•Deception: the act of convincing another to believe information that is not true, or not the whole truth as in certain types of half-truths.
Regardless of all the BS excuses, deep down anybody with any smarts at all KNOWS omitting qualifiers especially in the title is done for ONE reason .... Deception!
Those that don't agree most likely wouldn't agree with JUDGE JUDY.
<< <i>•Deception: the act of convincing another to believe information that is not true, or not the whole truth as in certain types of half-truths.
Regardless of all the BS excuses, deep down anybody with any smarts at all KNOWS omitting qualifiers especially in the title is done for ONE reason .... Deception!
Those that don't agree most likely wouldn't agree with JUDGE JUDY.
PoppaJ >>
Do you know the difference between the title and the description? Do you buy the title??? Do you not look at the scans? Do you not look at the eBay specs? Do you not look at the description? When you buy a car, do you buy it by it's name alone??? You don't look it over and take it for a test drive? You people are amazing! I always thought you were supposed to know what you were buying, but apparently you would buy a car simply by looking at the name of the car.
These threads are great. We get to see who doesn't let morals and ethics get in the way of profit. >>
You don't know me well enough to make that speculation. And secondly, at least when I quote someone, I quote the whole thing. I question your morals when you selectively quote people out of context to make them look bad. Nice ethics, hypocrite.
These threads are great. We get to see who doesn't let morals and ethics get in the way of profit. >>
You don't know me well enough to make that speculation. And secondly, at least when I quote someone, I quote the whole thing. I question your morals when you selectively quote people out of context to make them look bad. Nice ethics, hypocrite. >>
Nope, I don't know you. I see scumbag dealers at card shows and flea markets. I see people on ebay quoting NM prices for EX cards and only showing the fronts of cards that are stained on the back. When I see your posts I see those people.
I quoted the one line I replied to. Why make everybody read your repeated claims that you're not trying to cheat people? They read them enough.
I thought I remembered reading one of your posts at net54 so I just went looking for it. Amazingly you're on the other side of the fence with that post.
"So people should be able to lie and cheat to make money off unsuspecting buyers? Upholding the law is "pork"? Nice opinion. "
These threads are great. We get to see who doesn't let morals and ethics get in the way of profit. >>
You don't know me well enough to make that speculation. And secondly, at least when I quote someone, I quote the whole thing. I question your morals when you selectively quote people out of context to make them look bad. Nice ethics, hypocrite. >>
Nope, I don't know you. I see scumbag dealers at card shows and flea markets. I see people on ebay quoting NM prices for EX cards and only showing the fronts of cards that are stained on the back. When I see your posts I see those people.
I quoted the one line I replied to. Why make everybody read your repeated claims that you're not trying to cheat people? They read them enough.
I thought I remembered reading one of your posts at net54 so I just went looking for it. Amazingly you're on the other side of the fence with that post.
"So people should be able to lie and cheat to make money off unsuspecting buyers? Upholding the law is "pork"? Nice opinion. "
Thank you! I like my reply to that loser. And as for you, you clearly don't get that I believe it is not in one's best interest to put things in eBay titles that no one searches. I don't think it is deceptive because you are not selling the title, you are selling what's in the listing. It's a difference of opinion. If you feel the need to question my morals and ethics over something so very small, I think you are pretty pathetic. I am not a scammer a thief or anything like that. For you to waste your time speculating that I am just shows how petty you are. There are REAL issues you should be talking about.
"...You can't force people to put things in their titles they don't want to put in their titles. They are well within the eBay guidelines, so pick another topic to stand behind... this one isn't ever going to change. .."
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IMV, the EBAY TOS make it clear that omitting the Q is a violation.
.......
Titles
Keep listing titles and subtitles clear and 100% accurate.
Being honest about what you're selling helps buyers find exactly what they're looking for.
Avoid giving false details just to attract people to your listing.
Remember that inaccurate or misleading titles aren't allowed on eBay.
Not allowed:
Confusing or unclear titles or subtitles.
Incorrect or inconsistent information, for example:
If EBAY was flooded with demands that they enforce their TOS, the deceptive practice of omitting Qs would be ended fast.
If the FTC was flooded with complaints on the issue, the problem would be solved.
