<< <i>I do WONDERFULLY on eBay and have perfect feedback with many MANY repeat buyers. I am not a scammer because I didn't waste 4 spaces in my titles with OC on the two OC cards I have sold. lol >>
I'm very curious what type of cards you sell. If you're selling '91 Donruss Wade Boggs PSA 9s or worthless modern sh*t, then you're right - those buyers likely won't care if you're disguising a qualifier. So I'm guessing you sell low dollar stuff. But if you ever sell anything that has value, serious buyers will stay away from you. And your incomplete listing titles will end up losing you money.
<< <i>I do WONDERFULLY on eBay and have perfect feedback with many MANY repeat buyers. I am not a scammer because I didn't waste 4 spaces in my titles with OC on the two OC cards I have sold. lol >>
I'm very curious what type of cards you sell. If you're selling '91 Donruss Wade Boggs PSA 9s or worthless modern sh*t, then you're right - those buyers likely won't care if you're disguising a qualifier. So I'm guessing you sell low dollar stuff. But if you ever sell anything that has value, serious buyers will stay away from you. And your incomplete listing titles will end up losing you money. >>
Nope, the two OC cards I sold got $375 and $90, respectfully. The buyers knew exactly what they were buying and were completely satisfied. The $375 one was an early years Mickey Mantle. If someone is ridiculous enough to not buy anything else from me because I don't clutter my titles with unsearchable words, then I don't need them as customers. I don't need nit-picky buyers that feel they can't buy from a seller that doesn't put in their titles the exact thing they would. It's really a ridiculous thing. There are FAR worse things going on on eBay to spend time worrying about other than a small omission from a title. Only an idiot would buy an item without looking at the photos, eBay specs and description. Leaving an omission from a title is not "disguising a qualifier".
just my 2 cents.. been selling/buying on the bay since 98 i think.. when i see the grade and ready to bid and then see the o/c on description, i feel i wasted time.. very little time but still i feel like this is deceitful and will never go back to that seller again.....but hey, that's just my perogative..
<< <i>I do WONDERFULLY on eBay and have perfect feedback with many MANY repeat buyers. I am not a scammer because I didn't waste 4 spaces in my titles with OC on the two OC cards I have sold. lol >>
I'm very curious what type of cards you sell. If you're selling '91 Donruss Wade Boggs PSA 9s or worthless modern sh*t, then you're right - those buyers likely won't care if you're disguising a qualifier. So I'm guessing you sell low dollar stuff. But if you ever sell anything that has value, serious buyers will stay away from you. And your incomplete listing titles will end up losing you money. >>
Nope, the two OC cards I sold got $375 and $90, respectfully. The buyers knew exactly what they were buying and were completely satisfied. The $375 one was an early years Mickey Mantle. If someone is ridiculous enough to not buy anything else from me because I don't clutter my titles with unsearchable words, then I don't need them as customers. I don't need nit-picky buyers that feel they can't buy from a seller that doesn't put in their titles the exact thing they would. It's really a ridiculous thing. There are FAR worse things going on on eBay to spend time worrying about other than a small omission from a title. Only an idiot would buy an item without looking at the photos, eBay specs and description. Leaving an omission from a title is not "disguising a qualifier". >>
What was the item # - I'd like to check how you listed it, if you don't mind. I am curious.
<< <i>I do WONDERFULLY on eBay and have perfect feedback with many MANY repeat buyers. I am not a scammer because I didn't waste 4 spaces in my titles with OC on the two OC cards I have sold. lol >>
I'm very curious what type of cards you sell. If you're selling '91 Donruss Wade Boggs PSA 9s or worthless modern sh*t, then you're right - those buyers likely won't care if you're disguising a qualifier. So I'm guessing you sell low dollar stuff. But if you ever sell anything that has value, serious buyers will stay away from you. And your incomplete listing titles will end up losing you money. >>
Nope, the two OC cards I sold got $375 and $90, respectfully. The buyers knew exactly what they were buying and were completely satisfied. The $375 one was an early years Mickey Mantle. If someone is ridiculous enough to not buy anything else from me because I don't clutter my titles with unsearchable words, then I don't need them as customers. I don't need nit-picky buyers that feel they can't buy from a seller that doesn't put in their titles the exact thing they would. It's really a ridiculous thing. There are FAR worse things going on on eBay to spend time worrying about other than a small omission from a title. Only an idiot would buy an item without looking at the photos, eBay specs and description. Leaving an omission from a title is not "disguising a qualifier". >>
What was the item # - I'd like to check how you listed it, if you don't mind. I am curious. >>
I don't feel comfortable exposing my eBay ID on a message board. I simply don't trust people on them. I have heard stories of people messing with other's accounts over differences of opinions... so I never expose my eBay ID on message boards.
