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Guess the grade PCGS gave this seated dollar...
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<< <i>If that mark on her arm is as minted... 66. Otherwise 64.
We'll see how wrong I am soon enough! >>
Regardless of the assigned grade, that mark on the arm, even assuming it was man made, should not make for a two point difference in grade.
Edited to add: Besides the mark on the arm, what causes you to deduct 6 points from a 70 on the coin?
I'll guess the grade at MS-65, limited to that mainly because of the slightly weak strike on the top half of the obverse corresponding to the lower half of the reverse, which affects the upper obv stars as well as Miss Liberty's head & hair detail, and the "One Dollar" denomination on the reverse.
I presume that she may be a shot MS-66 coin. The TPGS's don't seem to give as much consideration to strength of strike, mint luster, and original surfaces, as they do to either presence or lack of contact marks.
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<< <i>since I can only see a pair of red x's (I'm at work
<< <i>since I can only see a pair of red x's (I'm at work
So you can't see the images but you're guessing MS66 based on the replies?
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<< <i>If that mark on her arm is as minted... 66. Otherwise 64.
We'll see how wrong I am soon enough! >>
Regardless of the assigned grade, that mark on the arm, even assuming it was man made, should not make for a two point difference in grade.
Edited to add: Besides the mark on the arm, what causes you to deduct 6 points from a 70 on the coin? >>
Mark,
I question it being post mint because it looks like either a proof or a proof-like coin to me. I'd expect to see a break in the frost if it was PMD.
It is an exceptional coin however.. I am not good at grading MS Seated Dollars however
If that's not post mint on the arm.. and the scratches and lines are on the holder.
A 67 wouldn't shock me.
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<< <i>If that mark on her arm is as minted... 66. Otherwise 64.
We'll see how wrong I am soon enough! >>
Regardless of the assigned grade, that mark on the arm, even assuming it was man made, should not make for a two point difference in grade.
Edited to add: Besides the mark on the arm, what causes you to deduct 6 points from a 70 on the coin? >>
Mark,
I question it being post mint because it looks like either a proof or a proof-like coin to me. I'd expect to see a break in the frost if it was PMD.
It is an exceptional coin however.. I am not good at grading MS Seated Dollars however
If that's not post mint on the arm.. and the scratches and lines are on the holder.
A 67 wouldn't shock me. >>
Thanks for the explanation. And for what it's worth, other than being too tough on the coin in the event that the mark on the arm occurred after it was struck, I think you're doing just fine.
It is one of two MS67s for the type (with motto seated dollar). There are also two MS67s in the without motto type. I felt fortunate to add this to my collection since Trade Dollar Nut seems to have most of the nice seated dollars esconced in his collection.
The other MS67 with motto seated dollar is in TDN's collection and has a better and more even strike. This one has luster coming out the wazoo.... (which doesn't really get captured in these photos)
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<< <i>This one has luster coming out the wazoo.... (which doesn't really get captured in these photos) >>
It looks pretty fantastic in the slab photo!
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<< <i>If that mark on her arm is as minted... 66. Otherwise 64.
We'll see how wrong I am soon enough! >>
Regardless of the assigned grade, that mark on the arm, even assuming it was man made, should not make for a two point difference in grade.
Edited to add: Besides the mark on the arm, what causes you to deduct 6 points from a 70 on the coin? >>
Mark,
I question it being post mint because it looks like either a proof or a proof-like coin to me. I'd expect to see a break in the frost if it was PMD.
It is an exceptional coin however.. I am not good at grading MS Seated Dollars however
If that's not post mint on the arm.. and the scratches and lines are on the holder.
A 67 wouldn't shock me. >>
Thanks for the explanation. And for what it's worth, other than being too tough on the coin in the event that the mark on the arm occurred after it was struck, I think you're doing just fine.
Well it was kinda glaring to me in those pics, but now that I see it in the holder and see what I think the luster looks like...
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<< <i>Fantastic Seated Dollar! Is that the Jimmy Hayes coin or does TDN have that one put away? >>
The Hayes coin is in the Legend Collection.
"I felt the reverse was spectacular and the obverse so-so... a bit weakly struck and ticky?"
I also feel, based on what I've heard about this coin, that the pictures that my monitor are displaying are lacking some luster that is definately there. I will also not say my grade, I too already know.
<< <i>In case anyone is interested, that's the Knoxville specimen. Knoxville was a fantastic non gold type collection of both proof and circulation strikes [one of each]. >>
I'm interested!
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<< <i>It seems semi PL to me. Nice coin. >>
Yes it is proof-like Bear.
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<< <i>I hope Im wrong ..."genuine" ?????? >>
This was my first thought as well. Hope I'm all wet but the obverse
has no luster, at least compared to the reverse pic.
bob
Edited to add or MS66.
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I give you credit for not being at all defensive about the grade guesses for your coin. It can be excruciatingly painful to post or see a nice coin posted, then watch and cringe at how the grade guesses compare to the assigned grade. You set a great example with the attitude and conduct you displayed in this thread.
<< <i>Small Eagle,
I give you credit for not being at all defensive about the grade guesses for your coin. It can be excruciatingly painful to post or see a nice coin posted, then watch and cringe at how the grade guesses compare to the assigned grade. You set a great example with the attitude and conduct you displayed in this thread. >>
I actually think the grade guesses would have been even lower if TDN hadn't chimed in in the 2nd post saying he knew the coin and the photos under-displayed the luster. I figured the average guess would be 64. In person it's another story though...
By the way the first photos are courtesy of Joe O'Connor.
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Nice to finally see this one, nice coin SmallEagle! I'd love to see it in hand. This date is much tougher than pops show because it's first year of issue with the motto. We finally found an MS-63 that we are happy with.
Mark