<< <i>I don't hate Steve.....I value him and the service he does....I don't believe he is the be all that ends all though...because I have unopened product, and it didn't come from him, my product is inferior is the most absurd thing I have ever heard of.....once I sell it to him, and he gets his markup it is suddenly golden......I am not posting anymore on this post.......I never slammed Steve...but I didn't deserve to get my stuff slammed either.....it's gotta come from somewhere..... >>
You are not understanding that Steve has more knowledge about unopened material than probably all of us combined. I've talked with him many times and he knows what a searched boxes looks like - he knows all the patterns - So yes he does sell a better product than you do. You pay more for his industry knowledge and if he is wrong he stands behind the things he sells 110%
I would never, ever, ever, ever buy any wax from anyone other than Steve Hart at BBCE. Period. I'm so extreme in this decision, that I even exclusively buy my candles from him!
Seriously though, this has been debated so many times over, it's not even worth the argument. If you like playing the lottery, buy your "unopened" wax from ebay.
I personally wouldn't buy unopened from Steve Hart or Steve Garvey or Steve Austin or Steve McQueen or Steve Avery or Steve Stone or even Steve Sax. It's such a losing proposition. Although, Steve Hart does seem to be the expert in his field. I will also say that I heard from a top PSA dealer that Mastro was the top dog---integrity and all------and look where that statement is right now. Be very cautious with whomever you buy from. Don't buy unopened until you're an expert yourself. In essence, is everyone saying they don't know what's unopened or not. Myself, I just wouldn't play that game.
I once sold Steve Hart two 1970 baseball gai 9 series 6 wax packs (beautiful packs). When they arrived to Steve the gum had caused a 1/2 inch tear in the wrapper during shipping. I told Steve to take $50 of our agreed upon price because of the tear. He said don't worry about it. I then insisted that he send me $50 less and he finally acquiesced.
Three days later a check arrived including the $50. Need I say more!!!
"You tell 'em I'm coming...and hell's coming with me"--Wyatt Earp
Steve is a standup honest guy. He has recently sold several thousand $$$$ of my '55 AA's and he has some of my PSA graded unopened AA cello packs for sale. He did authenticate them for PSA as well. I have been dealing with him and Rick and they are both trustworthy and honest, and they rightfully dominate the unopened market. Buying unopened from them is not a crapshoot. No way. I recently purchased three '86 Fleer hoops wax packs and pulled three Jordans. That is the truth.
FYI - the new JAN 2010 SMR is avail. online and you can read the article about me, and the dealer alluded to in the article is BBCX. Check it out:
I really enjoyed that article....incredible find. Much better then the story that got the cover...which felt more like a commercial for Paloger then it did an article about the Horror of Horror cards.
Collecting PSA graded Steve Young, Marcus Allen, Bret Saberhagen and 1980s Topps Cards. Raw: Tony Gonzalez (low #'d cards, and especially 1/1's) and Steve Young.
As for BBCE, not only is their product and customer service outstanding, Steve and Rick are stand-up guys who really know their stuff. Great guys to talk to at a showor on the phone, no matter if you are looking at a 91 hoops box or a 77FB wax box, they will take the time to answer your questions.
I've bought dozens of boxes and packs from BBCE. Never a problem. Never any tampering.
-Probably the most honest people in the wax business. It's funny, if you're straight up and honest, you dominate the wax business. If you're less than straight up and honest, you get relegated into being in the "other" category. Doesn't mean you won't buy from them (there are other honest wax sellers), but it means you'll think twice.
-I've had pretty good luck with random ebay sellers. Relatively low dollar packs (like 88 fleer basketball or 84/85 opc hockey). Just check the feedback to see if they've successfully sold packs in the past. But I wouldn't buy a 54 bowman box with zero feedback from a random guy in central pennsylvania
Its good to see Steve with positive word of mouth. At one time he had *perfect* feedback on ebay. Like 10,000 positives with no negatives. Pretty incredible considering how random vending boxes, wax, singles and sets can be. That was an amazing achievement.
