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Buyer from outside the USA with unconfirmed address
soty27
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So I had someone buy a coin from me last week. After their purchase I realized they lived in china. I contacted the buyer and let them know that I was sorry but I do not ship outside the country to an unconfirmed address. I cancled the transaction and moved on. This week the same buyer bought a pcgs-cac- carson city morgan. I contacted the seller again and let them know I do not ship outside the country to an unconfirmed address. Here was the response I got from the buyer.
"Hi!
My shipping address is real,
I love you this coin,
Please give me a ship please?
Thanks!
Luo"
I am not going to ship the coin and I will cancle this transaction just like the last one but I was wondering, is there anyone here that would ship the coin? Oh and another thing all their feedback is private.
"Hi!
My shipping address is real,
I love you this coin,
Please give me a ship please?
Thanks!
Luo"
I am not going to ship the coin and I will cancle this transaction just like the last one but I was wondering, is there anyone here that would ship the coin? Oh and another thing all their feedback is private.
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Before long the counterfeiters will join here for pointers.
Would I ship? If it was payment mailed to me in US funds (no funny money orders, no paypal, etc) and included any and all shipping fees/tariffs (if there are any).
Was the price realized what you expected? Was it low?
I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment
Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
<< <i>Good grief. I suppose all the coin doctors in the US are Chinese as well? MJ >>
No one said that, but you cant act like nothings going on over there either.
This reminded of something my wife once said.
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<< <i>Sorry, but I won't condemn a whole country, with some authentic collectors, just because of the counterfeiting.
Would I ship? If it was payment mailed to me in US funds (no funny money orders, no paypal, etc) and included any and all shipping fees/tariffs (if there are any).
Was the price realized what you expected? Was it low? >>
The coin was a buy it now. I would have no issues shipping regardless of where but I have parameters that need to be met, one is that it be a confirmed address, another is the ability to see feedback.
<< <i><<Hell no, more than likely hes buying it so he can counterfeit it. >>
Before long the counterfeiters will join here for pointers. >>
There are probably easier/more convenient/less conspicuous ways to obtain coins for counterfeiting purposes. I don't know how you guys can read the mind of a buyer like that.
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It appears that there is tacit approval of discriminatory selling practices. That is unacceptable.
Can't see feedback information? That's a legitimate reason to cancel a sale. No permanent shipping address? Another legitimate reason. Sure there is a counterfeiting problem with origins in China, but to refusing to sell to a Chinese buyer because just because they are Chinese is an act of prejudice. If the EBay member has a history of fraud or selling counterfeit coins, that is another matter that needs to be dealt with. But to refuse a sale based on negative preconcieved notions regarding an entire nationality is wrong.
Judging by the sentiments I see here I wonder how many forum members would refuse to sell me coins based on their asinine prejudgements?
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<< <i>I wonder if a buyer from Europe who was involved in the same scenario would face the same scutiny?
It appears that many of the responders here approve of discriminatory selling practices. That is unacceptable.
Sure there is a counterfeiting problem with origins in China, but to refusing to sell to a Chinese buyer because he is Chinese is an act of prejudice. If the EBay member has a history of fraud or selling counterfeit coins, that is another matter that needs to be dealt with. But to refuse a sale based on preconcieved notions is wrong.
Judging by the sentiments I see here I wonder how many forum members would refuse to sell me coins based on their asinine prejudgements? >>
This mentality is exactly why this countries going under. No ones discriminating against chinese people, he lives in china, counterfeit capital of the world, I have no problem with selling to a Chinese person in the US
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This mentality is exactly why this countries going under. No ones discriminating against chinese people, he lives in china, counterfeit capital of the world, I have no problem with selling to a Chinese person in the US >>
So there are absolutely no legitimate collectors of U.S. coins living in China? I doubt it.
The statement quoted above is evidence of why certain demographics remain stagnant in the process of the advancement of intelligence.
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This mentality is exactly why this countries going under. No ones discriminating against chinese people, he lives in china, counterfeit capital of the world, I have no problem with selling to a Chinese person in the US >>
Your logic is tragically flawed. MJ
Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
Then we can be spared these threads that blame whole countries for the actions of some crooks.
bob
PS: you can eliminate overseas buyers in your Ebay preferences.
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bob
PS: you can eliminate overseas buyers in your Ebay preferences. >>
This is going to get nasty really soon.