If any consumer asked a court for a declaratory judgment on the issue, EBAY would fix the problem REALLY fast; within hours.
NONE of that is likely to happen, and the scammers will rock on.
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Relevant complaints via the "Report This Item" console will generally be acted upon by EBAY, if there is substantial time left on the complained of listing.
Folks Who Bite Get Bitten. Folks Who Don't Bite Get Eaten.
The problem with reporting items like this is Ebay won't understand what the problem is. If they understood the issue it would be a no-brainer for them to deal with the listings. From Ebay's jewlery section, "Listings that misrepresent (or appear to misrepresent) the true nature or value of the item being sold may be removed from eBay." An easy comparison with something in jewelry that Ebay understands is where somebody lists 14k gold in the title, and then buries the fact that it's gold plated in the item description. If somebody like Bobby at VCP has connections with Ebay to get them to understand the issue, then Ebay will be very responsive when these are reported. Bobby sees more of these than anybody else. It would make his job easier if the number he sees are reduced. If he got Ebay to understand the problem and provided them the data it would make his job easier and help him provide a more reliable data.
"...The problem with reporting items like this is Ebay won't understand what the problem is..."
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Sadly, I can immodestly report that I am a mini-expert on the inability of EBAY to "understand" hundreds of issues. In general, they are as dumb as wooden shoes.
BUT, they CAN be brought up to speed on almost any issue, if the educator/convincer is VERY persistent.
Most folks simply lack the patience to walk up the ladder to find the right maroooooooon to educate.
The tiny issue at hand is an easy fix AND it will cost EBAY nothing to remedy. Once they know that, the change can be implemented almost immediately.
(See the summerof68 saga on resealed-packs to understand how quickly change comes when EBAY stops just listening and starts hearing.)
..........
VCP is likely ideally positioned to raise the issue, but they would need the support of LOTS of consumers complaining to EBAY concurrently, in order to achieve the desired results.
..........
The simple pitch is that EBAY is allowing corrupt/negligent sellers to violate the written policies AND that such sellers are in violation of the TOS.
The risk to unsophisticated consumers is substantial.
The inconvenience to experienced consumers is substantial.
Folks Who Bite Get Bitten. Folks Who Don't Bite Get Eaten.
Thank you! I like my reply to that loser. And as for you, you clearly don't get that I believe it is not in one's best interest to put things in eBay titles that no one searches. I don't think it is deceptive because you are not selling the title, you are selling what's in the listing. It's a difference of opinion. If you feel the need to question my morals and ethics over something so very small, I think you are pretty pathetic. I am not a scammer a thief or anything like that. For you to waste your time speculating that I am just shows how petty you are. There are REAL issues you should be talking about. >>
I don't think you get it either. There is a reason people don't search for qualifiers, and it's they don't want them
I was surprised with all the hardline responses, namely those who said they wouldn't do business with someone who omitted qualifiers from their listing titles regardless as if they detailed them in their item descriptions.
While I do put any qualifiers in my own titles, I personally don't have an issue with those who do not as long as they fully disclosure them in the item description/photo.
Maybe I just don't encounter this often enough for it to be a nuisance as my focus is on mid-grade vintage cards, so when I do see it, I just hit the back button.
Regardless, to me it is rash to assume a seller is unethical and/or dishonest if qualifiers are called out in the item description.
"...Regardless, to me it is rash to assume a seller is unethical and/or dishonest if qualifiers are called out in the item description..."
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Assuming there is a justifiable reason NOT to include the Q in the title, we can't say all sellers that leave out the Q are dishonest/unethical.
Since I can't sort the dishonest from the negligent, I just X them all off my list.
Whether the intent is deception or not, the results are the same. The buyer is wrongfully caused to look at a listing he would/might otherwise not take the time to view. AND, the newbies are put at risk of buying an item that has MUCH less value than the title implies.
Folks Who Bite Get Bitten. Folks Who Don't Bite Get Eaten.
I'm just befuddled that so many here really think people use the title of an eBay listing as the description. What is the point of the description, scan and eBay specs then... to reiterate what has already been put in the title??? Are people REALLY this dumb? It's obvious that the only reason people here want the Qualifier in the title is so they don't have to waste the 3 seconds it takes to go back a page. Good grief, if you put forth this much effort fighting against the bad things going on on eBay instead of worrying about your precious seconds looking at listings with titles you don't agree with, we might actually get somewhere.
