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BBCE ( Baseball Card Exchange ) is THE place for unopened items!
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OBVIOUSLY we ALL know this!
But there are a few new members who are unaware of Steve Hart's operation, and need some reassurance.
If you've bought from Steve's shop directly, or through a "group rip" here on these boards and were happy with your purchase (and not just because you pulled "the card") post here!
FYI I have no affiliation with BBCE, I am only a happy customer!
I bought a few packs of OPC 1978 hockey and pulled this 1/1 Mike Bossy #1 card
..and on a recent group rip I pulled this Steve Yzerman rookie, which is currently on its way to PSA for grading...the pack was torn, yes, but the Yzerman was nice
Patrick
But there are a few new members who are unaware of Steve Hart's operation, and need some reassurance.
If you've bought from Steve's shop directly, or through a "group rip" here on these boards and were happy with your purchase (and not just because you pulled "the card") post here!
FYI I have no affiliation with BBCE, I am only a happy customer!
I bought a few packs of OPC 1978 hockey and pulled this 1/1 Mike Bossy #1 card
..and on a recent group rip I pulled this Steve Yzerman rookie, which is currently on its way to PSA for grading...the pack was torn, yes, but the Yzerman was nice
Patrick
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Ralph
<< <i>OBVIOUSLY we ALL know this!
But there are a few new members who are unaware of Steve Hart's operation, and need some reassurance.
If you've bought from Steve's shop directly, or through a "group rip" here on these boards and were happy with your purchase (and not just because you pulled "the card") post here!
FYI I have no affiliation with BBCE, I am only a happy customer!
I bought a few packs of OPC 1978 hockey and pulled this 1/1 Mike Bossy #1 card
..and on a recent group rip I pulled this Steve Yzerman rookie, which is currently on its way to PSA for grading...the pack was torn, yes, but the Yzerman was nice
Patrick >>
How much with the tilt on the Yzerman effect the grade??
<< <i>...How much with the tilt on the Yzerman effect the grade?? >>
As far as I can tell by seeing tilted cards in PSA slabs, the tilt, per se, has no affect on the grade. It affects the grade only to the extent that it affects centering. The grader will measure the centering at the cards weakest point. For the Yzerman (and Bourque), it will be measured either at the lower left or the upper right, whichever is worse. Once the measurement is calculated and centering determined, the card will be graded accordingly.
I have seen 9's with noticeable tilts, but the flaw didn't knock the centering out of PSA's stated guidelines for 9's (60/40 or better on front). There are even some 10's floating around with very slight tilts.
<< <i>Not an ax to grind.....just I tried to sell some unopened wax, and was basically told that since I am not Steve Hart (BBCE) that my stuff must certainly be no good, searched, whatever you want to call it......other people have unopened wax as well.....and the other person basically told me that I have no business selling unopened wax. Like basically Steve Hart has the monopoly on it, and if I DO happen to want to sell it, I should sell it at an EXTREME DISCOUNT. So to make a long story short, in order for me to sell unopened wax, I need to sell it to Steve Hart, let him approve it, and then let him mark it up?? What if I want to cut out the middle man and enjoy the markup myself?? >>
Incorrect. I posted in a thread about 88 Fleer basketball. Then YOU made an UNSOLICITED offer to me in PM. You wanted almost as much per box as Hart did. I simply told you that if I was to buy another box, why would I pay you X when I can be sure im getting good product from BBCE for X + 15%? I then offered you about 75% of what BBCE was selling those boxes for and you flew off the handle. Thats how it went Bobby.