<< <i>Actually...that is not true at all....I was asking $325-$350 per box.......I believe Hart sells these for $400+ . . . You were being difficult.....I refuse to give my product away just because I am not Steve Hart.......If I sell to him, and he sells to you, that benefits only him...... Irregardless, my product is good, and NO I AM NOT BBCE!!! >>
Ok Bobby, since you are disputing what really happened, here are our 11 PMs we exchanged starting with your UNSOLICITED offer: (go through your PM list and tell me if the following is accurate)
PM #1 From Bobby:
Date Posted: Aug/31/2009 9:53 PM I have 3 factory sealed 1988 Fleer Wax basketball boxes if interested.....
PM # 2 from me:
Date Posted: Aug/31/2009 10:27 PM What do you mean by "factory sealed"?
And whats the price?
PM # 3 from bobby:
Date Posted: Sep/01/2009 8:17 AM Sorry...my wording was incorrect.....I meant they are brand new, unsearched packs.....there is no seal on the outermost box.....
PM #4 from me:
Date Posted: Sep/01/2009 8:24 AM Whats your price?
PM #5 from bobby:
Date Posted: Sep/01/2009 8:40 AM I don't even know what to charge.....I KNOW THE bbce HAS A buy PRICE of $350.....is $400 fair? I think that averages to around $11 a pack.....
PM #6 from me:
Date Posted: Sep/01/2009 8:47 AM I bought my box from BBCE for about $425, but I paid the premium because they are the world's best sellers of this stuff. Since I dont know you, I'd be comfortable paying just $300. If BBCE is buying at $350/box, thats going to be your best bet. Good luck with sales.
PM #7 from bobby:
Date Posted: Sep/01/2009 8:53 AM Yes...I can't sell it to you for $300 per box because the BBCE is currently paying $350.....I can sell it to them and make $300 more.....would it make you feel more comfortable if I show you the invoice from Huggins & Scott Auction where I purchased them and a link to the last auction where I bought them? I might would go as cheap as $375......but as far as selling it cheaper than what BBCE is paying, I simply can not do that.......
PM #8 from me:
Date Posted: Sep/01/2009 8:59 AM I completely understand your point. However, I more than 110% trust BBCE to sell me a legit product every time, and therefore im willing to pay them top dollar. I dont know bobbyw8469.....I never even heard of bobbyw8469, and furthermore, I didnt even ask bobbyw8469 if he had these boxes for sale. Bobbyw8469 messaged ME about these boxes!
You probably did get them from the Huggins auction. But 2 factors remain. Who owned them before you and do you know they didnt search them?
Factor #2: How can I trust with 110% certainty (like I do with BBCE), that YOU havent searched them?
Sell them to BBCE.
PM #9 from bobby:
Date Posted: Sep/01/2009 9:01 AM I dont search packs...that just aint my thing....I am an honest sports meorabilia seller....I have two selling ID's on Ebay.....wandw-auctions & tarheeltreasurehunt............I have had NUMEROUS good trades.........I am taking your rants as an insult to my integrity........I don't mind selling to Steve at the BBCE....as a matter of fact, I am calling him right now........just trying to give you a deal.......
PM #10 from me:
Date Posted: Sep/01/2009 9:07 AM Having 2 seperate ebay seller accounts automatically raises red flags with me. Why do you need 2? Sell them to Steve, and then i'll go buy them from him. I dont know YOU....but I do know Steve.
You arent giving me any type of "deal" if the boxes arent legit. I pay top dollar from respected sellers. I pay bottom dollar from strangers. BBCE is a top seller, you are nobody.
Now....if YOU were going to buy an expensive box of cards.......answer this honestly:
Would you rather pay $375 for a box that MIGHT be legit? Or spend an extra $50 on a box that you KNOW is legit?
See my point now kid?
PM #11 from bobby:
Date Posted: Sep/01/2009 9:52 AM I am not a kid. I am a 40 year old man who has no interest in ripping people off......I am "old school" you can say.....I subscribe to the golden rule....."Do unto others as you would have them do unto you".......I was just trying to help you out......as far as having two ID's....one is mine that I have had since 2000....with over 5,000 feedbacks.....the 2nd is my girlfriend and I together as a joint venture. We get enjoyment out of going to auctions/yard sales and putting stuff on Ebay.....nothing unusual about that at all......
