Someday, someone is going to post a picture of an error that looks just like this. Why, it's the very coin!
And then we get to play a little game of 'trace the pedigree'.
Could be a few months from now. Could be a few years. The coin may have to trade hands first, into the ownership of someone who doesn't know enough to not share the picture of the coin here.
Should be an interesting day on the forum when that happens.
ErrorOnCoins- You got a bum deal but that happens in this hobby from time to time. In the end even if you win you will lose. ( money and time)
I do not have to tell what to do next time.
If you stay in coins long enough you will hear or be involved in many horror stories from dealers buying 1901 s barber quarters for melt, to others turning you ebay auctions in if you do even the smallest thing wrong to everything you can think of in between.
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Who was that auction company that kept screwing up there BIN auctions with .99 cent BINs of graded Morgans? They used to use eBay Live Auctions before eBay ended that process.
I don't think any of those deals went through.
Now if the seller is taking bids under the table as crypto incinuates, eBay might not like it all that much either.
I decided to change calling the bathroom the John and renamed it the Jim. I feel so much better saying I went to the Jim this morning.
The good thing about lawyers is if you have ANY SENSE anyway is that its usually not worth it when you are paying $200/hr for some bozo to wait for the case to be heard i(n front of a corrupt judge looking for campaign contributions) just so he can present some argument he/she doesn't much care about anyway. Probably wondering how much more they can add to your tab for being such a dip. So you didn't get one over on this guy - you could always send out email solicitations via a bot telling people they won the nature lottery and charge them some $200 fee before sending some goofy photo off?
<< <i>I am pretty sure she had more then one person from here offer a bigger amount. She turned down my offer of 1000$ saying she had several higher already. >>
Why did you make an offer?
I decided to change calling the bathroom the John and renamed it the Jim. I feel so much better saying I went to the Jim this morning.
Sorry for your loss, congratulations, happy birthday, hope the shipping was fair, tape is expensive, too bad about the divorce....... Oh, wrong thread.
Prayer sent!
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While I feel the buyer in the OP was wronged, I think it also wrong to automatically assume it was someone here was involved. I'm sure a lot of folks just read here without participating; others troll ebay for just such things; so who knows what really happened.
<< <i>Who was that auction company that kept screwing up there BIN auctions with .99 cent BINs of graded Morgans? They used to use eBay Live Auctions before eBay ended that process.
I don't think any of those deals went through.
Now if the seller is taking bids under the table as crypto incinuates, eBay might not like it all that much either. >>
The ebay reality....If she doesnt send it, she can be reported for making a transaction outside of ebay for the item if she did,sounds like she did,ebay will know.She can be booted off of ebay for it.Or her other option,She can take the negative feedback for the sale & in turn lose alot more money from future sales than the coins value Because of the negative.or send you the coin.So you may or may not get the coins.Either way when a seller posts an item they are bound to the sale.trying to weasel out just shows you not to buy from her again.Maybe she doesnt realize her options over a few extra bucks....
<< <i>The ebay reality....If she doesnt send it, she can be reported for making a transaction outside of ebay for the item if she did,sounds like she did,ebay will know. >>
I sell stuff on eBay all the time and I can guarantee you that eBay doesn't have a clue when (or if) I've mailed a package to a buyer (at least, until the buyer leaves feedback, that is).
<< <i>While I feel the buyer in the OP was wronged, I think it also wrong to automatically assume it was someone here was involved. I'm sure a lot of folks just read here without participating; others troll ebay for just such things; so who knows what really happened. >>
I think to assume that everyone here is a paragon of virtue is probably a false assumption.
<< <i>Sorry for your loss, congratulations, happy birthday, hope the shipping was fair, tape is expensive, too bad about the divorce....... Oh, wrong thread.
Prayer sent! >>
that does cover quite a few at any given moment though.
I once bought an extremely rare Honduran variety on eBay for a very cheap price. Didn't mention it to anybody. The seller suddenly "lost" the coin and offered me my money back. I presume he was a greedy Esso Bee.
