AgReE oR DiSaGrEe////////////////The ERA of natural toning is OVER

ambro51 · May 28, 2009 10:00PM

I say...the ERA of Natural Toning is OVER

Slabs protect the coin, The atmosphere is cleaner and free from sulfur pollutants,No more Wayte Raymond Albums or paper envelopes, no more velvet lined cabinet trays....... People are TOO impatient.

rgCoinGuy · May 28, 2009 10:03PM

Disagree.

Sure it's Darkside, but its my most recent obvious NT pickup.

ambro51 · May 28, 2009 10:17PM

Not what I meant.

I mean.....coins of TODAY will never tone like coins of the past century.

MisterBungle · May 28, 2009 10:20PM

"I say...the ERA of Natural Toning is OVER"
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Not as long as Taco Bell has brown napkins!!

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curly · May 28, 2009 10:47PM

Agreed, brother.

I think the era of natural toning ended when the brothers realized a fortune could be made quickly by jazzing up coins.

rgCoinGuy · May 28, 2009 11:12PM

<< Not what I meant.

I mean.....coins of TODAY will never tone like coins of the past century. >>

Gotcha. I will still take the opposite side though.

I have Dansco Albums with Modern coins that are not in slabs, I am sure I am not alone. I do see your point, but you never know, in the future, there may be some new way to test for natural vs. artificial toning.

boucharda · May 28, 2009 11:33PM

<< I mean.....coins of TODAY will never tone like coins of the past century. >>

Well this little modern W is developing a nice tan

dorkkarl · May 28, 2009 11:40PM

<< No more Wayte Raymond Albums or paper envelopes, no more velvet lined cabinet trays....... >>

NONE of those is "natural" anyway, so your theory makes no sense. those all cause ARTIFICIAL tone.

the natural place for most coins to appear is in circulation, so as long as coins continue to circulate, you'll still see lots of them w/ "natural tone".

K S

bushmaster8 · May 28, 2009 11:42PM

Disagree. Still scads of pollutants in the air. Especially when I eat beans.

IrishMike · May 28, 2009 11:44PM

Remind me again when the coin collecting community agreed on what is natural toning?

nicetoning42107 · May 29, 2009 12:24AM

Disagree. Albums are still in use in large part. Not every collector has their coins entombed in plastic. Plus the "sealed" proof sets the Mint puts out, some of those coins in there end up toning. The rim toned 1980's proof sets of today will become monster crescent/target toned in maybe an additional 20 more years.

mgoodm3 · May 29, 2009 1:06AM

<< Remind me again when the coin collecting community agreed on what is natural toning? >>

TonedCoinTrader · May 29, 2009 1:09AM

Disagree.......

Many new collectors of modern coins assemble coins from circulation and place them in albums.

Not to mention what others have said about the coins in proof sets that are toning in the holder.

Scott

Billet7 · May 29, 2009 2:09AM

I think the examples you provided for natural toning (Raymond holders, etc.) are means of artificial toning as well, not accelerated toning...mind you, but not "natural" either. Modern coins may tone differently, but they will still be affected by their environment in much the same way.

BECOKA · May 29, 2009 2:17AM

People still use albums of all sorts, the main difference is the metal content of today's coins is vastly different to the classic coins and they will tone differently but toning none the less so NT is not over.

stinkinlincoln · May 29, 2009 2:17AM

Naturally toned coins dead? No, never. Market acceptable? Possibly.

ziggy29 · May 29, 2009 2:21AM

<< I mean.....coins of TODAY will never tone like coins of the past century. >>

They will, but they will always suspected of being intentionally toned by people trying to "add value" to their coins rather than simply being the pleasant result of serendipity.

boucharda · May 29, 2009 2:23AM

I know this has been discussed before but humor me....

Is a coin sitting on a desk toning naturally or artificially???

No napkin, no noxious underwear drawer, no propane involved. Just sleeping on a desk.....

stinkinlincoln · May 29, 2009 2:24AM

Id strongly say NT on that on.

boucharda · May 29, 2009 2:30AM

<< Id strongly say NT on that on. >>

I agree...BUT I bet if I sent the above ASE to be holdered it would get BB'd as AT

Been there...done that

stinkinlincoln · May 29, 2009 2:35AM

ASE???