For crying out loud. Would you complain if you clicked on a BGS graded auto card, and the auto was graded a 9, but the seller left that out of the title??? If so, you have issues. I don't see a difference.
If the qualifier is ommitted the title is NOT what is for sale. This may not be among the most serious offenses on ebay but the question remains, what is the purpose? honest mistake? want people to look? not important? 10% chance. To overcharge a newbie?, someone buying a gift for a collector? 90% chance.
I'm just wondering if Mintacular has a new user name...
Only an absolute idiot would believe that a seller would not list the qualifier due to "space" restrictions. LOL!!!
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
In the long run bad or misleading sellers go out of business, whether it's eBay or the local fast food place. Quality and customer service will win out - ask BBCE.
<< <i>For crying out loud. Would you complain if you clicked on a BGS graded auto card, and the auto was graded a 9, but the seller left that out of the title??? If so, you have issues. I don't see a difference. >>
Uh, no, that would not be an inaccurate listing, just an incomplete listing.
<< <i>In the long run bad or misleading sellers go out of business, whether it's eBay or the local fast food place. Quality and customer service will win out - ask BBCE. >>
I sold two Qualified cards without the Qualifier in the title... I do VERY well on eBay. Completely satisfied customers, perfect feedback, Top-Rated Seller, many return customers... so I guess you are wrong.
I think the qualifier should be listed in the title and I do list them in my auctions.
As far as searching for PSA 9 -MC -OC , I don't think many people use this option and are even aware of it. So when I list a 1968 Topps # 247 Johnny Bench PSA 9 OC, I still think 95 % of the people searching for this card see my listing, I have also bought a few PSA 9 OC that by the scans didn't look that bad, took them cracked them out and resubbed them for grades without qualifiers most came back PSA 7's and a couple PSA 8's and one even came back PSA 9 with NQ. Yes this is few and far between but it does happen.
The Big question I have is: "who thinks this thread can hit 200?" (inquiring minds)
<< <i>In the long run bad or misleading sellers go out of business, whether it's eBay or the local fast food place. Quality and customer service will win out - ask BBCE. >>
I sold two Qualified cards without the Qualifier in the title... I do VERY well on eBay. Completely satisfied customers, perfect feedback, Top-Rated Seller, many return customers... so I guess you are wrong. >>
so, are you saying then that you are a bad or misleading seller then?
<< <i>In the long run bad or misleading sellers go out of business, whether it's eBay or the local fast food place. Quality and customer service will win out - ask BBCE. >>
I sold two Qualified cards without the Qualifier in the title... I do VERY well on eBay. Completely satisfied customers, perfect feedback, Top-Rated Seller, many return customers... so I guess you are wrong. >>
so, are you saying then that you are a bad or misleading seller then? >>
Oh my lord. I never knew brick walls could type. Believe whatever you want, friend. lol Have at it.
"The Big question I have is: "who thinks this thread can hit 200?" (inquiring minds)"
So far 23 of 33 of sportscardtheory's posts have been in this thread in support of the scam and scammers who purposely omit the qualifier in the item title. He's befuddled as to why so many potential buyers feel this practice is unacceptable. We're befuddled that it'll hit 200 because he'll continue posting about how there's nothing wrong with doing it.
Another thing that I have noticed is that the sellers who omit the qualifiers price the buy it now as without a qualifier. If my brain fell out of my head and I was going to sell my PSA 8 o/c 1966 Mantle and forgot to put the o/c in the title I still would price it accordingly--not $600 like a straight 8.
<< <i>Very well known seller leaving a qualifier out of the title, with 19 characters still available to put into the title. Auction link >>
Quote from his description: "If the auction title does not match the picture shown, please email us to confirm which is correct before bidding." LOL. Don't expect to get a response before the auction closes.