THE END OF PM'S
I'd like you to pay close attention to 3 things. First, you PM me out of the blue, I have no clue who you are and you want to sell me vintage wax that I never even asked for. Secondly, take a close look at PM #6. This is where I decline your offer AND wish you luck with your sales. This is where it should have ended, but oh my bobby, dearest bobby, you couldnt let it go at that point. Thirdly, look at PM #7 and #8. You again counteroffer to me after I was clear on my position, and I again respond politely by telling you exactly why I dont want YOUR boxes at YOUR asking price. But again, this is not satisfactory for you and you wish to continue "justifying" your price. Some folks just cant accept rejection I guess, and when they do get rejected, they post in this thread a bunch of lies and exagerrations. I simply didnt want your boxes at your asking prices bobby. Now is any of the post above inaccurate in any way, shape or form? >>
After this outburst of posting PMs, I gotta side with Bobby. How would have you reacted if he offered them for $275/ea? You would of been happy he sent you the PM.
On a side note, if ANYONE has anything I am collecting PLEASE PM me! I can always reject your offer and ignore any further PMS. I promise not to post our personal meaasges on a public message board.
<< <i>Awesome article!!! Not sure which one you were in the article - were you the one who offered $350 large? >>
The article was about me. I was the (probable) idiot who turned down the offer!
The person who offered the $$$cash$$$ - well, I can just say he is a pretty high up dude in sport's biggest organization who collects unopened stuff - care to take a guess?
<< <i>I recently purchased some 78 BB wax from him. The cards were awesome. Some PSA 9 candidates for sure. The wrappers were hit and miss but the cards inside were damn near perfect. BBCE = >>
I purchased the same in July of last year and got several 10's.
White Whales: 1996 Select Certified Mirror Gold Ozzie Smith 2006 Bowman Chrome Orange Refractor Chris Carpenter
<< <i>I don't hate Steve.....I value him and the service he does....I don't believe he is the be all that ends all though...because I have unopened product, and it didn't come from him, my product is inferior is the most absurd thing I have ever heard of.....once I sell it to him, and he gets his markup it is suddenly golden......I am not posting anymore on this post.......I never slammed Steve...but I didn't deserve to get my stuff slammed either.....it's gotta come from somewhere..... >>
i don't think anyone is saying your product is inferior.. its your track record that is inferior.. when buying unopened wax.. someone with a good rep and track record could easily charge a premium for the gurantee that the product is unsearched.. i could offer a box of 86 fleer for 5k... but since no one knows who the heck i am and i have no track record.. i would prob have a tough time finding a buyer. Steve has sold boxes of that before and i think 4 jordans were pulled. that bought my trust.. if you really want to sell unopened product.. perhaps you bite the bullet on the first box or two.. chalk it up to advertising expence. as you develope a positive track record.. your prices can increase.
<< <i>The article was about me. I was the (probable) idiot who turned down the offer!
The person who offered the $$$cash$$$ - well, I can just say he is a pretty high up dude in sport's biggest organization who collects unopened stuff - care to take a guess? >>
Does said dude have a brand new trophy to go with 26 others?
<< <i>If someone bought that box from Steve and opened all the packs and did not get ANY Jordans I'm confident Steve would not only refund his money w/o any questions but also let him keep the other cards. Bobby would you do the same? That is why people are willing to pay a premium for Steve's stuff. John >>
John, I dont buy unopened material so I have never dealt with Steve. I also do not collect Basketball so I am not educated on the Jordan to box ratio for this set. I would be very shocked to hear of ANYONE who would stand behind what a box contained. Is it possible to not get a Jordan in a unsearched box? If I was to buy a box of 84 Donruss Baseball from Steve, and I did not pull a Mattingly, I would not expect a refund nor would I request one.
<< <i>John, I dont buy unopened material so I have never dealt with Steve. I also do not collect Basketball so I am not educated on the Jordan to box ratio for this set. I would be very shocked to hear of ANYONE who would stand behind what a box contained. Is it possible to not get a Jordan in a unsearched box? If I was to buy a box of 84 Donruss Baseball from Steve, and I did not pull a Mattingly, I would not expect a refund nor would I request one. >>
Slight difference - 1. only 132 cards in the '86 Fleer set (not including stickers) - One card of each player is almost a given 2. '86 Fleer have a particular sequence and since you can see the top and back card, you could with great accuracy pick out the packs that would have a Jordan and replace them with other packs.
So what this means is BBCE did non of that. If I recall one pack had a Jordan rc on the front, and Jordan Sticker on the back even.