Don't blame the forum. You have no proof that anybody interfered. Just neg the seller and get on with your life.
TD
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This whole thing reminds me of an episode of 'Sanford & Son' that I just saw last night.
Lamont buys an antique 19th century commode from a lady for $20. He describes it to an antique dealer who says it's 'regency' and worth much more. Plus, the bowl inside has the crest of the Prince of Wales on it.
The next day, a man claiming to be the lady's husband shows up and wants to get the commode back. After some haggling (during which Fred wants to take every offer the man makes- he starts at $30), they agree on a price of $200. The man gives Lamont a check, and says he'll return and pick up the commode. Fred is disappointed, and is worried that Lamont is damaging their reputation of always paying a fair price.
The following day, before the commode has been picked up, a man claiming to be a world-travelled antique dealer shows up at the shop. He looks around, and sees the commode. He gets very excited, and offers Lamont $900. Lamont and Fred argue in front of the man, and he agrees to buy the commode in a few days, just to make sure it's ownership isn't in question. He says he may up his offer to $1200.
Lamont decides he can make even more money. He pays $300 to the original seller's husband to buy the commode back, when he comes to pick it up. He's now free to sell the commode to the antique dealer for the $900-$1200.
A while later, when he calls the antique dealer, he discovers that the phone # he gave him was actually for a McDonald's. Fred informs him that he talked to the bank, and the $200 check he got from the woman's husband "is still bouncin".
Apparently, the 'woman's husband' and the 'antique dealer' were running a scam. Lamont was out the $300 he'd paid to buy the commode back, and the commode was worthless.
I know it's not the exact situation- this post just struck a chord with me since that episode of S&S is so fresh in my mind...
(yes, I watch Sanford & Son)
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Do you know for a fact that someone from these boards contacted the seller and offered them more money? Or is that just an assumption on your part. If it's an assumption, it's pretty harsh for you to be outright accusing board members of foul play. I would suggest you stick to the facts and from what I can tell, the facts are that you hit a buy it now and paid and the seller wants to cancel the auction.
I for one would be hesitant to offer you any help in the future if I was going to have to defend myself agains baseless acusations.
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<< <i>I got an idea, contact the seller make them an offer to have the coin slabbed sell it to segoja for 10 grand and you each walk away with 5 big ones. >>
you can bet if there was money to made ...the seller got several offers from forum memebers
Like someone said in earlier posts... if the buyer was dumb enough to spotlight his steal before he got the coin well..he dun' got a lesson in life
I feel for the OP. He did get screwed royally, if someone did, in fact go behind his back and contact the seller. It is a given the seller didn't know what he had, given 2 factors:
1) He listed very common errors in his main image, and to find the money error, you had to peruse. The main image would make most here just hit the back button, for the price. 2) He has not sold ONE coin, at least in his last 90 day period, which tells me he probably doesn't sell coins, at least not many, if any at all.
With that said, the seller should have done a little homework. Now, we ALL know if he/she brought it to a B&M, the dealer would have lowballed the item to death, which may be what did happen for the seller to list it at that price.
With ALL that said, thats why I never posted my thread about this unattributed '56 Type B Washie that went to 19Lyds last nite on Teletrade. Not only did I not tip off anyone, NOONE posted it/linked it....but once it was over, there were at least 3 members that did admit to bidding on it. Why wasn't it the subject of a post BEFORE the auction ended? I think we all know the answer....whether we knew the answer before the OP's situation, or since his situation was discussed.
Again, I am on the OP's side for sure, and while there is no proof, it certainly could be ascertained that someone from this forum, another forum, as it was brought up in the OP's original thread that this very coin was discussed, did go to the seller after the fact. I would bet the culprit didn't act until Fred W. gave his opinion about this being real.
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<< <i>100!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Why you little...
In the end paypal will refund the $300 if the seller does not.
The seller has an easy out, they can always say they sent it and if you don't get it the most paypal will do is refund the $300.