<< <i>Do you know the difference between the title and the description? Do you buy the title??? Do you not look at the scans? Do you not look at the eBay specs? Do you not look at the description? When you buy a car, do you buy it by it's name alone??? You don't look it over and take it for a test drive? You people are amazing! I always thought you were supposed to know what you were buying, but apparently you would buy a car simply by looking at the name of the car. >>
The title is what draws my attention, but if the title does not match the description, I simply do not buy. Not because I immediately judge the seller as dishonest; rather, I realize very quickly it's not what I'm looking for. The title is what helps me determine whether your supply meets my demand.
Just the other day, I was on google looking for a pair of shoes, and I clicked on an ad whose title touted "20% off ALL shoes." I clicked through and found that the 20% off only applied to certain brands (and not the ones I was looking to buy). I immediately clicked away, and that advertiser had to pay for my click despite my not converting. That's not good business practice for them, and it wasn't a good experience for me. Google has a vested interest in making sure the user experience is good, and they crack down on advertisers whose landing page is inconsistent with the title of their ad.
On eBay, just because you can get away with not adding the qualifier doesn't mean that it's helping your business in any way, and one could make the case that some users react negatively to it who otherwise might have purchased from you. You mention that you sold two OC cards using a title that purposefully omitted the OC. Those sales could have just as easily come a user browsing your other cards and coming across the OC cards and buying them. I wouldn't make the leap that omitting the OC is good for your business.
Then again, as long as eBay allows this practice, sellers will push the limits as to what is a clear and honest advertisement title. Many advertisers test moral and ethical boundaries in various mediums, whether through eBay, TV, radio, etc.
<< <i>Very well known seller leaving a qualifier out of the title, with 19 characters still available to put into the title. Auction link >>
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As we all know, there is a HUGE difference between a listing error and an intentional deception.
For my own reasons, I don't like that seller but they do a pretty good job of listing items accurately and honestly. >>
They've got thousands of auctions and probably one of their peons doing the listing. But that does not let them off the hook. This is not the first time I've seen this from them. I also agree not intentional deception, but carelessness is just as bad, IMO, as it can bring about the same negative result for an unaware buyer.
<< <i>Very well known seller leaving a qualifier out of the title, with 19 characters still available to put into the title. Auction link >>
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As we all know, there is a HUGE difference between a listing error and an intentional deception.
For my own reasons, I don't like that seller but they do a pretty good job of listing items accurately and honestly. >>
They've got thousands of auctions and probably one of their peons doing the listing. But that does not let them off the hook. This is not the first time I've seen this from them. I also agree not intentional deception, but carelessness is just as bad, IMO, as it can bring about the same negative result for an unaware buyer. >>
Correct. They currently have 40 auctions running with OC in the title. I don't think they are trying to deceive, but I do agree carelessness is not really an excuse.
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Regardless of all the BS excuses, deep down anybody with any smarts at all KNOWS omitting qualifiers especially in the title is done for ONE reason .... Deception!
Those that don't agree most likely wouldn't agree with JUDGE JUDY.
PoppaJ
<< <i>•Deception: the act of convincing another to believe information that is not true, or not the whole truth as in certain types of half-truths.
Regardless of all the BS excuses, deep down anybody with any smarts at all KNOWS omitting qualifiers especially in the title is done for ONE reason .... Deception!
Those that don't agree most likely wouldn't agree with JUDGE JUDY.
PoppaJ
Do you know the difference between the title and the description? Do you buy the title??? Do you not look at the scans? Do you not look at the eBay specs? Do you not look at the description? When you buy a car, do you buy it by it's name alone??? You don't look it over and take it for a test drive? You people are amazing! I always thought you were supposed to know what you were buying, but apparently you would buy a car simply by looking at the name of the car.
<< <i>This diatribe is meaningless. >>
These threads are great. We get to see who doesn't let morals and ethics get in the way of profit.
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<< <i>This diatribe is meaningless. >>
These threads are great. We get to see who doesn't let morals and ethics get in the way of profit. >>
You don't know me well enough to make that speculation. And secondly, at least when I quote someone, I quote the whole thing. I question your morals when you selectively quote people out of context to make them look bad. Nice ethics, hypocrite.