"...I don't feel comfortable exposing my eBay ID on a message board. I simply don't trust people on them. I have heard stories of people messing with other's accounts over differences of opinions... so I never expose my eBay ID on message boards. ..."
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I agree.
There have been several examples of that "problem" on this very board.
On the EBAY boards, everybody with an ounce of sense has a "posting ID."
Back in the day, EBAY posters who disagreed with each other would often go to war by messing with listings and reporting minor violations.
A store can be shutdown overnight, by simply hitting all of the BINs with a throwaway account.
Folks Who Bite Get Bitten. Folks Who Don't Bite Get Eaten.
It was probably a 1969 Topps #500 Mickey Mantle Rare White Letter Variation Low Pop LQQK PSA 8+++
Then somewhere buried in the fine print you had to find that only the "Mickey" had white letters and the MC might be some kind of abbreviation for a Mintacular Mint Condition card.
<< <i>Only an idiot would buy an item without looking at the photos, eBay specs and description. Leaving an omission from a title is not "disguising a qualifier". >>
So you suggest the buyer is an idiot if they buy an item based on the title... and we all agree that if the item had the qualifier in the title that same 'idiot' would bypass buying the item...
By definition, whether intentional or not and regardless of that person's intelligence... that buyer is being deceived. they think they are buying something that they are not. That thought is based on what was displayed in the title.
<< <i>Only an idiot would buy an item without looking at the photos, eBay specs and description. Leaving an omission from a title is not "disguising a qualifier". >>
So you suggest the buyer is an idiot if they buy an item based on the title... and we all agree that if the item had the qualifier in the title that same 'idiot' would bypass buying the item...
By definition, whether intentional or not and regardless of that person's intelligence... that buyer is being deceived. they think they are buying something that they are not. That thought is based on what was displayed in the title. >>
If you buy a "KEN GRIFFEY JR. ROOKIE", are you going to huff and puff that there is not enough info in the title and not buy from that seller because of it? Are you going to buy the item based on the title alone without even looking at the rest of the listing??? I'll bet not. It's a double standard. If you got a steal because of something missing from the title, you would be here bragging about it, but if you get duped because you are not smart enough to be thorough, it's a terrible thing the seller did. Riiight.
<< <i>It was probably a 1969 Topps #500 Mickey Mantle Rare White Letter Variation Low Pop LQQK PSA 8+++
Then somewhere buried in the fine print you had to find that only the "Mickey" had white letters and the MC might be some kind of abbreviation for a Mintacular Mint Condition card. >>
Yeah, that makes sense. I didn't put OC because no one searches OC, but I would put all that other garbage that you put in there? Nice try.
<< <i>Only an idiot would buy an item without looking at the photos, eBay specs and description. Leaving an omission from a title is not "disguising a qualifier". >>
So you suggest the buyer is an idiot if they buy an item based on the title... and we all agree that if the item had the qualifier in the title that same 'idiot' would bypass buying the item...
By definition, whether intentional or not and regardless of that person's intelligence... that buyer is being deceived. they think they are buying something that they are not. That thought is based on what was displayed in the title. >>
If you buy a "KEN GRIFFEY JR. ROOKIE", are you going to huff and puff that there is not enough info in the title and not buy from that seller because of it? Are you going to buy the item based on the title alone without even looking at the rest of the listing??? I'll bet not. It's a double standard. If you got a steal because of something missing from the title, you would be here bragging about it, but if you get duped because you are not smart enough to be thorough, it's a terrible thing the seller did. Riiight. >>
<< <i>Only an idiot would buy an item without looking at the photos, eBay specs and description. Leaving an omission from a title is not "disguising a qualifier". >>
So you suggest the buyer is an idiot if they buy an item based on the title... and we all agree that if the item had the qualifier in the title that same 'idiot' would bypass buying the item...
By definition, whether intentional or not and regardless of that person's intelligence... that buyer is being deceived. they think they are buying something that they are not. That thought is based on what was displayed in the title. >>
If you buy a "KEN GRIFFEY JR. ROOKIE", are you going to huff and puff that there is not enough info in the title and not buy from that seller because of it? Are you going to buy the item based on the title alone without even looking at the rest of the listing??? I'll bet not. It's a double standard. If you got a steal because of something missing from the title, you would be here bragging about it, but if you get duped because you are not smart enough to be thorough, it's a terrible thing the seller did. Riiight. >>
Well, in the Griffey Jr. Rookie case, people expect the worst possible. When someone puts in "PSA 9" without the qualifiers, people expect the best situation.
<< <i>Only an idiot would buy an item without looking at the photos, eBay specs and description. Leaving an omission from a title is not "disguising a qualifier". >>
So you suggest the buyer is an idiot if they buy an item based on the title... and we all agree that if the item had the qualifier in the title that same 'idiot' would bypass buying the item...