Looking for rare Randy Moss rookies and autos, as well as '97 PMG Red Football cards for my set.
<< <i>John, I dont buy unopened material so I have never dealt with Steve. I also do not collect Basketball so I am not educated on the Jordan to box ratio for this set. I would be very shocked to hear of ANYONE who would stand behind what a box contained. Is it possible to not get a Jordan in a unsearched box? If I was to buy a box of 84 Donruss Baseball from Steve, and I did not pull a Mattingly, I would not expect a refund nor would I request one. >>
Bob, granted anything can happen in any box, but the usual rule of thumb is that legitimate 1986 Fleer basketball wax boxes contain 3 full sets (and parts of a 4th), so 3 Jordans should be expected with a 4th one possible if Jordan is in the part of the 4th set that ended up in your box.
I have bought from Steve many times over the years and always been pleased. As I have stated before I buy from Steve for the same reasons I shop for clothes at Nordstrom rather than Macy's. Customer service, selection, and more customer service! Can you beat his prices? Possibly. However, you feel much more confident of what you are opening when you buy from Steve. He ships fast and securely. I have been pleased with every purchase made there.
<< <i>If someone bought that box from Steve and opened all the packs and did not get ANY Jordans I'm confident Steve would not only refund his money w/o any questions but also let him keep the other cards. Bobby would you do the same? That is why people are willing to pay a premium for Steve's stuff. John >>
John, I dont buy unopened material so I have never dealt with Steve. I also do not collect Basketball so I am not educated on the Jordan to box ratio for this set. I would be very shocked to hear of ANYONE who would stand behind what a box contained. Is it possible to not get a Jordan in a unsearched box? If I was to buy a box of 84 Donruss Baseball from Steve, and I did not pull a Mattingly, I would not expect a refund nor would I request one. >>
Thanks to Burke, Nam and Steve for answering.
The only thing I have to add is we're talking about a 88 fleer box not an 86 box but both have the same # of cards in the set (132) and therefore the same probability of sets. John
<< <i>Thanks to Burke, Nam and Steve for answering.
The only thing I have to add is we're talking about a 88 fleer box not an 86 box but both have the same # of cards in the set (132) and therefore the same probability of sets. John >>
True - although oddly the box of '88 fleer I ripped, I didn't get even 1 example of about 10 cards...no big names, thankfully. Perhaps the '88 collation wasn't as good as the '86?
Looking for rare Randy Moss rookies and autos, as well as '97 PMG Red Football cards for my set.
Comments
must be that time of month. Buy some Tampons and move on.
<< <i>I don't hate Steve.....I value him and the service he does....I don't believe he is the be all that ends all though...because I have unopened product, and it didn't come from him, my product is inferior is the most absurd thing I have ever heard of.....once I sell it to him, and he gets his markup it is suddenly golden......I am not posting anymore on this post.......I never slammed Steve...but I didn't deserve to get my stuff slammed either.....it's gotta come from somewhere..... >>
You are not understanding that Steve has more knowledge about unopened material than probably all of us combined. I've talked with him many times and he knows what a searched boxes looks like - he knows all the patterns - So yes he does sell a better product than you do. You pay more for his industry knowledge and if he is wrong he stands behind the things he sells 110%
So yes his stuff is worth more than yours!
Seriously though, this has been debated so many times over, it's not even worth the argument. If you like playing the lottery, buy your "unopened" wax from ebay.
Three days later a check arrived including the $50. Need I say more!!!
Steve is a standup honest guy. He has recently sold several thousand $$$$ of my '55 AA's and he has some of my PSA graded unopened AA cello packs for sale. He did authenticate them for PSA as well. I have been dealing with him and Rick and they are both trustworthy and honest, and they rightfully dominate the unopened market. Buying unopened from them is not a crapshoot. No way. I recently purchased three '86 Fleer hoops wax packs and pulled three Jordans. That is the truth.
FYI - the new JAN 2010 SMR is avail. online and you can read the article about me, and the dealer alluded to in the article is BBCX. Check it out:
http://www.psacard.com/smrweb/backissues/smr0110/55topps.chtml
Raw: Tony Gonzalez (low #'d cards, and especially 1/1's) and Steve Young.
