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Red Copper coins and why I never collected them.

BearBear Posts: 18,953 ✭✭✭
I have always been amazed at the beauty of old copper coins

that have retained their full fiery red color. It just boggles my

mind how coins so old could look so new. I suppose that I did

not really collect these lovely coins for two reasons. The first

being that the red coins were always relatively expensive,

the second, I was always afraid that the red color would turn

and thus I would lose a major portion of their value. Copper is a

most reactive metal and I felt safer with silver coinage. Once a silver

coin forms its original skin oxidation, it tends to remain fairly stable,

unless you place in in raw egg yolks or other such terrible sulfur source.



However, still whenever I see a bright red copper in an older holder and

stable, I still am astounded and enraptured by it all over again.
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  • coinnut86coinnut86 Posts: 1,592 ✭✭✭
    Bear, I'd like to have lunch with you some day; you're an interesting old goat.
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  • << <i> Once a silver coin forms its original skin oxidation, it tends to remain fairly stable,

    unless you place in in raw egg yolks or other such terrible sulfur source.

    However, still whenever I see a bright red copper in an older holder and

    stable, I still am astounded and enraptured by it all over again. >>




    Now you tell me not to store my silver coins in egg yolks!!!

    Where were you when I started doing that 10 years ago?

    Seriously, though, I am with you on the copper.

    I collect copper in RB. In addition to the value issue,

    I don't think I am expert enough to tell totally original Red from

    recently re-made Red 100% of the time.

    However, I picked up a nice Red large cent is a Doily holder not

    too long ago. Obviously stable due to the time in the holder.

    I had a hard time selling it, but I can't keep every cool coin I buy.


    edit: spelling

    merse

  • TrimeTrime Posts: 1,863 ✭✭✭
    Bear,
    My taste in copper has always leaned toward evenly toned Bn. This opinion is not based on angst of previously R coins becoming more oxidized and turning with time (short or long) to RB and the Bn but on esthetics.
    Trime
  • lunytune2lunytune2 Posts: 1,077 ✭✭✭
    my only red coin is certified and in an eagle certified coin album .... and it is turning image
  • JCMhoustonJCMhouston Posts: 5,306 ✭✭✭
    I am in full agreement Bear. I collect a few older coppers and generally stick to RB and BN, even the 19th C. pieces I have listed as RD I only pay RB money for, I too worry about how long they will stay red.
  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 34,850 ✭✭✭✭✭
    OLD Red copper coins are too fragile for me. I once had an 1853 large cent in MS-64, Red. The darn thing made red by chemicals and started to tone soon after I bought it. I learned my lesson. R&B and Brown for me. You can keep the red coins and their high prices.
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  • StuartStuart Posts: 9,831 ✭✭✭✭✭
    << I felt safer with silver coinage. Once a silver coin forms its original skin oxidation, it tends to remain fairly stable... >>

    Bear: In reply to your above quoted post, based on your logic GOLD would be safer to collect than silver, because it is much less reactive. The 90% Gold portion of the alloy is very stable, and one only has to be concerned about the 10% copper portion reacting. image

    Stuart

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  • JustacommemanJustacommeman Posts: 22,852 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Well, I bought my very first red copper pieces last week. How's that for timing? Par for the courseimage

    You know what, I still would have bought them.
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  • lope208lope208 Posts: 1,960 ✭✭
    I don't even trust my RB copper. .image

    I don't have any R copper.

    Looks like I'll keep it that way now.
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  • roadrunnerroadrunner Posts: 28,313 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I've bought my share of choice and gem red copper half cents, large cents and Indian cents over the past 30 years and never had a single piece turn on me. Maybe just lucky.

    I only ever had one silver coin turn on me and that was to be expected as it was pure white when I bought it and I knew its history having been dipped out about 8 years earlier (it was a MS66 1853 na quarter in an ogh). Yeah, and it later upgraded to MS67 after I sold it for a premium. But it did start to turn a rather bland golden brown color after I had it about 2-3 years.

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  • DMWJRDMWJR Posts: 6,046 ✭✭✭✭✭
    No one is being forced to buy red copper, and saying you are too afraid to buy it because it might change color is akin to saying you won't buy a mint state coin because you are afraid you might drop it. Likewise, you can't compare a "doctored" red copper coin with an original red copper coin. That is not a fair comparison.

    Collect what you like and are comfortable collecting.
    Doug


  • << <i>Bear, I'd like to have lunch with you some day; you're an interesting old goat. >>

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  • keetskeets Posts: 25,351 ✭✭✭✭✭
    i have always been skeptical of any copper coins which don't show a trace of oxidation. my opinion tends to be that 19th Century copper retaining its red color has been able to do so as the result of some type of manipulation. to that end, i've always been puzzled by the fact that everyone is in agreement that it isn't natural for silver to stay bright white, yet nobody really speaks up about bright red copper.
  • LanLordLanLord Posts: 11,725 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I don't know this first hand, but have been told that there are "experts" out there than can make copper red so well even the true grading experts can't tell the difference. That's enough to make me concerned, if it wasn't red to me from the mint, that I'm not going out on a limb to spend a lot of moolah for it.
  • kazkaz Posts: 9,280 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I don't dabble in red copper for 2 reasons:1) because I don't want to have to worry about it turning in the holder and losing value. 2) I think the RB and B coppers have much cooler colors!
  • BearBear Posts: 18,953 ✭✭✭
    OLD GOAT.........I resemble that remark!image
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