Why do the 3 legger and 22 no D get so much publicity?

relicsncoins · December 4, 2009 3:11AM

What is your opinion of these coins. My personal opinion is, they are way over priced for what they are; an over polished die that lost part of it's detail.

doh · December 4, 2009 3:13AM

IMHO the 3 Leg is awesome because the bison is missing a leg...it's sort of funny. The 22 "plain" is boring, especially since the majority are terrible looking coins.

commoncents05 · December 4, 2009 3:16AM

I think they are a very interesting variety, and I understand why they are so popular. I think the 22 No D wouldn't get any interest if there were a 1922-P Cent struck. Overpriced? Well, if nobody were buying at current levels, it might be overpriced, but they are holding demand for the most part. It's all supply and demand. Both have backed off in the Greysheet over the last couple months in lower grades.

-Paul

CEOGBOSE · December 4, 2009 3:22AM

I think they're highly discussed and sought after based on the limited availablity and uniqueness.

TomB · December 4, 2009 3:29AM

The three-legged Buff has a great name and a fairly obvious missing leg while the 1922 No-D is an oddity that likely gets quite a bit of play since there were no cents made in Philadelphia that year and it sits within what might be the most popularly collected series in US numismatics. It also helps both pieces that they are not rare and that there are spaces for each die variety in popular collecting books like Dansco and Whitman.

topstuf · December 4, 2009 3:31AM

Gimme a BUGS BUNNY half dollar for pure collector interest and historical significance.

crypto79 · December 4, 2009 3:40AM

I'm with you. I think the 3 leg was just well pushed and not really that big of a deal. While the No D Penney was made major due to a rare gap in production in Philly compounded by the fact there were very few varieties known for Lincolns back in the 60s since there are no major over dates and early doubled dies. Being that there are no real "rare" dates (notice I didn't say key) in one of the most popular series people will find ways to make their set a little bit better then the next. A magic 1922 p 1c piece when none were minted adds up to a halo coin. Halo coins will always be priced along with their peers 09s vdb, 14d based off of the demand. Most old time folders have a hole for 1922 plain and 3 1/2 leg which = demand... got to fill those holes.

coppercoins · December 4, 2009 3:45AM

Both received their fame from being misunderstood. People actually thought the mint forgot to carve the fourth leg into the buffalo nickel, and people actually thought there was a very rare run of cents in Philadelphia in 1922. Both received their fame due to ignorance of the minting process, which was largely a mystery to the typical collector until at least 1980.

Neither of these "varieties" are scarce by occurrence, just that these two were actually noticed. I have a number of early Lincoln cents with nearly invisible mintmarks, and some that I suspect are missing mintmarks - but since they aren't from 1922, nobody cares.

If cents had actually been produced in Philadelphia in 1922, the 1922 'no D' cent would never have become anything worth attention.

MidLifeCrisis · December 4, 2009 3:48AM

<< The three-legged Buff has a great name and a fairly obvious missing leg while the 1922 No-D is an oddity that likely gets quite a bit of play since there were no cents made in Philadelphia that year and it sits within what might be the most popularly collected series in US numismatics. It also helps both pieces that they are not rare and that there are spaces for each die variety in popular collecting books like Dansco and Whitman. >>

I think TomB nailed it.

The 3 Legged Buffalo is one of my favorite coins and I'm sure that comes from when I was a kid. It's an obvious error that makes you say "Oh wow!" the first time you see one.

coolest · December 4, 2009 3:59AM

It has always been hard for me to understand the extreme interest in the 3-leg especially considering how common they are.
Most every dealer has one ore two and they always seem to be going up.
I think there must be many good fakes.

amiller · December 4, 2009 4:03AM

My opinion, the price for the 22 no D is kept high for a similar reason as the S-VDB: There really is more supply than demand, and owners always want to make a profit when they sell, so they are hyped to increase interest and justify their ask prices.

swhuck · December 4, 2009 6:44AM

I'm with the OP on this one. If you like them, then more power to you, but neither of them is going into my collection any time soon.

PrivateCoinCollector · December 4, 2009 7:18AM

<< My opinion, the price for the 22 no D is kept high for a similar reason as the S-VDB: There really is more supply than demand, and owners always want to make a profit when they sell, so they are hyped to increase interest and justify their ask prices. >>

Quite a feat. We should try that with Wayward Journey nickels. How do we do it? I'm ready. let 'er rip. Hype, hype, hype. We rich yet?

BillJones · December 4, 2009 7:27AM

I have bought and sold them and made some nice money from them

, but they are just die states so far as I'm concerned.

19Lyds · December 4, 2009 7:43AM

<< I have bought and sold them and made some nice money from them

, but they are just die states so far as I'm concerned. >>

Ahh Yes.........but die states "With a Name"!

It's all in the name unless your talking "Speared" this or "Speared" that!

BUFFNIXX · December 5, 2009 3:38AM

Since supply and demand determine price, there must be a lot of collectors who like these varieties. If you do not like them then you do not have to inlcude them in your sets of buffalo nickels or lincoln cents since they are after all "just varieties".
buffnixx

Halfhunter06 · December 5, 2009 3:40AM

They are cool Varieties

zap1111 · December 5, 2009 3:44AM

The 22 no D seems to be more common then one would think, actually. I had one to sell/trade with an VF 35 rev, maybe EF 40 at the MOON show in Mpls this past October and the Red Book listing had me thinking that at even 50% of that value, I'd be able to swing a decent deal. Most dealers already had two or three in stock and they weren't moving so there wasn't any interest in my coin. I decided to just hold the coin for a few more years.
zap

illini420 · December 5, 2009 4:01AM

Because the 3-Leg is one of the most popular coins in coin collecting. even non-collectors are likely to know about it. Sort of like the 1909-S VDB and the 1955 doubled die.

The 1922 no D isn't that special to me, I'm sure other dates have "no D" or "no S" examples too, but we just can't prove it since Philadelphia made coins in the other years.

Moldnut · December 5, 2009 5:41AM

<< Because the 3-Leg is one of the most popular coins in coin collecting. even non-collectors are likely to know about it. Sort of like the 1909-S VDB and the 1955 doubled die.

Frankcoins · December 5, 2009 5:49AM

<< My opinion, the price for the 22 no D is kept high for a similar reason as the S-VDB: There really is more supply than demand, and owners always want to make a profit when they sell, so they are hyped to increase interest and justify their ask prices. >>

The 3 leg nickel and 1922 plain cent are two coins that I never had sit in my display case more than a few days before they are sold, often at full retail. Doesn't sound like a case of more supply than demand.

droopyd · December 5, 2009 5:56AM

<< The 22 no D seems to be more common then one would think, actually. >>

Most of these are the "weak reverse" examples (die pairs #1 and #3), in which the die became filled with grease. These die pairs are also responsible for the "weak D" varieties (as well as regular strikes).

The "desired" version is the "strong reverse" example (die pair #2), of which there were an estimated 20,000 struck. This is the version on which the "D" was actually polished off the die (similar to the 3-legger).

drwstr123 · December 5, 2009 6:43AM

No reflection on your post. Droopyd, but I may have polished off a few Ds too.

Why do the 3 legger and 22 no D get so much publicity?

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