By definition, whether intentional or not and regardless of that person's intelligence... that buyer is being deceived. they think they are buying something that they are not. That thought is based on what was displayed in the title. >>
If you buy a "KEN GRIFFEY JR. ROOKIE", are you going to huff and puff that there is not enough info in the title and not buy from that seller because of it? Are you going to buy the item based on the title alone without even looking at the rest of the listing??? I'll bet not. It's a double standard. If you got a steal because of something missing from the title, you would be here bragging about it, but if you get duped because you are not smart enough to be thorough, it's a terrible thing the seller did. Riiight. >>
Well, in the Griffey Jr. Rookie case, people expect the worst possible. When someone puts in "PSA 9" without the qualifiers, people expect the best situation. >>
When people use the mantra, "buy the card, not the holder", isn't it fair to assume that most people even if buying a certain graded card, would still inspect the card, since there are better "versions" of each grade, hence the .5 PSA system. I would assume that most of us inspect the card that they are buying, even in its PSA holder. Otherwise, I can honestly say, that the buyer is A.) lazy or B.) dumb. OC not listed in the title doesn't bother me, b/c I take the time to inspect every card that I buy, graded or not.
<< <i>Only an idiot would buy an item without looking at the photos, eBay specs and description. Leaving an omission from a title is not "disguising a qualifier". >>
So you suggest the buyer is an idiot if they buy an item based on the title... and we all agree that if the item had the qualifier in the title that same 'idiot' would bypass buying the item...
By definition, whether intentional or not and regardless of that person's intelligence... that buyer is being deceived. they think they are buying something that they are not. That thought is based on what was displayed in the title. >>
If you buy a "KEN GRIFFEY JR. ROOKIE", are you going to huff and puff that there is not enough info in the title and not buy from that seller because of it? Are you going to buy the item based on the title alone without even looking at the rest of the listing??? I'll bet not. It's a double standard. If you got a steal because of something missing from the title, you would be here bragging about it, but if you get duped because you are not smart enough to be thorough, it's a terrible thing the seller did. Riiight. >>
Well, in the Griffey Jr. Rookie case, people expect the worst possible. When someone puts in "PSA 9" without the qualifiers, people expect the best situation. >>
When people use the mantra, "buy the card, not the holder", isn't it fair to assume that most people even if buying a certain graded card, would still inspect the card, since there are better "versions" of each grade, hence the .5 PSA system. I would assume that most of us inspect the card that they are buying, even in its PSA holder. Otherwise, I can honestly say, that the buyer is A.) lazy or B.) dumb. OC not listed in the title doesn't bother me, b/c I take the time to inspect every card that I buy, graded or not. >>
<< <i>When people use the mantra, "buy the card, not the holder", isn't it fair to assume that most people even if buying a certain graded card, would still inspect the card, since there are better "versions" of each grade, hence the .5 PSA system. I would assume that most of us inspect the card that they are buying, even in its PSA holder. Otherwise, I can honestly say, that the buyer is A.) lazy or B.) dumb. OC not listed in the title doesn't bother me, b/c I take the time to inspect every card that I buy, graded or not. >>
You and sportstheory are missing the point. Yes, the buyer should be diligent when buying a card and yes, you as the seller can create listings however you want. But you are putting yourselves in a class of seller that MANY (but no, not all) buyers avoid. You are the used car salesman who polishes a car, paints the rust, and hopes that the buyer does not read the contract's fine print that the car has been in an accident. And if the buyer happens not to notice this, it is his fault, not yours. You are not doing anything illegal. But refusing to be upfront with info (especially if it is critical to the item's value) is viewed by MANY as unethical.
<< <i>When people use the mantra, "buy the card, not the holder", isn't it fair to assume that most people even if buying a certain graded card, would still inspect the card, since there are better "versions" of each grade, hence the .5 PSA system. I would assume that most of us inspect the card that they are buying, even in its PSA holder. Otherwise, I can honestly say, that the buyer is A.) lazy or B.) dumb. OC not listed in the title doesn't bother me, b/c I take the time to inspect every card that I buy, graded or not. >>
You and sportstheory are missing the point. Yes, the buyer should be diligent when buying a card and yes, you as the seller can create listings however you want. But you are putting yourselves in a class of seller that MANY (but no, not all) buyers avoid. You are the used car salesman who polishes a car, paints the rust, and hopes that the buyer does not read the contract's fine print that the car has been in an accident. And if the buyer happens not to notice this, it is his fault, not yours. You are not doing anything illegal. But refusing to be upfront with info (especially if it is critical to the item's value) is viewed by MANY as unethical. >>
What about the sellers who put a "correctly" graded card up, and the scan is garbage. You then ask for another scan and they either don't have one, or when they do send one, it reveals a disgusting fish eye(or some other eyesore), that could not be seen in their auction pic. This is a "correctly" listed card, but deceitful in its own way. If a seller has a clearly scanned card OC and has it described as such, I do not see the problem. People are whining just to hear themselves whine. This previosly described seller, if listing another card someone needed, I am sure that they would not, out of principle, not buy from him. What a bunch of BS
Sellers who omit the OC (or any other) qualifier can rationalize it any way they want, but it's perfectly clear that the vast majority of buyers do not like it. But I guess it doesn't really matter to these sellers because the buyers who do not like it are not likely their target audience. IMO, their target audience are those who are uneducated about the value difference between cards with a qualifier and those without. These sellers will never get any money from me as I find the practice deceptive at best.