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<< <i>
<< <i>This diatribe is meaningless. >>
These threads are great. We get to see who doesn't let morals and ethics get in the way of profit. >>
You don't know me well enough to make that speculation. And secondly, at least when I quote someone, I quote the whole thing. I question your morals when you selectively quote people out of context to make them look bad. Nice ethics, hypocrite. >>
Nope, I don't know you. I see scumbag dealers at card shows and flea markets. I see people on ebay quoting NM prices for EX cards and only showing the fronts of cards that are stained on the back. When I see your posts I see those people.
I quoted the one line I replied to. Why make everybody read your repeated claims that you're not trying to cheat people? They read them enough.
I thought I remembered reading one of your posts at net54 so I just went looking for it. Amazingly you're on the other side of the fence with that post.
"So people should be able to lie and cheat to make money off unsuspecting buyers? Upholding the law is "pork"? Nice opinion. "
There, I quoted the whole thing for you.
net54 thread
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<< <i>
<< <i>This diatribe is meaningless. >>
These threads are great. We get to see who doesn't let morals and ethics get in the way of profit. >>
You don't know me well enough to make that speculation. And secondly, at least when I quote someone, I quote the whole thing. I question your morals when you selectively quote people out of context to make them look bad. Nice ethics, hypocrite. >>
Nope, I don't know you. I see scumbag dealers at card shows and flea markets. I see people on ebay quoting NM prices for EX cards and only showing the fronts of cards that are stained on the back. When I see your posts I see those people.
I quoted the one line I replied to. Why make everybody read your repeated claims that you're not trying to cheat people? They read them enough.
I thought I remembered reading one of your posts at net54 so I just went looking for it. Amazingly you're on the other side of the fence with that post.
"So people should be able to lie and cheat to make money off unsuspecting buyers? Upholding the law is "pork"? Nice opinion. "
There, I quoted the whole thing for you.
net54 thread >>
Thank you! I like my reply to that loser. And as for you, you clearly don't get that I believe it is not in one's best interest to put things in eBay titles that no one searches. I don't think it is deceptive because you are not selling the title, you are selling what's in the listing. It's a difference of opinion. If you feel the need to question my morals and ethics over something so very small, I think you are pretty pathetic. I am not a scammer a thief or anything like that. For you to waste your time speculating that I am just shows how petty you are. There are REAL issues you should be talking about.
"...You can't force people to put things in their titles they don't want to put in their titles. They are well within the eBay guidelines, so pick another topic to stand behind... this one isn't ever going to change. .."
////////////////////////////////
IMV, the EBAY TOS make it clear that omitting the Q is a violation.
.......
Titles
Keep listing titles and subtitles clear and 100% accurate.
Being honest about what you're selling helps buyers find exactly what they're looking for.
Avoid giving false details just to attract people to your listing.
Remember that inaccurate or misleading titles aren't allowed on eBay.
Not allowed:
Confusing or unclear titles or subtitles.
Incorrect or inconsistent information, for example:
Misrepresenting an item in the title or subtitle.
...........................
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If EBAY was flooded with demands that they enforce their TOS,
the deceptive practice of omitting Qs would be ended fast.
If the FTC was flooded with complaints on the issue, the problem
would be solved.
If any consumer asked a court for a declaratory judgment on the
issue, EBAY would fix the problem REALLY fast; within hours.
NONE of that is likely to happen, and the scammers will rock on.
.........
.............
.................
Relevant complaints via the "Report This Item" console will generally be
acted upon by EBAY, if there is substantial time left on the complained of
listing.
"...The problem with reporting items like this is Ebay won't understand what the problem is..."
///////////////////////////////////
Sadly, I can immodestly report that I am a mini-expert
on the inability of EBAY to "understand" hundreds of
issues. In general, they are as dumb as wooden shoes.
BUT, they CAN be brought up to speed on almost any
issue, if the educator/convincer is VERY persistent.
Most folks simply lack the patience to walk up the ladder
to find the right maroooooooon to educate.
The tiny issue at hand is an easy fix AND it will cost EBAY
nothing to remedy. Once they know that, the change can
be implemented almost immediately.
(See the summerof68 saga on resealed-packs to understand
how quickly change comes when EBAY stops just listening and
starts hearing.)
..........
VCP is likely ideally positioned to raise the issue, but they
would need the support of LOTS of consumers complaining
to EBAY concurrently, in order to achieve the desired results.