<< <i>I tell you what I will do! I have 3 unopened boxes.....how about if I rip one open and post the scans on here!?! I am sorta tempted to see if I can get the Jordan rookie in a PSA 10!!! >>
No, keep fighting.
the truth is, there are plenty of stand-up guys out there to buy from including our friend Bobby, but in these times of suspicion, guys like Steve stand out......we can trust something we buy from him today or something we bought from him 15 years ago, doesn't matter because for the most part there's no question, so the fan base here is HUGE, and the other guys kinda wonder how he does it better.
there is really nothing to wonder about......but in the meantime all that other stuff won't change, if you're an honest person and deal fairly, people will buy from you, at perhaps a slightly reduced cost compared to BBCE.......well, Steve does add a premium to what he sells because he has a warehouse to pay for and plane tickets and U-Haul trucks and nights at Motel 6 and employees to pay and etc. etc. etc., but to you the owner of maybe one or a handful of unopened boxes, don't expect as much, just deal fairly and confidently and don't worry so much about what the monster does.
1.)sell it at a steep discount unauthenticated on ebay( this is not because of you , it is because of the current ebay marketplace of scammers)
2)get it authenticated and sell it
3.) sell it through an auction house since they get items authenticated that may not fit in a psa holder(boxes)
4) sell it to steve for more than you probably would have got on ebay provided it is legit
5) open it up and have a blast
Disclaimer: I too am not steve hart and I have sold many , many thousands of dollars of ungraded and graded wax at non fire sale prices.
Hoarding silver and collecting history
<< <i>I tell you what I will do! I have 3 unopened boxes.....how about if I rip one open and post the scans on here!?! I am sorta tempted to see if I can get the Jordan rookie in a PSA 10!!! >>
If it's Jordans RC year, $350 is a steal!!
If it's an 88 box it is still a good deal, just not worth rippin for return factors
<< <i>I tell you what I will do! I have 3 unopened boxes.....how about if I rip one open and post the scans on here!?! I am sorta tempted to see if I can get the Jordan rookie in a PSA 10!!! >>
I'd love to see a Jordan Rookie pulled from a 1988 Fleer box... please let me know if it happens and I will buy the other boxes you have.
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<< <i>Actually...that is not true at all....I was asking $325-$350 per box.......I believe Hart sells these for $400+ . . . You were being difficult.....I refuse to give my product away just because I am not Steve Hart.......If I sell to him, and he sells to you, that benefits only him...... Irregardless, my product is good, and NO I AM NOT BBCE!!! >>
Ok Bobby, since you are disputing what really happened, here are our 11 PMs we exchanged starting with your UNSOLICITED offer: (go through your PM list and tell me if the following is accurate)
PM #1 From Bobby:
Date Posted: Aug/31/2009 9:53 PM
I have 3 factory sealed 1988 Fleer Wax basketball boxes if interested.....
PM # 2 from me:
Date Posted: Aug/31/2009 10:27 PM
What do you mean by "factory sealed"?
And whats the price?
PM # 3 from bobby:
Date Posted: Sep/01/2009 8:17 AM
Sorry...my wording was incorrect.....I meant they are brand new, unsearched packs.....there is no seal on the outermost box.....
PM #4 from me:
Date Posted: Sep/01/2009 8:24 AM
Whats your price?
PM #5 from bobby:
Date Posted: Sep/01/2009 8:40 AM
I don't even know what to charge.....I KNOW THE bbce HAS A buy PRICE of $350.....is $400 fair? I think that averages to around $11 a pack.....
PM #6 from me:
Date Posted: Sep/01/2009 8:47 AM
I bought my box from BBCE for about $425, but I paid the premium because they are the world's best sellers of this stuff. Since I dont know you, I'd be comfortable paying just $300. If BBCE is buying at $350/box, thats going to be your best bet. Good luck with sales.
PM #7 from bobby:
Date Posted: Sep/01/2009 8:53 AM
Yes...I can't sell it to you for $300 per box because the BBCE is currently paying $350.....I can sell it to them and make $300 more.....would it make you feel more comfortable if I show you the invoice from Huggins & Scott Auction where I purchased them and a link to the last auction where I bought them? I might would go as cheap as $375......but as far as selling it cheaper than what BBCE is paying, I simply can not do that.......