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This mentality is exactly why this countries going under. No ones discriminating against chinese people, he lives in china, counterfeit capital of the world, I have no problem with selling to a Chinese person in the US >>
So there are absolutely no legitimate collectors of U.S. coins living in China? I doubt it.
The statement quoted above is evidence of why certain demographics remain stagnant in the process of the advancement of intelligence. >>
advancement of intelligent? Maybe reread your post and look in the mirror, your playing dumb to the fact that counterfeiters are mainly from china. Its people like you that throw the race card everytime someone gives an opinion. Its CHINA, 99% CHINESE people live there, no ones discriminating against anyone.
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bob
PS: you can eliminate overseas buyers in your Ebay preferences. >>
This is going to get nasty really soon. >>
Mike, you think otherwise??? How many red flags do you need??? I don't give a carp about whether some Chinese fella owns
a CC dollar or not. Heck, that country is loaded with CC dollars (mostly trades). It would be just plain stupid to complete a sale
like that. The OP is wise to cancel. And WTCG, if the buyer was from Germany would your response be the same??? I think that
you are making it a personal issue. It would be crazy to sell to anyone (oh, pickup with cash might be ok) with no history or
confirmed address. I said nothing negative about the country or the citizen. The OP is talking about this one individual trying to
buy more than one auction from him. Huge risk of your hard earned dollars in my opinion.
bob
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bob
PS: you can eliminate overseas buyers in your Ebay preferences. >>
This is going to get nasty really soon. >>
Mike, you think otherwise??? How many red flags do you need??? I don't give a carp about whether some Chinese fella owns
a CC dollar or not. Heck, that country is loaded with CC dollars (mostly trades). It would be just plain stupid to complete a sale
like that. The OP is wise to cancel. And WTCG, if the buyer was from Germany would your response be the same??? I think that
you are making it a personal issue. It would be crazy to sell to anyone (oh, pickup with cash might be ok) with no history or
confirmed address. I said nothing negative about the country or the citizen. The OP is talking about this one individual trying to
buy more than one auction from him. Huge risk of your hard earned dollars in my opinion.
bob >>
no, but your short and terse response makes you sound like an idiot.
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bob
PS: you can eliminate overseas buyers in your Ebay preferences. >>
This is going to get nasty really soon. >>
Mike, you think otherwise??? How many red flags do you need??? I don't give a carp about whether some Chinese fella owns
a CC dollar or not. Heck, that country is loaded with CC dollars (mostly trades). It would be just plain stupid to complete a sale
like that. The OP is wise to cancel. And WTCG, if the buyer was from Germany would your response be the same??? I think that
you are making it a personal issue. It would be crazy to sell to anyone (oh, pickup with cash might be ok) with no history or
confirmed address. I said nothing negative about the country or the citizen. The OP is talking about this one individual trying to
buy more than one auction from him. Huge risk of your hard earned dollars in my opinion.
bob >>
exactly, theres a few people in this thread that lack rational though process and common sense. just because Chinese people come from china, doesnt mean we are descriminating against them. It is a KNOWN FACT that china counterfeits most of the coins we see on the market.
<< <i>You need to set your selling preference before you list on eBay or go ahead and complete the deal you left the door open.
no confirmed address = voided contract, read ebay policy.
advancement of intelligent? Maybe reread your post and look in the mirror, your playing dumb to the fact that counterfeiters are mainly from china. Its people like you that throw the race card everytime someone gives an opinion.
No one said that, but you cant act like nothings going on over there either.
This mentality is exactly why this countries going under. No ones discriminating against chinese people, he lives in china, counterfeit capital of the world, I have no problem with selling to a Chinese person in the US
exactly, theres a few people in this thread that lack rational though process and common sense. just because Chinese people come from china, doesnt mean we are descriminating against them. It is a KNOWN FACT that china counterfeits most of the coins we see on the market.
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Those quotes above are excerpts from your previous posts. Just a friendly reminder...chronic grammar errors don't positively vouch for your self-proclaimed intelligence.
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advancement of intelligent? Maybe reread your post and look in the mirror, your playing dumb to the fact that counterfeiters are mainly from china. Its people like you that throw the race card everytime someone gives an opinion.
No one said that, but you cant act like nothings going on over there either.
This mentality is exactly why this countries going under. No ones discriminating against chinese people, he lives in china, counterfeit capital of the world, I have no problem with selling to a Chinese person in the US
exactly, theres a few people in this thread that lack rational though process and common sense. just because Chinese people come from china, doesnt mean we are descriminating against them. It is a KNOWN FACT that china counterfeits most of the coins we see on the market.