..........
The simple pitch is that EBAY is allowing corrupt/negligent
sellers to violate the written policies AND that such sellers
are in violation of the TOS.
The risk to unsophisticated consumers is substantial.
The inconvenience to experienced consumers is substantial.
<< <i>
Thank you! I like my reply to that loser. And as for you, you clearly don't get that I believe it is not in one's best interest to put things in eBay titles that no one searches. I don't think it is deceptive because you are not selling the title, you are selling what's in the listing. It's a difference of opinion. If you feel the need to question my morals and ethics over something so very small, I think you are pretty pathetic. I am not a scammer a thief or anything like that. For you to waste your time speculating that I am just shows how petty you are. There are REAL issues you should be talking about. >>
I don't think you get it either. There is a reason people don't search for qualifiers, and it's they don't want them
While I do put any qualifiers in my own titles, I personally don't have an issue with those who do not as long as they fully disclosure them in the item description/photo.
Maybe I just don't encounter this often enough for it to be a nuisance as my focus is on mid-grade vintage cards, so when I do see it, I just hit the back button.
Regardless, to me it is rash to assume a seller is unethical and/or dishonest if qualifiers are called out in the item description.
Snorto~
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Assuming there is a justifiable reason NOT to include the Q in the title,
we can't say all sellers that leave out the Q are dishonest/unethical.
Since I can't sort the dishonest from the negligent, I just X them all
off my list.
Whether the intent is deception or not, the results are the same. The
buyer is wrongfully caused to look at a listing he would/might otherwise
not take the time to view. AND, the newbies are put at risk of buying an
item that has MUCH less value than the title implies.
http://www.unisquare.com/store/brick/
Ralph
Only an absolute idiot would believe that a seller would not list the qualifier due to "space" restrictions. LOL!!!
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
"Molon Labe"
<< <i>For crying out loud. Would you complain if you clicked on a BGS graded auto card, and the auto was graded a 9, but the seller left that out of the title??? If so, you have issues. I don't see a difference. >>
Uh, no, that would not be an inaccurate listing, just an incomplete listing.
<< <i>In the long run bad or misleading sellers go out of business, whether it's eBay or the local fast food place. Quality and customer service will win out - ask BBCE. >>
I sold two Qualified cards without the Qualifier in the title... I do VERY well on eBay. Completely satisfied customers, perfect feedback, Top-Rated Seller, many return customers... so I guess you are wrong.
As far as searching for PSA 9 -MC -OC , I don't think many people use this option and are even aware of it. So when I list a 1968 Topps # 247 Johnny Bench PSA 9 OC, I still think 95 % of the people searching for this card see my listing, I have also bought a few PSA 9 OC
that by the scans didn't look that bad, took them cracked them out and resubbed them for grades without qualifiers most came back PSA 7's and a couple PSA 8's and one even came back PSA 9 with NQ. Yes this is few and far between but it does happen.
The Big question I have is: "who thinks this thread can hit 200?" (inquiring minds)
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<< <i>In the long run bad or misleading sellers go out of business, whether it's eBay or the local fast food place. Quality and customer service will win out - ask BBCE. >>
I sold two Qualified cards without the Qualifier in the title... I do VERY well on eBay. Completely satisfied customers, perfect feedback, Top-Rated Seller, many return customers... so I guess you are wrong. >>
so, are you saying then that you are a bad or misleading seller then?
<< <i>
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<< <i>In the long run bad or misleading sellers go out of business, whether it's eBay or the local fast food place. Quality and customer service will win out - ask BBCE. >>
I sold two Qualified cards without the Qualifier in the title... I do VERY well on eBay. Completely satisfied customers, perfect feedback, Top-Rated Seller, many return customers... so I guess you are wrong. >>
so, are you saying then that you are a bad or misleading seller then? >>
Oh my lord. I never knew brick walls could type. Believe whatever you want, friend. lol Have at it.
So far 23 of 33 of sportscardtheory's posts have been in this thread in support of the scam and scammers who purposely omit the qualifier in the item title. He's befuddled as to why so many potential buyers feel this practice is unacceptable. We're befuddled that it'll hit 200 because he'll continue posting about how there's nothing wrong with doing it.