<< <i>Sellers who omit the OC (or any other) qualifier can rationalize it any way they want, but it's perfectly clear that the vast majority of buyers do not like it. But I guess it doesn't really matter to these sellers because the buyers who do not like it are not likely their target audience. IMO, their target audience are those who are uneducated about the value difference between cards with a qualifier and those without. These sellers will never get any money from me as I find the practice deceptive at best. >>
There is always someone else who will willing to buy, after you or any other naysayer. As my mamma used to tell me, you are only spiting yourself. I find this thread hilarious.
<< <i>If you buy a "KEN GRIFFEY JR. ROOKIE", are you going to huff and puff that there is not enough info in the title >>
I don't see anything misleading in the KEN GRIFFEY JR. ROOKIE. so long as the Griffey card is from 1989. I've seen plenty of sellers however that will call a card rookie because it is a 'rookie outfielders card' or 'all-star rookie' or 'star rookie' or 'future star' rookie, when indeed the player has many cards that came before it. Take this one for instance: 1978 Topps Dale Murphy RC Hand-Signed Rookie Card 1/1
I also wouldn't want to deal with someone selling an AUTHENTIC 1952 TOPPS MICKEY MANTLE and then open the auction to find in the description that it is an AUTHENTIC REPRINT. The seller is correct, it is an authentic reprint, he's disclosed it as a reprint within the auction. However he's been misleading.
A qualifier ignores a certain defunct condition of the card and the PSA grade shows how it grades ignoring the fault.
<< <i>Sellers who omit the OC (or any other) qualifier can rationalize it any way they want, but it's perfectly clear that the vast majority of buyers do not like it. But I guess it doesn't really matter to these sellers because the buyers who do not like it are not likely their target audience. IMO, their target audience are those who are uneducated about the value difference between cards with a qualifier and those without. These sellers will never get any money from me as I find the practice deceptive at best. >>
There is always someone else who will willing to buy, after you or any other naysayer. As my mamma used to tell me, you are only spiting yourself. I find this thread hilarious. >>
Actually, you are the one spiting yourself. Sellers have and will always need buyers more than the other way around. By alienating a large amount of potential buyers from all your listings because you refuse to 'properly' list one single, solitary card, you are in fact costing yourself money. And what I find hilarious is that the remedy for this practice which so many find objectionable is to simply put the OC designation in the listing. What's so hard about that if you are truly not looking to deceive anyone? It would cost nothing more than a few extra keystrokes and would likely result in an increase of bidders.
"...their target audience are those who are uneducated about the value difference between cards with a qualifier and those without...."
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No doubt.
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If enough folks are troubled by the circumstance, EBAY will change the current policy and require sellers to list the ACTUAL full-grade of Qd cards.
It would be easy to sell T&S on the notion that they could "fight fraud" without spending a penny.
A PSA 9 (OC) is NOT a PSA 9. (It is a piece of JUNK that will FAIL to hold ANY value as time passes. Doubters need only look at the history of stamp grading and valuation to understand the worth of "problem items.")
Folks Who Bite Get Bitten. Folks Who Don't Bite Get Eaten.
<< <i>"...their target audience are those who are uneducated about the value difference between cards with a qualifier and those without...."
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No doubt.
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If enough folks are troubled by the circumstance, EBAY will change the current policy and require sellers to list the ACTUAL full-grade of Qd cards.
It would be easy to sell T&S on the notion that they could "fight fraud" without spending a penny.