Anytime I see an ASE with electric toning, I want to puke.

No offense to those that collect toned bullion. But its not for me in the least. And while I would still call that NT, its not the tradition NT that develops over time.

Also, I doubt theyd bag it. Seems like the toned ASE's have a golden pass to the NT & AT debate with the graders.

dorkkarl · May 29, 2009 2:35AM

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<< Remind me again when the coin collecting community agreed on what is natural toning? >>

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its pretty simple, if a coin is where it naturally belongs, then it gets toned naturally. if it is put somewhere where it would'nt naturally go, then whatever happens to it is artificial

albums are NOT where coins inteded for circulation are intended to go, so if they are put there & get toned, the toning is artificial.

the concept is incredibly simple, it is hard to screw up.

K S

boucharda · May 29, 2009 2:42AM

<< its not the tradition NT that develops over time. >>

It has been sitting on my desk for 18 months.....with the color developing over time...it has never even made me nauseous

I just like it 'cuz it's a tad different than the invisible ones sitting in boxes in my safe

19Lyds · May 29, 2009 2:42AM

For most slabbed coins, a definite yes!

lordmarcovan · May 29, 2009 2:56AM

<< I mean.....coins of TODAY will never tone like coins of the past century. >>

I partially agree and partially disagree. Many of the coins of today will not tone the same way, for a number of reasons:

One, the ones kept by collectors today are housed differently than in the old days, as you mentioned (i.e., no Wayte Raymond holders, etc.).

Two, today's coins are mostly made of different materials than the old ones (i.e., most are of copper-nickel alloy instead of silver).

Three, the precious-metal coinage of today (gold and silver) doesn't circulate in commerce, so even those are not as likely to drastically change over time.

That being said, the coins of today WILL tone. Not all of them will be slabbed or set aside, and even the ones that are protectively housed may change subtly over long periods of time.

So yes, I agree... mostly. But disagree a little bit, too.

BECOKA · May 29, 2009 3:06AM

BTW, PCGS slabs are far from air tight. I have had modern gold coins target tone inside the PCGS slabs.

tradedollarnut · May 29, 2009 3:09AM

<< BTW, PCGS slabs are far from air tight. I have had modern gold coins target tone inside the PCGS slabs. >>

I have to ask - how does a .9999 fine gold coin target tone?

BECOKA · May 29, 2009 3:20AM

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<< BTW, PCGS slabs are far from air tight. I have had modern gold coins target tone inside the PCGS slabs. >>

I have to ask - how does a .9999 fine gold coin target tone?

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My guess is residue from whatever rinse the mint uses. The get a burnt orange toning.

Whitby · May 29, 2009 3:40AM

I agree, its the largest myth since the perfect coin.

AUandAG · May 29, 2009 3:42AM

What do you mean, no more paper envelopes? I have hundreds of coins in paper envelopes and
am still buying and using them.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm,
bob

LeeG · May 29, 2009 4:04AM

dorkkarl · May 29, 2009 4:08AM

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these are naturally toned since the mint intended for them to be there. but the mint did'nt intend for people to shove coins into wayte raymond holders, so such induced toning is totally artificial.

K S

Whitby · May 29, 2009 4:21AM

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these are naturally toned since the mint intended for them to be there. but the mint did'nt intend for people to shove coins into wayte raymond holders, so such induced toning is totally artificial.

K S >>

THAT is a cool set!

I just got a 57 proof set and there is nothing better than a classic look.

Analyst · November 23, 2009 9:34AM

The era of natural toning is NOT over. Moreover, the term "era" is inappropriate. The concept of natural toning is at the core of the culture of coin collecting. Please check out the following articles:

Collecting and Appreciating Naturally Toned Coins, Part 1

Part 2 -- recently published

yellowkid · November 23, 2009 9:40AM

Bear · November 23, 2009 2:39PM

Natural toned coins today, have

become a lot like the natural

blonds we find in California.