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Those quotes above are excerpts from your previous posts. Just a friendly reminder...chronic grammar errors don't positively vouch for your self-proclaimed intelligence. >>
Right, didn't we were in a spelling bee. Still doesnt change the fact you lack common sense, now go throw some useless temper tantrum somewhere else because you have no clue what your typing.
Mike, you think otherwise??? How many red flags do you need??? I don't give a carp about whether some Chinese fella owns
a CC dollar or not. Heck, that country is loaded with CC dollars (mostly trades). It would be just plain stupid to complete a sale
like that. The OP is wise to cancel. And WTCG, if the buyer was from Germany would your response be the same??? I think that
you are making it a personal issue. It would be crazy to sell to anyone (oh, pickup with cash might be ok) with no history or
confirmed address. I said nothing negative about the country or the citizen. The OP is talking about this one individual trying to
buy more than one auction from him. Huge risk of your hard earned dollars in my opinion.
bob >>
Did you read my first response in its entirety? It answers some of the questions you brought up.
If the buyer in question was from any other country, including Germany, my response would be the same. In certain ways this affair holds a personal touch because just makes me uncomfortable that there are people who would publcly refuse to sell me coins because of my ethnic appearance.
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advancement of intelligent? Maybe reread your post and look in the mirror, your playing dumb to the fact that counterfeiters are mainly from china. Its people like you that throw the race card everytime someone gives an opinion.
No one said that, but you cant act like nothings going on over there either.
This mentality is exactly why this countries going under. No ones discriminating against chinese people, he lives in china, counterfeit capital of the world, I have no problem with selling to a Chinese person in the US
exactly, theres a few people in this thread that lack rational though process and common sense. just because Chinese people come from china, doesnt mean we are descriminating against them. It is a KNOWN FACT that china counterfeits most of the coins we see on the market.
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Those quotes above are excerpts from your previous posts. Just a friendly reminder...chronic grammar errors don't positively vouch for your self-proclaimed intelligence. >>
Right, didn't we were in a spelling bee. Still doesnt change the fact you lack common sense ] >>
Really? A lot of forum members seem to think favorably of my common sense. Just ask around and you'll know.
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Mike, you think otherwise??? How many red flags do you need??? I don't give a carp about whether some Chinese fella owns
a CC dollar or not. Heck, that country is loaded with CC dollars (mostly trades). It would be just plain stupid to complete a sale
like that. The OP is wise to cancel. And WTCG, if the buyer was from Germany would your response be the same??? I think that
you are making it a personal issue. It would be crazy to sell to anyone (oh, pickup with cash might be ok) with no history or
confirmed address. I said nothing negative about the country or the citizen. The OP is talking about this one individual trying to
buy more than one auction from him. Huge risk of your hard earned dollars in my opinion.
bob >>
Did you read my first response in its entirety? It answers some of the questions you brought up.
If the buyer in question was from any other country, including Germany, my response would be the same. In certain ways this affair holds a personal touch because just makes me uncomfortable that there are people who would publcly refuse to sell me coins because of my ethnic appearance. >>
Please leave this website immediately, you are possibly one of the dumbest people i have ever seen, really you take the cake for these idiotic responses.
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advancement of intelligent? Maybe reread your post and look in the mirror, your playing dumb to the fact that counterfeiters are mainly from china. Its people like you that throw the race card everytime someone gives an opinion.
No one said that, but you cant act like nothings going on over there either.
This mentality is exactly why this countries going under. No ones discriminating against chinese people, he lives in china, counterfeit capital of the world, I have no problem with selling to a Chinese person in the US
exactly, theres a few people in this thread that lack rational though process and common sense. just because Chinese people come from china, doesnt mean we are descriminating against them. It is a KNOWN FACT that china counterfeits most of the coins we see on the market.
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Those quotes above are excerpts from your previous posts. Just a friendly reminder...chronic grammar errors don't positively vouch for your self-proclaimed intelligence. >>
Right, didn't we were in a spelling bee. Still doesnt change the fact you lack common sense ] >>
Really? A lot of forum members seem to think favorably of my common sense. Just ask around and you'll know. >>
Wow this sums it up! I didnt know ones achievements required a recurring fan base! Bravo, you just made my night.