A PSA 9 (OC) is NOT a PSA 9. (It is a piece of JUNK that will FAIL to hold ANY value as time passes. Doubters need only look at the history of stamp grading and valuation to understand the worth of "problem items.") >>
Sounds more like a PSA problem than an eBay problem. Why grade a 7 a 9 in the first place. Like was said before, this is about people being lazy, plain and simple. Oh the humanity, someone left off the OC in their listing title! They are cheats and frauds! (meanwhile there are REAL eBay issues that need to be taken care of)
Card Collector Buying Lesson Anonymous I'm a card collector and I bought an OC card by mistake. A seller had a bunch of PSA 8 cards listed I needed. All the titles had PSA 8 with no mention of qualifiers. I opened the first card, looked at the picture, read the terms for multiple auction wins, and then placed a snipe bid. I then opened up all the other cards I needed and as quickly as possible placed snipe bids for the other cards I needed. I won a pile of cards and when I got them I was surprised to see a couple qualified cards. No mention in the title or description, but there it was in the picture. When I contacted the seller inquiring about a return I discovered it was all my fault for not looking at the picture. Stupid me, but smart enough to file with PayPal and not bother with him again.
<< <i>Card Collector Buying Lesson Anonymous I'm a card collector and I bought an OC card by mistake. A seller had a bunch of PSA 8 cards listed I needed. All the titles had PSA 8 with no mention of qualifiers. I opened the first card, looked at the picture, read the terms for multiple auction wins, and then placed a snipe bid. I then opened up all the other cards I needed and as quickly as possible placed snipe bids for the other cards I needed. I won a pile of cards and when I got them I was surprised to see a couple qualified cards. No mention in the title or description, but there it was in the picture. When I contacted the seller inquiring about a return I discovered it was all my fault for not looking at the picture. Stupid me, but smart enough to file with PayPal and not bother with him again. >>
Clearly not mentioning it in the eBay specs or description is not what we are talking about here. That is completely misleading.
Like was said before, this is about people being lazy, plain and simple.
Says the person who can't summon the energy to type the letters "O" and "C" when writing up a listing, thereby saving hundreds of others the trouble of clicking on an item they otherwise would have no intention of buying. Yes, the issue could be as simple as laziness.
<< <i>QUALIFIERS: PSA will grade nearly every card submitted. Cards having significant flaws will receive "qualified" grades... >>
A significant flaw... This is why it is part of the grade. So if you state a PSA 9 MC is a PSA 9 in the title, then you've lied as a PSA 9 does not have significant flaws.
<< <i>Like was said before, this is about people being lazy, plain and simple.
Says the person who can't summon the energy to type the letters "O" and "C" when writing up a listing, thereby saving hundreds of others the trouble of clicking on an item they otherwise would have no intention of buying. Yes, the issue could be as simple as laziness. >>
I've already stated I don't put it in the title because no one searches OC.
The problem here is some people are equating an eBay TITLE to the DESCRIPTION. They are two COMPLETELY different things. The title is to get you TO the listing, and the description DESCRIBES what is being sold. I'm sure NO one here would care if the title was MICKEY MANTLE CARD and didn't show that it is a PSA 9 1952 Topps. Is anyone dumb enough to admit they would care that it didn't state it was a PSA 9??? It's a double standard.
<< <i>The problem here is some people are equating an eBay TITLE to the DESCRIPTION. >>
No, the problem here is that a small minorty seem to think that PSA 9 is the same thing as PSA 9 OC. So it's ok to include a partial grade in the title.
PSA 9 = MINT PSA 9 Q= Significant Flaw, but otherwise mint.
I always search with -OC, -MC, etc because I don't collect that crap. I know some people on the board collect MC, so they likely search for MC. I'm sure others don't care about centering and may be more likely to buy OC, since they can get it a lot cheaper.
Keep listing titles and subtitles clear and 100% accurate.
Being honest about what you're selling helps buyers find exactly what they're looking for.
Avoid giving false details just to attract people to your listing.
Remember that inaccurate or misleading titles aren't allowed on eBay.
Not allowed:
Confusing or unclear titles or subtitles.
Incorrect or inconsistent information, for example:
Misrepresenting an item in the title or subtitle.
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Lies By Omission - The most common form of deception is omission. >>
So why don't you make a thread against all the people who use the bare minimum in their titles. No more "MICKEY MANTLE CARD" titles! No more "BASEBALL CARD" titles! Uh oh, someone didn't add Topps in the title... how will you know who made the card??? OMG, someone didn't put that that card was a RC card... these people are frauds and scammers! lol You guys are a trip. You should return every card you ever got a steal on with a non-descriptive title. I'll bet you won't though, because you are talking out your asses.
"...So why don't you make a thread against all the people who use the bare minimum in their titles. No more "MICKEY MANTLE CARD" titles! No more "BASEBALL CARD" titles! Uh oh, someone didn't add Topps in the title... how will you know who made the card??? OMG, someone didn't put that that card was a RC card... these people are frauds and scammers! lol You guys are a trip. You should return every card you ever got a steal on with a non-descriptive title. I'll bet you won't though, because you are talking out your asses..."