<< <i>Very well known seller leaving a qualifier out of the title, with 19 characters still available to put into the title. Auction link >>
Wow... that's especially lame since it's not in the description either...
<< <i>Very well known seller leaving a qualifier out of the title, with 19 characters still available to put into the title. Auction link >>
Quote from his description: "If the auction title does not match the picture shown, please email us to confirm which is correct before bidding." LOL. Don't expect to get a response before the auction closes.
<< <i>Do you know the difference between the title and the description? Do you buy the title??? Do you not look at the scans? Do you not look at the eBay specs? Do you not look at the description? When you buy a car, do you buy it by it's name alone??? You don't look it over and take it for a test drive? You people are amazing! I always thought you were supposed to know what you were buying, but apparently you would buy a car simply by looking at the name of the car. >>
The title is what draws my attention, but if the title does not match the description, I simply do not buy. Not because I immediately judge the seller as dishonest; rather, I realize very quickly it's not what I'm looking for. The title is what helps me determine whether your supply meets my demand.
Just the other day, I was on google looking for a pair of shoes, and I clicked on an ad whose title touted "20% off ALL shoes." I clicked through and found that the 20% off only applied to certain brands (and not the ones I was looking to buy). I immediately clicked away, and that advertiser had to pay for my click despite my not converting. That's not good business practice for them, and it wasn't a good experience for me. Google has a vested interest in making sure the user experience is good, and they crack down on advertisers whose landing page is inconsistent with the title of their ad.
On eBay, just because you can get away with not adding the qualifier doesn't mean that it's helping your business in any way, and one could make the case that some users react negatively to it who otherwise might have purchased from you. You mention that you sold two OC cards using a title that purposefully omitted the OC. Those sales could have just as easily come a user browsing your other cards and coming across the OC cards and buying them. I wouldn't make the leap that omitting the OC is good for your business.
Then again, as long as eBay allows this practice, sellers will push the limits as to what is a clear and honest advertisement title. Many advertisers test moral and ethical boundaries in various mediums, whether through eBay, TV, radio, etc.
<< <i>Very well known seller leaving a qualifier out of the title, with 19 characters still available to put into the title. Auction link >>
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As we all know, there is a HUGE difference between a
listing error and an intentional deception.
For my own reasons, I don't like that seller but they
do a pretty good job of listing items accurately and
honestly.
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<< <i>Very well known seller leaving a qualifier out of the title, with 19 characters still available to put into the title. Auction link >>
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As we all know, there is a HUGE difference between a
listing error and an intentional deception.
For my own reasons, I don't like that seller but they
do a pretty good job of listing items accurately and
honestly. >>
They've got thousands of auctions and probably one of their peons doing the listing. But that does not let them off the hook. This is not the first time I've seen this from them. I also agree not intentional deception, but carelessness is just as bad, IMO, as it can bring about the same negative result for an unaware buyer.
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<< <i>Very well known seller leaving a qualifier out of the title, with 19 characters still available to put into the title. Auction link >>
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As we all know, there is a HUGE difference between a
listing error and an intentional deception.
For my own reasons, I don't like that seller but they
do a pretty good job of listing items accurately and
honestly. >>
They've got thousands of auctions and probably one of their peons doing the listing. But that does not let them off the hook. This is not the first time I've seen this from them. I also agree not intentional deception, but carelessness is just as bad, IMO, as it can bring about the same negative result for an unaware buyer. >>
Correct. They currently have 40 auctions running with OC in the title. I don't think they are trying to deceive, but I do agree carelessness is not really an excuse.
Title:
1964 Topps Indians Rooke Stars Tommy John PSA 9
Description:
1964 Indians Rookie Stars Tommy John/Bob Chance #146. This is an awesome card PSA 9 Mint. Well centered, crisp corner and nice surface. Tommy John was more then just a name of a surgery he helped pioneer. He pitched 26 years after his debut 9/6/1963. He had 288 wins with a career era of 3.34. He was a 4 time All Star and won 20 games 3 times. He was a big game pitcher with a post season record of 6-3 with a 2.65 era.
It looks OC top/bottom and left/right to me:
PSA 9
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