I'd move on.
Hopefully you will find other deals, it's probably a fish that got away.
<< <i>
<< <i>100!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Why you little...
And then we get to play a little game of 'trace the pedigree'.
Could be a few months from now. Could be a few years. The coin may have to trade hands first, into the ownership of someone who doesn't know enough to not share the picture of the coin here.
Should be an interesting day on the forum when that happens.
I do not have to tell what to do next time.
If you stay in coins long enough you will hear or be involved in many horror stories from dealers buying 1901 s barber quarters for melt, to others turning you ebay auctions in if you do even the smallest thing wrong to everything you can think of in between.
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working on proof shield nickels # 8 with a bullet!!!!
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My information is that the seller still has the coin and is entertaining offers.Saying they sent it would not work at this time.
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That said, I think the takeaway for us reading this is: Don't post your rip until you have the coin in-hand.
But not for the "good" reason.
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<< <i>The seller has an easy out, they can always say they sent it
My information is that the seller still has the coin and is entertaining offers. >>
I believe those comments were made in jest.
They used to use eBay Live Auctions before eBay ended that process.
I don't think any of those deals went through.
Now if the seller is taking bids under the table as crypto incinuates, eBay might not like it all that much either.
The name is LEE!
<< <i>Well whoever stole this coin away from the OP by submitting an offer to the eBay seller gets a "You Suck."
But not for the "good" reason. >>
Hmmm. You suppose the others that sent offers will confess?
The name is LEE!
<< <i>Isn't Mike Buyers a member here, maybe he should have chimed in long ago, wonder why he didn't? >>
Realone, Maybe because he has a Life
As you can see below he's not on the forum all that often...
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November 2nd?!? That's just one day after the original post about this coin. And Russ hasn't posted since?!?
Hmmm!
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<< <i>Russ
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November 2nd?!? That's just one day after the original post about this coin. And Russ hasn't posted since?!?
Hmmm!
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he's busy trying to sell 5,122 hairy head coins to make up the buy price for this error!
<< <i>I am pretty sure she had more then one person from here offer a bigger amount. She turned down my offer of 1000$ saying she had several higher already. >>
Why did you make an offer?
The name is LEE!
and be thought a fool.
Rather then to open ones mouth
and be proven a fool".
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<< <i>Russ
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November 2nd?!? That's just one day after the original post about this coin. And Russ hasn't posted since?!?
Hmmm!
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Prayer sent!
<< <i>Who was that auction company that kept screwing up there BIN auctions with .99 cent BINs of graded Morgans?
They used to use eBay Live Auctions before eBay ended that process.
I don't think any of those deals went through.
Now if the seller is taking bids under the table as crypto incinuates, eBay might not like it all that much either. >>
That was Superior Galleries.
<< <i>"Often times, it is best to keep ones mouth shut
and be thought a fool.
Rather then to open ones mouth
and be proven a fool". >>
I prefer...
"The closed mouth gathers no foot."
<< <i>I hope the OP resolves the situation to their satisfaction.
That said, I think the takeaway for us reading this is: Don't post your rip until you have the coin in-hand. >>
This lesson has been repeated here from time to time. --Jerry
Camelot
<< <i>Maybe she doesnt realize her options over a few extra bucks.... >>
Try $15,000 to $20,000 bucks....give or take $300.
<< <i>The ebay reality....If she doesnt send it, she can be reported for making a transaction outside of ebay for the item if she did,sounds like she did,ebay will know. >>
I sell stuff on eBay all the time and I can guarantee you that eBay doesn't have a clue when (or if) I've mailed a package to a buyer (at least, until the buyer leaves feedback, that is).
Is she a trusted member here???
That would change this around real quick.
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<< <i>I can't read this whole thing, but I assume that it is a she that sold this coin?
Is she a trusted member here???
That would change this around real quick. >>
Yeah, who is the seller? Since it has gone this far, why not full disclosure?
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<< <i>So who are the forum members who contacted the seller after seeing the OP's original post? >>
Not me, but for novelty's sake.