<< <i>"...So why don't you make a thread against all the people who use the bare minimum in their titles. No more "MICKEY MANTLE CARD" titles! No more "BASEBALL CARD" titles! Uh oh, someone didn't add Topps in the title... how will you know who made the card??? OMG, someone didn't put that that card was a RC card... these people are frauds and scammers! lol You guys are a trip. You should return every card you ever got a steal on with a non-descriptive title. I'll bet you won't though, because you are talking out your asses..."
Nobody searches for an OC. Correct. Nobody searches for a 1966 Topps # 010 Piece of crap ny yankees psa 9oc either. We search for cards we want......not cards we do not want. Also, I search against cards I do not want by adding a minus sign (-) in my search description so that I DO NOT have to see cards with qualifiers come up. When a card is not listed as OC but comes up I feel deceived and cheated. AS pointed out earlier a 9OC card has a value of a psa 6 or 7. When a card has a value in the hundreds of dollars or even thousands....the difference in dollars can be tremendous and only 20% of the straight psa 9 value.
It literally would be like looking to buy a brand new 2010 car and search for 2010 in your description. Then a 1997 card comes up in your search (worth only about 20% of a new one). Want to buy this one Mr Sportscardtheory? Go into a car dealership and say to a salesman, " I have $40K to spend on a 2010 Dodge ram truck 4x4 and he stops at a 1997 and says, She's a beauty and in mint condition for only $40K. Would you feel deceived?
This all reminds me of recent TV commercials by a bank. A child gets a new bike but the man in the commercial says, "you can't ride it outside this small rectangle on the floor." The kids has the look of being cheated "by the small print."
The bigger picture is I am witnessing in this country a gradual decline or values and morality. I am glad to see 95% of these board members are decent honest folk. The other 5%....well I hope ebay catches up with you. But as pointed out in a previous reply that omitting the qualifier is well within ebay guidelines......Often it seems ebay cares more about it's bottom line that what is right or wrong.
Collecting PSA... FB,BK,HK,and BB HOF RC sets 1948-76 Topps FB Sets FB & BB HOF Player sets 1948-1993 NY Yankee Team Sets
<< <i>Nobody searches for an OC. Correct. Nobody searches for a 1966 Topps # 010 Piece of crap ny yankees psa 9oc either. We search for cards we want......not cards we do not want. Also, I search against cards I do not want by adding a minus sign (-) in my search description so that I DO NOT have to see cards with qualifiers come up. When a card is not listed as OC but comes up I feel deceived and cheated. AS pointed out earlier a 9OC card has a value of a psa 6 or 7. When a card has a value in the hundreds of dollars or even thousands....the difference in dollars can be tremendous and only 20% of the straight psa 9 value.
It literally would be like looking to buy a brand new 2010 car and search for 2010 in your description. Then a 1997 card comes up in your search (worth only about 20% of a new one). Want to buy this one Mr Sportscardtheory? Go into a car dealership and say to a salesman, " I have $40K to spend on a 2010 Dodge ram truck 4x4 and he stops at a 1997 and says, She's a beauty and in mint condition for only $40K. Would you feel deceived?
This all reminds me of recent TV commercials by a bank. A child gets a new bike but the man in the commercial says, "you can't ride it outside this small rectangle on the floor." The kids has the look of being cheated "by the small print."
The bigger picture is I am witnessing in this country a gradual decline or values and morality. I am glad to see 95% of these board members are decent honest folk. The other 5%....well I hope ebay catches up with you. But as pointed out in a previous reply that omitting the qualifier is well within ebay guidelines......Often it seems ebay cares more about it's bottom line that what is right or wrong. >>
This diatribe is meaningless. Why don't you use your energy arguing against something that actually matters and isn't simply a minor inconvenience that is not against eBay policy. I mean, come on already. You act as though this is one of the most fraudulent things someone can possibly do on eBay when the truth is, it's merely a difference of opinion on what to put in your title. You can't force people to put things in their titles they don't want to put in their titles. They are well within the eBay guidelines, so pick another topic to stand behind... this one isn't ever going to change. I love how people act like it is a "moral" issue... LOL. We are talking about views on an eBay listing for crying out loud. As long as the Qualifier is in the scan, eBay specs and description, there is no fraud being perpetrated here. I'm as honest as they come and I omitted the Qualifier on two of my items because it simply doesn't HAVE to be there taking up title space. If you don't want to buy the card, move on... no crime happening here. Again, some of you REALLY need to get off your high horses and come back down to reality.
P.S. I have come across NUMEROUS eBay listings that don't have the PSA Qualifier in the title and I REALLY don't give two shi*s, I simply move on. I guess I'm just not an eBay snob.