PM #8 from me:
Date Posted: Sep/01/2009 8:59 AM
I completely understand your point. However, I more than 110% trust BBCE to sell me a legit product every time, and therefore im willing to pay them top dollar. I dont know bobbyw8469.....I never even heard of bobbyw8469, and furthermore, I didnt even ask bobbyw8469 if he had these boxes for sale. Bobbyw8469 messaged ME about these boxes!
You probably did get them from the Huggins auction. But 2 factors remain. Who owned them before you and do you know they didnt search them?
Factor #2: How can I trust with 110% certainty (like I do with BBCE), that YOU havent searched them?
Sell them to BBCE.
PM #9 from bobby:
Date Posted: Sep/01/2009 9:01 AM
I dont search packs...that just aint my thing....I am an honest sports meorabilia seller....I have two selling ID's on Ebay.....wandw-auctions & tarheeltreasurehunt............I have had NUMEROUS good trades.........I am taking your rants as an insult to my integrity........I don't mind selling to Steve at the BBCE....as a matter of fact, I am calling him right now........just trying to give you a deal.......
PM #10 from me:
Date Posted: Sep/01/2009 9:07 AM
Having 2 seperate ebay seller accounts automatically raises red flags with me. Why do you need 2? Sell them to Steve, and then i'll go buy them from him. I dont know YOU....but I do know Steve.
You arent giving me any type of "deal" if the boxes arent legit. I pay top dollar from respected sellers. I pay bottom dollar from strangers. BBCE is a top seller, you are nobody.
Now....if YOU were going to buy an expensive box of cards.......answer this honestly:
Would you rather pay $375 for a box that MIGHT be legit? Or spend an extra $50 on a box that you KNOW is legit?
See my point now kid?
PM #11 from bobby:
Date Posted: Sep/01/2009 9:52 AM
I am not a kid. I am a 40 year old man who has no interest in ripping people off......I am "old school" you can say.....I subscribe to the golden rule....."Do unto others as you would have them do unto you".......I was just trying to help you out......as far as having two ID's....one is mine that I have had since 2000....with over 5,000 feedbacks.....the 2nd is my girlfriend and I together as a joint venture. We get enjoyment out of going to auctions/yard sales and putting stuff on Ebay.....nothing unusual about that at all......
THE END OF PM'S
I'd like you to pay close attention to 3 things. First, you PM me out of the blue, I have no clue who you are and you want to sell me vintage wax that I never even asked for. Secondly, take a close look at PM #6. This is where I decline your offer AND wish you luck with your sales. This is where it should have ended, but oh my bobby, dearest bobby, you couldnt let it go at that point. Thirdly, look at PM #7 and #8. You again counteroffer to me after I was clear on my position, and I again respond politely by telling you exactly why I dont want YOUR boxes at YOUR asking price. But again, this is not satisfactory for you and you wish to continue "justifying" your price. Some folks just cant accept rejection I guess, and when they do get rejected, they post in this thread a bunch of lies and exagerrations. I simply didnt want your boxes at your asking prices bobby. Now is any of the post above inaccurate in any way, shape or form?
<< <i>Actually...that is not true at all....I was asking $325-$350 per box.......I believe Hart sells these for $400+ . . . You were being difficult.....I refuse to give my product away just because I am not Steve Hart.......If I sell to him, and he sells to you, that benefits only him...... Irregardless, my product is good, and NO I AM NOT BBCE!!! >>
Not sure you ever offered them for $325-350 - looks like the best offer you made was $375???
<< <i>I don't remember....now they are on Ebay for $450....... >>
Read your PM log bobby and show me where you offered them to me at $325. Your lowest offer was $375....my highest offer was $300. You got upset. Just reread the PMs.
88-89 Fleer BKB is going down in flames. Not on the scale of 89-90, and certainly not 90-91, which is BEYOND worthless, but still.
Except for legit 86-87 Jordans, don't put your money into the stuff. Maybe hi-end 87-88 Jordan (centered) but even that is plummeting.