WoodenJefferson · November 23, 2009 3:01PM

Attaining toned coins is like harvesting ripe corn or wheat. The crops are only so large and there is only so much time to get the harvest into the shed. Each year the mint replants the crops, but they are different than the preceding year and will not ripen like the last bushel. Our farmland, like coin designs, is drying up and our crops are withering away. We are no longer the breadbasket of the world.

fc · November 23, 2009 3:15PM

i pretty much agree with dorkkarl. people slap coins into strange places
and they tone... which to me is not natural as the mint did not intend
for them to go that route.

if you buy coins from the mint in rolls and one ends up being an end
roll toner... well then.. that is natural toning to me if it sat in a normal
environment for however many years. normal being in a home, bank,
etc...

Not downstairs on your hot water heater :-| but one would never know
and that is the problem with coin docs.

morgandollar1878 · November 23, 2009 6:10PM

Totally disagree with that statement.

SeaEagleCoins · November 23, 2009 11:24PM

<< I say...the ERA of Natural Toning is OVER >>

I don't know about that... but I'd wager that the ERA (Earned Run Average) for the coin docs ain't what it used to be...

kryptonitecomics · November 23, 2009 11:28PM

Disagree......there will be plenty of NT coins now and in the future....but the % of AT coins may continue to increase at a higher rate

ambro51 · November 24, 2009 1:55AM

Nothing like an ancient thread dug up to rehash once again.

Points I had in mind......Coins today are mostly clad, nickel or copper plated zinc. None of these will ever tone to the spectacular degree that Morgans, MS half dimes, or MPLs show up with. Most collector coins today (and beginning twenty years ago...hence "era") are encapsulated and in theory will NOT tone naturally any more. Bullion silver coins are not subject the same atmosphere present during the 19th and early 20th century, which had a much different makeup than todays air, and are not stored in the same manner (wooden trays or Wayte Raymond albums).

The emphasis that 'collectors' place on fantastic rainbow colors...and the expertise that some have developed that will create these colors in an afternoon of clever work...have taken the helm from the slow natural process that caused that old MS half dime to get that spendid look.

BigRick · November 24, 2009 2:39AM

No POLL? :HMMMMM

2manycoins2fewfunds · November 24, 2009 4:40AM

Unless known laws of chemistry are repealed this statement is wrong.

ricko · November 24, 2009 4:51AM

As long as foolish money is wasted on tarnished coins, toning will continue. Oh, you said NATURAL toning, well, it is all natural, some methods just faster than others. Whether it sits in a mint vault, an SDB, someones album or desk, or a Mason jar on a hot water heater etc etc etc... the process is natural - it just may be accelerated. Now, if you spray paint the coin... THAT would be artificial. Who cares anyway... I like them bright, as struck. Cheers, RickO

Analyst · December 9, 2009 9:35AM

<< Nothing like an ancient thread dug up to rehash once again.

Points I had in mind......Coins today are ... >>

When I re-awakened this thread, I was thinking of coins minted before 1934, and the topic was ‘in the news’ again due to the publication of a three part series on CoinLink.com. There remain a great many pre-1934 coins that most experts would agree are naturally toned, and I am optimistic that most of them will remain so for the foreseeable future. I am curious as to how the contributors to this thread think that the concept of natural toning is defined and discussed in these three articles:

Collecting and Appreciating Naturally Toned Coins, Part 1

Collecting and Appreciating Naturally Toned Coins, Part 2

Collecting and Appreciating Naturally Toned Coins, Part 3

AUandAG · December 9, 2009 10:15AM

I already answered, see above, but here's a pic. Worthless without pics, right?

The toning has developed withing the past two years in a paper envelope (hard to see
but it's under the coin). Alongside a White Morgan for reference.

Beautiful medium deep golden toning.

I have several that have done this in various colors and some have stayed white and
I don't know what to attribute that too.
bob

saintguru · December 9, 2009 11:52PM

These new hard alloys will never tne like silver, copper and .90 gold. But the old toned coins DO exist!!

AgReE oR DiSaGrEe////////////////The ERA of natural toning is OVER

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