<< <i>I always search with -OC, -MC, etc because I don't collect that crap. I know some people on the board collect MC, so they likely search for MC. I'm sure others don't care about centering and may be more likely to buy OC, since they can get it a lot cheaper. >>
The sad part of that is when someone has a BUY IT NOW, and is asking a shade under what a unqualified one goes for. It should be SUBSTANIALLY less.....
" Last time I looked only a few cards were graded Mint 9's with no 10's! With a card this special do you really want to settle for less? As with all of our offerings...if you're not completely satisfied let us know. We'll cheerfully issue you a refund...it's that simple!"
Well thanks for waisting my time looking at this "MINT 9" card. I want to send for a refund
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<< <i>I do WONDERFULLY on eBay and have perfect feedback with many MANY repeat buyers. I am not a scammer because I didn't waste 4 spaces in my titles with OC on the two OC cards I have sold. lol >>
I'm very curious what type of cards you sell. If you're selling '91 Donruss Wade Boggs PSA 9s or worthless modern sh*t, then you're right - those buyers likely won't care if you're disguising a qualifier. So I'm guessing you sell low dollar stuff.
But if you ever sell anything that has value, serious buyers will stay away from you. And your incomplete listing titles will end up losing you money.
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<< <i>I do WONDERFULLY on eBay and have perfect feedback with many MANY repeat buyers. I am not a scammer because I didn't waste 4 spaces in my titles with OC on the two OC cards I have sold. lol >>
I'm very curious what type of cards you sell. If you're selling '91 Donruss Wade Boggs PSA 9s or worthless modern sh*t, then you're right - those buyers likely won't care if you're disguising a qualifier. So I'm guessing you sell low dollar stuff.
But if you ever sell anything that has value, serious buyers will stay away from you. And your incomplete listing titles will end up losing you money. >>
Nope, the two OC cards I sold got $375 and $90, respectfully. The buyers knew exactly what they were buying and were completely satisfied. The $375 one was an early years Mickey Mantle. If someone is ridiculous enough to not buy anything else from me because I don't clutter my titles with unsearchable words, then I don't need them as customers. I don't need nit-picky buyers that feel they can't buy from a seller that doesn't put in their titles the exact thing they would. It's really a ridiculous thing. There are FAR worse things going on on eBay to spend time worrying about other than a small omission from a title. Only an idiot would buy an item without looking at the photos, eBay specs and description. Leaving an omission from a title is not "disguising a qualifier".
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I'm very curious what type of cards you sell. If you're selling '91 Donruss Wade Boggs PSA 9s or worthless modern sh*t, then you're right - those buyers likely won't care if you're disguising a qualifier. So I'm guessing you sell low dollar stuff.
But if you ever sell anything that has value, serious buyers will stay away from you. And your incomplete listing titles will end up losing you money. >>
Nope, the two OC cards I sold got $375 and $90, respectfully. The buyers knew exactly what they were buying and were completely satisfied. The $375 one was an early years Mickey Mantle. If someone is ridiculous enough to not buy anything else from me because I don't clutter my titles with unsearchable words, then I don't need them as customers. I don't need nit-picky buyers that feel they can't buy from a seller that doesn't put in their titles the exact thing they would. It's really a ridiculous thing. There are FAR worse things going on on eBay to spend time worrying about other than a small omission from a title. Only an idiot would buy an item without looking at the photos, eBay specs and description. Leaving an omission from a title is not "disguising a qualifier". >>
What was the item # - I'd like to check how you listed it, if you don't mind. I am curious.
Titles don't need the words "baseball" or "card" or anything like that. Here's how I would list one:
1990 Fleer Joe Montana 359 PSA 8 ST
and then use the title for whatever else i could fit. But I would think those are the most important things to have.
My eBay Store: Chosen Point's Heroic Diversions eBay Store
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I'm very curious what type of cards you sell. If you're selling '91 Donruss Wade Boggs PSA 9s or worthless modern sh*t, then you're right - those buyers likely won't care if you're disguising a qualifier. So I'm guessing you sell low dollar stuff.
But if you ever sell anything that has value, serious buyers will stay away from you. And your incomplete listing titles will end up losing you money. >>
Nope, the two OC cards I sold got $375 and $90, respectfully. The buyers knew exactly what they were buying and were completely satisfied. The $375 one was an early years Mickey Mantle. If someone is ridiculous enough to not buy anything else from me because I don't clutter my titles with unsearchable words, then I don't need them as customers. I don't need nit-picky buyers that feel they can't buy from a seller that doesn't put in their titles the exact thing they would. It's really a ridiculous thing. There are FAR worse things going on on eBay to spend time worrying about other than a small omission from a title. Only an idiot would buy an item without looking at the photos, eBay specs and description. Leaving an omission from a title is not "disguising a qualifier". >>
What was the item # - I'd like to check how you listed it, if you don't mind. I am curious. >>
I don't feel comfortable exposing my eBay ID on a message board. I simply don't trust people on them. I have heard stories of people messing with other's accounts over differences of opinions... so I never expose my eBay ID on message boards.