As for BBCE, not only is their product and customer service outstanding, Steve and Rick are stand-up guys who really know their stuff. Great guys to talk to at a showor on the phone, no matter if you are looking at a 91 hoops box or a 77FB wax box, they will take the time to answer your questions.
Mike
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IMV, criminality and incompetence are the two main obstacles
to having safe fun with unopened stuff.
Dealing with BBCE, removes those obstacles.
I'd have no qualms buying wax from him.
I'd have no qualms buying it from Duncan either.
Steve Hart gets major props cuz of his outstanding customer service he will take a loss
if a customer is not happy.
However and this is something he (Bobby) should understand, Steve Hart has to get more simply because he has overhead that he (Bobby) does not have.
Steve
-Probably the most honest people in the wax business. It's funny, if you're straight up and honest, you dominate the wax business. If you're less than straight up and honest, you get relegated into being in the "other" category. Doesn't mean you won't buy from them (there are other honest wax sellers), but it means you'll think twice.
-I've had pretty good luck with random ebay sellers. Relatively low dollar packs (like 88 fleer basketball or 84/85 opc hockey). Just check the feedback to see if they've successfully sold packs in the past. But I wouldn't buy a 54 bowman box with zero feedback from a random guy in central pennsylvania
Its good to see Steve with positive word of mouth. At one time he had *perfect* feedback on ebay. Like 10,000 positives with no negatives. Pretty incredible considering how random vending boxes, wax, singles and sets can be. That was an amazing achievement.
<< <i>
<< <i>Actually...that is not true at all....I was asking $325-$350 per box.......I believe Hart sells these for $400+ . . . You were being difficult.....I refuse to give my product away just because I am not Steve Hart.......If I sell to him, and he sells to you, that benefits only him...... Irregardless, my product is good, and NO I AM NOT BBCE!!! >>
Ok Bobby, since you are disputing what really happened, here are our 11 PMs we exchanged starting with your UNSOLICITED offer: (go through your PM list and tell me if the following is accurate)
PM #1 From Bobby:
Date Posted: Aug/31/2009 9:53 PM
I have 3 factory sealed 1988 Fleer Wax basketball boxes if interested.....
PM # 2 from me:
Date Posted: Aug/31/2009 10:27 PM
What do you mean by "factory sealed"?
And whats the price?
PM # 3 from bobby:
Date Posted: Sep/01/2009 8:17 AM
Sorry...my wording was incorrect.....I meant they are brand new, unsearched packs.....there is no seal on the outermost box.....
PM #4 from me:
Date Posted: Sep/01/2009 8:24 AM
Whats your price?
PM #5 from bobby:
Date Posted: Sep/01/2009 8:40 AM
I don't even know what to charge.....I KNOW THE bbce HAS A buy PRICE of $350.....is $400 fair? I think that averages to around $11 a pack.....
PM #6 from me:
Date Posted: Sep/01/2009 8:47 AM
I bought my box from BBCE for about $425, but I paid the premium because they are the world's best sellers of this stuff. Since I dont know you, I'd be comfortable paying just $300. If BBCE is buying at $350/box, thats going to be your best bet. Good luck with sales.
PM #7 from bobby:
Date Posted: Sep/01/2009 8:53 AM
Yes...I can't sell it to you for $300 per box because the BBCE is currently paying $350.....I can sell it to them and make $300 more.....would it make you feel more comfortable if I show you the invoice from Huggins & Scott Auction where I purchased them and a link to the last auction where I bought them? I might would go as cheap as $375......but as far as selling it cheaper than what BBCE is paying, I simply can not do that.......
PM #8 from me:
Date Posted: Sep/01/2009 8:59 AM
I completely understand your point. However, I more than 110% trust BBCE to sell me a legit product every time, and therefore im willing to pay them top dollar. I dont know bobbyw8469.....I never even heard of bobbyw8469, and furthermore, I didnt even ask bobbyw8469 if he had these boxes for sale. Bobbyw8469 messaged ME about these boxes!
You probably did get them from the Huggins auction. But 2 factors remain. Who owned them before you and do you know they didnt search them?
Factor #2: How can I trust with 110% certainty (like I do with BBCE), that YOU havent searched them?
Sell them to BBCE.