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Mike, you think otherwise??? How many red flags do you need??? I don't give a carp about whether some Chinese fella owns
a CC dollar or not. Heck, that country is loaded with CC dollars (mostly trades). It would be just plain stupid to complete a sale
like that. The OP is wise to cancel. And WTCG, if the buyer was from Germany would your response be the same??? I think that
you are making it a personal issue. It would be crazy to sell to anyone (oh, pickup with cash might be ok) with no history or
confirmed address. I said nothing negative about the country or the citizen. The OP is talking about this one individual trying to
buy more than one auction from him. Huge risk of your hard earned dollars in my opinion.
bob >>
Did you read my first response in its entirety? It answers some of the questions you brought up.
If the buyer in question was from any other country, including Germany, my response would be the same. In certain ways this affair holds a personal touch because just makes me uncomfortable that there are people who would publcly refuse to sell me coins because of my ethnic appearance. >>
Please leave this website immediately, you are possibly one of the dumbest people i have ever seen, really you take the cake for these idiotic responses.
I guess you're outta luck 'cause I ain't gonna do that. However I do implore you to ask around about my usefulness, and perhaps you'll learn something for a change.
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Mike, you think otherwise??? How many red flags do you need??? I don't give a carp about whether some Chinese fella owns
a CC dollar or not. Heck, that country is loaded with CC dollars (mostly trades). It would be just plain stupid to complete a sale
like that. The OP is wise to cancel. And WTCG, if the buyer was from Germany would your response be the same??? I think that
you are making it a personal issue. It would be crazy to sell to anyone (oh, pickup with cash might be ok) with no history or
confirmed address. I said nothing negative about the country or the citizen. The OP is talking about this one individual trying to
buy more than one auction from him. Huge risk of your hard earned dollars in my opinion.
bob >>
Did you read my first response in its entirety? It answers some of the questions you brought up.
If the buyer in question was from any other country, including Germany, my response would be the same. In certain ways this affair holds a personal touch because just makes me uncomfortable that there are people who would publcly refuse to sell me coins because of my ethnic appearance. >>
Please leave this website immediately, you are possibly one of the dumbest people i have ever seen, really you take the cake for these idiotic responses.
I guess you're outta luck 'cause I ain't gonna do that. However I do implore you to ask around about my usefulness, so take care. >>
Sorry, but i dont need to ask other people to know what kind of person you are, i can tell myself.
I have in the past sold items that shipped internationally. Some to China. Have not had a problem. Was sure to receive payment first, then ship. Everything worked out fine.
Thus far I've been scammed once and that was by some a-hole in Ohio (claimed unauthorized access to his account or something and paypal yanked the funds from my account and gave them back to the buyer). Oh well, live and learn.
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Sorry, but i dont need to ask other people to know what kind of person you are, i can tell myself. >>
I disagree because if I were you I'd look forward to learning from others since your judgement is one huge letdown.
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1. Would I sell to the person? Yes. If I am concerned about an unconfirmed address, I may request other methods of payments if I am suspicious.
2. I am not certain the all countries have confirmed addresses. China may be one of these countries.
3. Bad grammar is no excuse to prevent a transaction.
The only thing that worries me is the private feedback, but other than that, there is nothing to be concerned about. I honestly do not care what happens to the coin once I get paid well and it ships out the door. If they want to return the coin, that's fine. If they have a problem with the transaction, I'll handle it.
Speaking of which, would you send the coin if the buyer were from Australia with a confirmed address?
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Sorry, but i dont need to ask other people to know what kind of person you are, i can tell myself. >>
I disagree because if I were you I'd look forward to learning from others since your judgement is one huge letdown. >>
with your track record, doesn't really bother me what you think. I don't throw a hissy fit when someone challenges me
So what exactly is my "track record"? Let's see some evidence.
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Sorry, but i dont need to ask other people to know what kind of person you are, i can tell myself. >>
I disagree because if I were you I'd look forward to learning from others since your judgement is one huge letdown. >>
with your track record, doesnt really bother me what you think.
So what exactly is my "track record"? Let's see some evidence. >>
rather than clutter up his thread anymore, since soty is a good friend of mine, ill let you figure it out on your own.
I've sold a few coins to Soty and I've been aquainted with his wife and him, so I would really love to know about all those skeletons I've been hiding. Here's your opportunity to enlighten me.
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Maybe you could write back using the same dialect with:
I love you this coin doesn't though. . Be happy enjoy wanting.
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1. Would I sell to the person? Yes. If I am concerned about an unconfirmed address, I may request other methods of payments if I am suspicious.
