Is this a genuine pcgs holder?

jt88 · November 25, 2009 1:50PM

Is this coin genuine? Thanks for the help.

coinkid855 · November 25, 2009 1:53PM

Looks bogus to me.

-Paul

Edited to add this link.

segoja · November 25, 2009 1:55PM

Why?

MidLifeCrisis · November 25, 2009 1:55PM

Cert Verification
According to the PCGS Certification Database, the requested certification number is defined as the following:

COIN INFORMATION
Cert Verification #: 13363881
PCGS Coin #: 115780
Date, mintmark: (1928)
Denomination: $1
Variety: Auto
Minor Variety:
Mint Error:
Pedigree:
Country: China-Kweichow
Grade: XF40

tightbudget · November 25, 2009 1:59PM

The font on the holder looks off to me.

coinkid855 · November 25, 2009 2:03PM

<< Cert Verification
According to the PCGS Certification Database, the requested certification number is defined as the following:

COIN INFORMATION
Cert Verification #: 13363881
PCGS Coin #: 115780
Date, mintmark: (1928)
Denomination: $1
Variety: Auto
Minor Variety:
Mint Error:
Pedigree:
Country: China-Kweichow
Grade: XF40 >>

That doesn't mean anything. The counterfeiters would use genuine cert numbers.

I'm not positive it's fake it just looks off and has the diagnostics of a fake slab.

-Paul

MidLifeCrisis · November 25, 2009 2:08PM

<< The counterfeiters would use genuine cert numbers. >>

How would they do that?

rockdude · November 25, 2009 2:12PM

same info as above

airplanenut · November 25, 2009 2:14PM

<< 

<< The counterfeiters would use genuine cert numbers. >>

How would they do that? >>

Find a picture online and copy the number. I can't quite see on my screen, but it looks like there's some extra plastic on the border of the slab where there are normally just small nibs at the corner to help the slabs stack.

mkman123 · November 25, 2009 2:21PM

avoid any chinese coins.

coinkid855 · November 25, 2009 2:21PM

<< avoid any chinese coins. >>

Exactly.

-Paul

jt88 · November 25, 2009 2:46PM

Paul, Thanks for the link.

rockdude · November 25, 2009 2:49PM

Here's a slab that has been marked by the Chinese counterfeiter to show the diagnostics that distinguish a fake PCGS holder from a genuine PCGS holder.

coinkid855 · November 25, 2009 2:50PM

<< Paul, Thanks for the link. >>

You're quite welcome! It's an awesome resource.

-Paul

Boom · November 25, 2009 2:52PM

The picture certainly looks screwy!

The holographic effect is non-existent.

Either a fake, a really horrible scan or shot thru a sheet
or something as some type of filter.

I wouldn't risk it if it were me, FWIW.

sinin1 · November 25, 2009 3:00PM

I would be reluctant to send $1600 to Japan to a low feedback seller that has been on eBay for less than 2 months

slab photo looks distorted - edges not straight

do not see anything on slab from photo that screams bogus slab
or coin (although maybe should be 35 or 30?)

Kurt4 · November 25, 2009 3:18PM

This coin is heavily counterfeited. I would only buy from a trusted world coin dealer for this type of coin. For $1600 (if that's the price) I would not take the chance.

InternetJunky · November 25, 2009 3:38PM

I think a dead giveaway is the date has parentheses around it. Unless this is something they just do on foreign coins that are graded. I personally don't have any slabs with the date in parentheses.

coinkid855 · November 25, 2009 3:39PM

<< I think a dead giveaway is the date has parenthesis around it. Unless this is something they just do on foreign coins that are graded. I personally don't have any slabs with date in parenthesis. >>

That's something they do when the date isn't clearly on the coin, but the date is known.

-Paul

InternetJunky · November 25, 2009 3:41PM

<< 

<< I think a dead giveaway is the date has parenthesis around it. Unless this is something they just do on foreign coins that are graded. I personally don't have any slabs with date in parenthesis. >>

That's something they do when the date isn't clearly on the coin, but the date is known.

-Paul >>

Ahhh that explains it. Thanks.

jt88 · November 25, 2009 3:43PM

<< 

<< I think a dead giveaway is the date has parenthesis around it. Unless this is something they just do on foreign coins that are graded. I personally don't have any slabs with date in parenthesis. >>

That's something they do when the date isn't clearly on the coin, but the date is known.

-Paul >>

I agree with Paul, both PCGS and NGC do that.

jt88 · November 25, 2009 3:48PM

This is PCGS AU58 sold for $14,950 at HA.

http://coins.ha.com/common/view_item.php?Sale_No=3004&Lot_No=20576#photo

Is this a genuine pcgs holder?

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