Kiss me twice.....let's party.
I have a 3 year old that will ask the same question over and over and over. Reminded me of bobby's actions in our PM's.
Jeff
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Was part of one of the big group rips, ripped wax, had fun...wish I could rip them again.
Raw: Tony Gonzalez (low #'d cards, and especially 1/1's) and Steve Young.
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<< <i>Hmmm...back to ot.
Was part of one of the big group rips, ripped wax, had fun...wish I could rip them again. >>
Bobby and my exchange here is perfectly on topic! Think about it. Its a virtual ringing endorsement for BBCE. It demonstrates just how happy I am with Steve and his company. There is nothing off topic about it whatsoever.
<< <i>Great thread, and so interesting to see the unfounded, bizarre quasi-hate for a guy like Steve. I don't know how any more endorsements from board members will make a difference to the non-believers, but I will say this: before I heard about Steve, I wouldn't have considered buying vintage wax from anyone. Further, if Steve shut up shop, I would likely never buy another vintage pack or box again. The group rips on here have been a heck of a lot of fun, and Steve treats his customers like gold. To be honest, we're lucky to have Steve as an option. >>
Post of the day!!!!!!
Gecko you shouldn't post private messages to haul someone like Bobby over the coals for no reason whatsoever. I can understand posting them in self defense. But you posted them for no other reason than to try and make Bobby look bad.
Bobby was simply venting his frustration over the way things are regarding unopened material. Why would you even care about that?
Would you eat the moon if it were made of ribs??
I know I would. Heck I'd have seconds. Then polish it off with a tall cool budweiser. I would do it.
Kiss me twice.....let's party.
<< <i>I agree with the sintiments regarding the BBCE, Steve is outstanding in every way.
Gecko you shouldn't post private messages to haul someone like Bobby over the coals for no reason whatsoever. I can understand posting them in self defense. But you posted them for no other reason than to try and make Bobby look bad.
Bobby was simply venting his frustration over the way things are regarding unopened material. Why would you even care about that? >>
In the 2 years I have been a member here, I have posted PM's just twice. Both times to set the record straight on outward lies. Bobby lied in this thread, and I felt it necessary to show the truth via our PM's. Im not trying to make anyone look bad, but since integrity may be the single most important trait in this hobby (not to mention that is the very subject of this thread) I decided to show everyone that Bobby was not being truthful in his posts.
<< <i>Actually...that is not true at all....I was asking $325-$350 per box.......I believe Hart sells these for $400+ . . . You were being difficult.....I refuse to give my product away just because I am not Steve Hart.......If I sell to him, and he sells to you, that benefits only him...... Irregardless, my product is good, and NO I AM NOT BBCE!!! >>
I have no dog in this fight but $350 x 1.15 = $402. Point to gecko
Current obsession, all things Topps 1969 - 1972
I did notice that he seemed to have the $350 and the $400 backwards in PM#5.
Like I said, he was just venting his frustration, nothing else. I fail to see why you had to go after him on this thread for that.
Current obsession, all things Topps 1969 - 1972
geckos rants on these boards are at times epic. This is another classy showing by him.
<< <i>Agreed....let's get back to the thread subject. It's a simple question really:
Would you eat the moon if it were made of ribs??
I know I would. Heck I'd have seconds. Then polish it off with a tall cool budweiser. I would do it. >>
CUBS WIN, CUBS WIN!!
Current obsession, all things Topps 1969 - 1972
Let me grab the popcorn.
http://forums.collectors.com/messageview.cfm?catid=11&threadid=697481&STARTPAGE=4
edited to fix link
http://forums.collectors.com/messageview.cfm?catid=11&threadid=726474&STARTPAGE=1
Current obsession, all things Topps 1969 - 1972
<< <i>Im pumped up now!! This should be a fun rip!!! I will be sure to post scans!!!!! I will only do one pack a night though......I hope everyone understands..... >>
Hopefully you will be this LUCKY