PM #9 from bobby:
Date Posted: Sep/01/2009 9:01 AM
I dont search packs...that just aint my thing....I am an honest sports meorabilia seller....I have two selling ID's on Ebay.....wandw-auctions & tarheeltreasurehunt............I have had NUMEROUS good trades.........I am taking your rants as an insult to my integrity........I don't mind selling to Steve at the BBCE....as a matter of fact, I am calling him right now........just trying to give you a deal.......
PM #10 from me:
Date Posted: Sep/01/2009 9:07 AM
Having 2 seperate ebay seller accounts automatically raises red flags with me. Why do you need 2? Sell them to Steve, and then i'll go buy them from him. I dont know YOU....but I do know Steve.
You arent giving me any type of "deal" if the boxes arent legit. I pay top dollar from respected sellers. I pay bottom dollar from strangers. BBCE is a top seller, you are nobody.
Now....if YOU were going to buy an expensive box of cards.......answer this honestly:
Would you rather pay $375 for a box that MIGHT be legit? Or spend an extra $50 on a box that you KNOW is legit?
See my point now kid?
PM #11 from bobby:
Date Posted: Sep/01/2009 9:52 AM
I am not a kid. I am a 40 year old man who has no interest in ripping people off......I am "old school" you can say.....I subscribe to the golden rule....."Do unto others as you would have them do unto you".......I was just trying to help you out......as far as having two ID's....one is mine that I have had since 2000....with over 5,000 feedbacks.....the 2nd is my girlfriend and I together as a joint venture. We get enjoyment out of going to auctions/yard sales and putting stuff on Ebay.....nothing unusual about that at all......
THE END OF PM'S
I'd like you to pay close attention to 3 things. First, you PM me out of the blue, I have no clue who you are and you want to sell me vintage wax that I never even asked for. Secondly, take a close look at PM #6. This is where I decline your offer AND wish you luck with your sales. This is where it should have ended, but oh my bobby, dearest bobby, you couldnt let it go at that point. Thirdly, look at PM #7 and #8. You again counteroffer to me after I was clear on my position, and I again respond politely by telling you exactly why I dont want YOUR boxes at YOUR asking price. But again, this is not satisfactory for you and you wish to continue "justifying" your price. Some folks just cant accept rejection I guess, and when they do get rejected, they post in this thread a bunch of lies and exagerrations. I simply didnt want your boxes at your asking prices bobby. Now is any of the post above inaccurate in any way, shape or form? >>
After this outburst of posting PMs, I gotta side with Bobby. How would have you reacted if he offered them for $275/ea? You would of been happy he sent you the PM.
On a side note, if ANYONE has anything I am collecting PLEASE PM me! I can always reject your offer and ignore any further PMS. I promise not to post our personal meaasges on a public message board.
<< <i>Awesome article!!! Not sure which one you were in the article - were you the one who offered $350 large? >>
The article was about me. I was the (probable) idiot who turned down the offer!
The person who offered the $$$cash$$$ - well, I can just say he is a pretty high up dude in sport's biggest organization who collects unopened stuff - care to take a guess?
I ogled the 55 AA for five days, but somehow missed the packs that were opened, but at least my camera was put to use by Steve for the pack busting!
That has always been one of my favorite sets, one of these days I'm going to make a serious run at finishing it!
Mike
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<< <i>I recently purchased some 78 BB wax from him. The cards were awesome. Some PSA 9 candidates for sure. The wrappers were hit and miss but the cards inside were damn near perfect. BBCE =
I purchased the same in July of last year and got several 10's.
1996 Select Certified Mirror Gold Ozzie Smith
2006 Bowman Chrome Orange Refractor Chris Carpenter
<< <i>I don't hate Steve.....I value him and the service he does....I don't believe he is the be all that ends all though...because I have unopened product, and it didn't come from him, my product is inferior is the most absurd thing I have ever heard of.....once I sell it to him, and he gets his markup it is suddenly golden......I am not posting anymore on this post.......I never slammed Steve...but I didn't deserve to get my stuff slammed either.....it's gotta come from somewhere..... >>
i don't think anyone is saying your product is inferior.. its your track record that is inferior.. when buying unopened wax.. someone with a good rep and track record could easily charge a premium for the gurantee that the product is unsearched.. i could offer a box of 86 fleer for 5k... but since no one knows who the heck i am and i have no track record.. i would prob have a tough time finding a buyer. Steve has sold boxes of that before and i think 4 jordans were pulled. that bought my trust.. if you really want to sell unopened product.. perhaps you bite the bullet on the first box or two.. chalk it up to advertising expence. as you develope a positive track record.. your prices can increase.
