

[Disclaimer #1. I am a member of the Treasury Department’s CCAC and have talked with Dir. Moy individually and participated in numerous meetings covering administrative and "routine operational" subjects.]

[Disclaimer #2. Having done considerable research in the personal papers of former directors, and their staff members, I am aware of personal opinions expressed by past directors concerning coin collectors and dealers. They are not commonly as benign as what many might assume.]

lunytune2 · December 7, 2009 10:47AM

As the person who made the US mint into a 100% buisness instead of the supplier of coinage for the United States . I have yet to receive a 2009 coin , and just think of all the non circulating legal tender coins you must obtain from the mint in order to update your Danscos .

SeaEagleCoins · December 7, 2009 11:09AM

Mr. Moy? Who's Mr. Moy? I don't know any Mr. Moy ... and I don't want to talk about it any moy, either...

pf70collector · December 7, 2009 11:25AM

oy moy.

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Swampboy · December 7, 2009 12:07PM

Thanks for the reply RWB.
I appreciate the perspective.

Cocoinut · December 7, 2009 12:58PM

Oh yeah I remember him - he was the guy that was going to give us coins with artistic merit, but instread gave us the bland PC 2009 platinum prroof and the lame design for the cent that began in 2010. I wish I was going to live long enough to see that cent replaced in 2035, but I probably won't make it till then.

Jim

jmski52 · December 7, 2009 2:40PM

Few modern Mint Directors are remembered. They have very little control over what is done, but take the blame for most of what Congress does.

Congress specifies the designs in a general way. Moy is the one who authorizes the final design details.

Instead of following the intent of the law and displaying the American Eagle on the reverse of the Platinum Eagles, Moy allowed politically-correct committees to place a crappy little privy mark of an eagle's head onto a design that lacks inspiration and promotes a political agenda, among other things.

CaptHenway · December 7, 2009 3:15PM

Coin World Online has two interesting stories about businesses supplying precious metals planchets to the Mint and other people offering to supply precious metals planchets to the Mint and getting blown off by the Mint.

From the stories, I would say that the shortage of planchets that caused the Mint to cancel the Proof gold and silver American Eagle programs this year is the Mint's fault.

TD

P.S.: Coin World Online is well worth the money, IMHO.

HIGHLOWLEAVES · December 7, 2009 3:44PM

I'm a collector and I will always remember Mr Moy as the USM Director from Wisconsin who knows the person(s) responsible for tampering with the WI Quarter dies at the die shop in the Fall of 2004 but won't disclose the info. to us in the hobby. Way to go, Mr.Coy !!

HalfStrike · December 7, 2009 6:29PM

I think the reverse proofs, the high relief saint, the gold buffalo coins, the low mintage liberty spouse coins have been jewels from the mint. Even the mint mess ups, like the 2008 expansion of products that led to low mintage bullion was a plus from a collectors perspective.

On the down side the recent modern design selections could have been better, however the classic designs that were returned were outstanding.

Anyway just wanted to say something positive about the mint. We may never see another year like 2008 again, in all its glory.

Type2 · December 7, 2009 6:35PM

I will always remember Mr Moy as the USM Director that. Let the collectors of US coins down for not minting Silver Proof Eagles and Gold Eagles Thank you for a job well dun in reping us off. But that is just me.

BillJones · December 7, 2009 10:44PM

<< He's probably created more photo ops for himself than any other mint director >>

That in the handbook for personal conduct in this administration isn't it?

CaptHenway · December 8, 2009 12:11AM

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<< He's probably created more photo ops for himself than any other mint director >>

That in the handbook for personal conduct in this administration isn't it? >>

Moy has been doing it for years, ever since he was appointed by the previous administration.

renman95 · December 8, 2009 12:24AM

Moy shmoy.

Mercury10c · December 8, 2009 4:47AM

WoodenJefferson · December 8, 2009 5:16AM

Well, he did answer one of my e-mails once, when he was first appointed, but soon went private as soon as he found out just how upset collectors can get when the mint was/is so totally screwed up when it came to selling their products, as opposed to issuing.

Just wok on by.

NitroCruiser · December 9, 2009 11:18AM

How will Mr. Moy be remembered by collectors in the future?

Who?

TwoSides2aCoin · December 9, 2009 11:35AM

He's got a lot of issues during his watch which have exploded in value. LQQK at the whole picture, not just the bad, but all of it.
Promotions are of great importance in this hobby, long before the coins are minted.

JupitarCoins · December 10, 2009 5:07AM

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Baltimore ANA 2008 >>

Man oh man thats one ugly man.

ttown · December 10, 2009 5:19AM

He was great on the 3 stooges

pmac · December 10, 2009 5:41AM

As many presidents are remembered, he will be remembered for issues beyond his control.

How will Mr. Moy be remembered by collectors in the future?

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