2. I am not certain the all countries have confirmed addresses. China may be one of these countries.
3. Bad grammar is no excuse to prevent a transaction.
The only thing that worries me is the private feedback, but other than that, there is nothing to be concerned about. I honestly do not care what happens to the coin once I get paid well and it ships out the door. If they want to return the coin, that's fine. If they have a problem with the transaction, I'll handle it.
Speaking of which, would you send the coin if the buyer were from Australia with a confirmed address? >>
As previously stated I could care less who lives where there are simple parameters I use in order to ship coins.
1. Confirmed address- without a confirmed address you have 0 seller protection and anyone can simply say they did not recieve the item and paypal will refund the $$
2. I must be able to see feedback when shipping outside the country, I have no way to track packages that leave the US so I have to rely on feedback as some sort of way to gauge the buyer.
3. I could care less about grammar although it generally helps when communicating.
4. I care what happens to the coin after I ship it especially when paypal is involved, anywhere outside the US you cant track the coins so there is no way to prove delivery.
<< <i>rather than clutter up his thread anymore, since soty is a good friend of mine, ill let you figure it out on your own. >>
<< <i>So in the very unlikely event you're an alternate ID of Soty27...
I've sold a few coins to Soty and I've been aquainted with his wife and him, so I would really love to know about all those skeletons I've been hiding. Here's your opportunity to enlighten me. >>
Whoa lets all calm down here, No I do not have an alt ID on this board. I have purchased from you wtcg as well as Marauderrt, I was simply asking if others would ship outside the country with an unconfirmed address-- thats all. It worries me to ship outside the country to an unconfirmed address so I simply choose not to, I have only ever had two purchases made from outside the US and both were from this same buyer with private feedback and an unconfirmed address.
<< <i>rather than clutter up his thread anymore, since soty is a good friend of mine, ill let you figure it out on your own. >>
So in the very unlikely event you're an alternate ID of Soty27...
I've sold a few coins to Soty and I've been aquainted with his wife and him, so I would really love to know about all those skeletons I've been hiding. Here's your opportunity to enlighten me. >>
i can assure you im not Soty27, why would you even think that? Seems a little odd you would accuse your so called friend of doing that.
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<< <i>rather than clutter up his thread anymore, since soty is a good friend of mine, ill let you figure it out on your own. >>
So in the very unlikely event you're an alternate ID of Soty27...
I've sold a few coins to Soty and I've been aquainted with his wife and him, so I would really love to know about all those skeletons I've been hiding. Here's your opportunity to enlighten me. >>
i can assure you im not Soty27, why would you even think that? >>
I know now you're not Soty27 since he actually has some class.
I'm still waiting for all that juicy stuff you have on me...
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<< <i>rather than clutter up his thread anymore, since soty is a good friend of mine, ill let you figure it out on your own. >>
So in the very unlikely event you're an alternate ID of Soty27...
I've sold a few coins to Soty and I've been aquainted with his wife and him, so I would really love to know about all those skeletons I've been hiding. Here's your opportunity to enlighten me. >>
i can assure you im not Soty27, why would you even think that? >>
I know now you're not Soty27 since he actually has some class.
I'm still waiting for all that juicy stuff you have on me... >>
with respect for my friends, unlike you, i will pass. By all means continue, because im just going to ignore you.
That said, I did have a guy send me some messages on one of my recent listings saying he was from France and wanted to bid on one of my auctions. He told me he'd pay the acutal shipping charge and seemed really excited so I gave him the go ahead to bid. He didn't end up bidding high enough though so I was still spared in learning how to mail something out of the country
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<< <i>I quit reading the thread about halfway through, but while I'm sure there are plenty of legit collectors outside of the US and plenty of bad seeds within the US, I have my eBay account set up to where I'm not accepting any bids from outside the US. I don't sell enough on eBay and I'm just not willing to figure out how to collect payment from and ship to folks outside of the US in a way that protects my cash from a scammer.
That said, I did have a guy send me some messages on one of my recent listings saying he was from France and wanted to bid on one of my auctions. He told me he'd pay the acutal shipping charge and seemed really excited so I gave him the go ahead to bid. He didn't end up bidding high enough though so I was still spared in learning how to mail something out of the country
good for you! Customs is a major hassle.
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good for you! Customs is a major hastle. >>
Oh no...another grammar error! When will it stop?
You aren't gonna run away now are you, young chap?
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