<< <i>The article was about me. I was the (probable) idiot who turned down the offer!
The person who offered the $$$cash$$$ - well, I can just say he is a pretty high up dude in sport's biggest organization who collects unopened stuff - care to take a guess? >>
Does said dude have a brand new trophy to go with 26 others?
Current obsession, all things Topps 1969 - 1972
<< <i>If someone bought that box from Steve and opened all the packs and did not get ANY Jordans I'm confident Steve would not only refund his money w/o any questions but also let him keep the other cards. Bobby would you do the same? That is why people are willing to pay a premium for Steve's stuff. John >>
John, I dont buy unopened material so I have never dealt with Steve. I also do not collect Basketball so I am not educated on the Jordan to box ratio for this set. I would be very shocked to hear of ANYONE who would stand behind what a box contained. Is it possible to not get a Jordan in a unsearched box?
If I was to buy a box of 84 Donruss Baseball from Steve, and I did not pull a Mattingly, I would not expect a refund nor would I request one.
<< <i>John, I dont buy unopened material so I have never dealt with Steve. I also do not collect Basketball so I am not educated on the Jordan to box ratio for this set. I would be very shocked to hear of ANYONE who would stand behind what a box contained. Is it possible to not get a Jordan in a unsearched box?
If I was to buy a box of 84 Donruss Baseball from Steve, and I did not pull a Mattingly, I would not expect a refund nor would I request one. >>
Slight difference -
1. only 132 cards in the '86 Fleer set (not including stickers) - One card of each player is almost a given
2. '86 Fleer have a particular sequence and since you can see the top and back card, you could with great accuracy pick out the packs that would have a Jordan and replace them with other packs.
So what this means is BBCE did non of that. If I recall one pack had a Jordan rc on the front, and Jordan Sticker on the back even.
<< <i>John, I dont buy unopened material so I have never dealt with Steve. I also do not collect Basketball so I am not educated on the Jordan to box ratio for this set. I would be very shocked to hear of ANYONE who would stand behind what a box contained. Is it possible to not get a Jordan in a unsearched box?
If I was to buy a box of 84 Donruss Baseball from Steve, and I did not pull a Mattingly, I would not expect a refund nor would I request one. >>
Bob, granted anything can happen in any box, but the usual rule of thumb is that legitimate 1986 Fleer basketball wax boxes contain 3 full sets (and parts of a 4th), so 3 Jordans should be expected with a 4th one possible if Jordan is in the part of the 4th set that ended up in your box.
Fleer always had great coalation.
I have seen boxes where 2 complete sets and 90% of a third with 33% of a 4th as well as boxes that yielded 3 sets.
It is however a given that you will get at the least 2 of each card.
Remember 132 cards made a set and you got 432 cards in a wax box.
Steve
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<< <i>If someone bought that box from Steve and opened all the packs and did not get ANY Jordans I'm confident Steve would not only refund his money w/o any questions but also let him keep the other cards. Bobby would you do the same? That is why people are willing to pay a premium for Steve's stuff. John >>
John, I dont buy unopened material so I have never dealt with Steve. I also do not collect Basketball so I am not educated on the Jordan to box ratio for this set. I would be very shocked to hear of ANYONE who would stand behind what a box contained. Is it possible to not get a Jordan in a unsearched box?
If I was to buy a box of 84 Donruss Baseball from Steve, and I did not pull a Mattingly, I would not expect a refund nor would I request one. >>
Thanks to Burke, Nam and Steve for answering.
The only thing I have to add is we're talking about a 88 fleer box not an 86 box but both have the same # of cards in the set (132) and therefore the same probability of sets. John
Current obsession, all things Topps 1969 - 1972
<< <i>Thanks to Burke, Nam and Steve for answering.
The only thing I have to add is we're talking about a 88 fleer box not an 86 box but both have the same # of cards in the set (132) and therefore the same probability of sets. John >>
True - although oddly the box of '88 fleer I ripped, I didn't get even 1 example of about 10 cards...no big names, thankfully. Perhaps the '88 collation wasn't as good as the '86?