+1
<< <i>While I feel the buyer in the OP was wronged, I think it also wrong to automatically assume it was someone here was involved. I'm sure a lot of folks just read here without participating; others troll ebay for just such things; so who knows what really happened. >>
I think to assume that everyone here is a paragon of virtue is probably a false assumption.
<< <i>Sorry for your loss, congratulations, happy birthday, hope the shipping was fair, tape is expensive, too bad about the divorce....... Oh, wrong thread.
Prayer sent! >>
that does cover quite a few at any given moment though.
Don't blame the forum. You have no proof that anybody interfered. Just neg the seller and get on with your life.
TD
<< <i>So who are the forum members who contacted the seller after seeing the OP's original post? >>
Not me. I would not have consitered it. I was happy for EOC when it looked as if they might be authentic.
Lamont buys an antique 19th century commode from a lady for $20. He describes it to an antique dealer who says it's 'regency' and worth much more. Plus, the bowl inside has the crest of the Prince of Wales on it.
The next day, a man claiming to be the lady's husband shows up and wants to get the commode back. After some haggling (during which Fred wants to take every offer the man makes- he starts at $30), they agree on a price of $200. The man gives Lamont a check, and says he'll return and pick up the commode. Fred is disappointed, and is worried that Lamont is damaging their reputation of always paying a fair price.
The following day, before the commode has been picked up, a man claiming to be a world-travelled antique dealer shows up at the shop. He looks around, and sees the commode. He gets very excited, and offers Lamont $900. Lamont and Fred argue in front of the man, and he agrees to buy the commode in a few days, just to make sure it's ownership isn't in question. He says he may up his offer to $1200.
Lamont decides he can make even more money. He pays $300 to the original seller's husband to buy the commode back, when he comes to pick it up. He's now free to sell the commode to the antique dealer for the $900-$1200.
A while later, when he calls the antique dealer, he discovers that the phone # he gave him was actually for a McDonald's. Fred informs him that he talked to the bank, and the $200 check he got from the woman's husband "is still bouncin".
Apparently, the 'woman's husband' and the 'antique dealer' were running a scam. Lamont was out the $300 he'd paid to buy the commode back, and the commode was worthless.
I know it's not the exact situation- this post just struck a chord with me since that episode of S&S is so fresh in my mind...
(yes, I watch Sanford & Son)
Instant classic
MJ
Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
I for one would be hesitant to offer you any help in the future if I was going to have to defend myself agains baseless acusations.
<< <i>I got an idea, contact the seller make them an offer to have the coin slabbed sell it to segoja for 10 grand and you each walk away with 5 big ones. >>
you can bet if there was money to made ...the seller got several offers from forum memebers
Like someone said in earlier posts... if the buyer was dumb enough to spotlight his steal before he got the coin well..he dun' got a lesson in life
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1) He listed very common errors in his main image, and to find the money error, you had to peruse. The main image would make most here just hit the back button, for the price.
2) He has not sold ONE coin, at least in his last 90 day period, which tells me he probably doesn't sell coins, at least not many, if any at all.
With that said, the seller should have done a little homework. Now, we ALL know if he/she brought it to a B&M, the dealer would have lowballed the item to death, which may be what did happen for the seller to list it at that price.
With ALL that said, thats why I never posted my thread about this unattributed '56 Type B Washie that went to 19Lyds last nite on Teletrade. Not only did I not tip off anyone, NOONE posted it/linked it....but once it was over, there were at least 3 members that did admit to bidding on it. Why wasn't it the subject of a post BEFORE the auction ended? I think we all know the answer....whether we knew the answer before the OP's situation, or since his situation was discussed.
Again, I am on the OP's side for sure, and while there is no proof, it certainly could be ascertained that someone from this forum, another forum, as it was brought up in the OP's original thread that this very coin was discussed, did go to the seller after the fact. I would bet the culprit didn't act until Fred W. gave his opinion about this being real.