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I agree.
There have been several examples of that "problem" on
this very board.
On the EBAY boards, everybody with an ounce of sense
has a "posting ID."
Back in the day, EBAY posters who disagreed with each
other would often go to war by messing with listings and
reporting minor violations.
A store can be shutdown overnight, by simply hitting all
of the BINs with a throwaway account.
<< <i>You forgot the card number in both cases....I would think that is the most important part..... >>
OOPS, you're right, I also included the card number in listings...this adds even more characters to the title line
Then somewhere buried in the fine print you had to find that only the "Mickey" had white letters and the MC might be some kind of abbreviation for a Mintacular Mint Condition card.
<< <i>Only an idiot would buy an item without looking at the photos, eBay specs and description. Leaving an omission from a title is not "disguising a qualifier". >>
So you suggest the buyer is an idiot if they buy an item based on the title... and we all agree that if the item had the qualifier in the title that same 'idiot' would bypass buying the item...
By definition, whether intentional or not and regardless of that person's intelligence... that buyer is being deceived. they think they are buying something that they are not. That thought is based on what was displayed in the title.
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<< <i>Only an idiot would buy an item without looking at the photos, eBay specs and description. Leaving an omission from a title is not "disguising a qualifier". >>
So you suggest the buyer is an idiot if they buy an item based on the title... and we all agree that if the item had the qualifier in the title that same 'idiot' would bypass buying the item...
By definition, whether intentional or not and regardless of that person's intelligence... that buyer is being deceived. they think they are buying something that they are not. That thought is based on what was displayed in the title. >>
If you buy a "KEN GRIFFEY JR. ROOKIE", are you going to huff and puff that there is not enough info in the title and not buy from that seller because of it? Are you going to buy the item based on the title alone without even looking at the rest of the listing??? I'll bet not. It's a double standard. If you got a steal because of something missing from the title, you would be here bragging about it, but if you get duped because you are not smart enough to be thorough, it's a terrible thing the seller did. Riiight.
<< <i>It was probably a 1969 Topps #500 Mickey Mantle Rare White Letter Variation Low Pop LQQK PSA 8+++
Then somewhere buried in the fine print you had to find that only the "Mickey" had white letters and the MC might be some kind of abbreviation for a Mintacular Mint Condition card. >>
Yeah, that makes sense. I didn't put OC because no one searches OC, but I would put all that other garbage that you put in there? Nice try.
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So you suggest the buyer is an idiot if they buy an item based on the title... and we all agree that if the item had the qualifier in the title that same 'idiot' would bypass buying the item...
By definition, whether intentional or not and regardless of that person's intelligence... that buyer is being deceived. they think they are buying something that they are not. That thought is based on what was displayed in the title. >>
If you buy a "KEN GRIFFEY JR. ROOKIE", are you going to huff and puff that there is not enough info in the title and not buy from that seller because of it? Are you going to buy the item based on the title alone without even looking at the rest of the listing??? I'll bet not. It's a double standard. If you got a steal because of something missing from the title, you would be here bragging about it, but if you get duped because you are not smart enough to be thorough, it's a terrible thing the seller did. Riiight. >>
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<< <i>Only an idiot would buy an item without looking at the photos, eBay specs and description. Leaving an omission from a title is not "disguising a qualifier". >>
So you suggest the buyer is an idiot if they buy an item based on the title... and we all agree that if the item had the qualifier in the title that same 'idiot' would bypass buying the item...
By definition, whether intentional or not and regardless of that person's intelligence... that buyer is being deceived. they think they are buying something that they are not. That thought is based on what was displayed in the title. >>
If you buy a "KEN GRIFFEY JR. ROOKIE", are you going to huff and puff that there is not enough info in the title and not buy from that seller because of it? Are you going to buy the item based on the title alone without even looking at the rest of the listing??? I'll bet not. It's a double standard. If you got a steal because of something missing from the title, you would be here bragging about it, but if you get duped because you are not smart enough to be thorough, it's a terrible thing the seller did. Riiight. >>
Well, in the Griffey Jr. Rookie case, people expect the worst possible. When someone puts in "PSA 9" without the qualifiers, people expect the best situation.
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So you suggest the buyer is an idiot if they buy an item based on the title... and we all agree that if the item had the qualifier in the title that same 'idiot' would bypass buying the item...
By definition, whether intentional or not and regardless of that person's intelligence... that buyer is being deceived. they think they are buying something that they are not. That thought is based on what was displayed in the title. >>
If you buy a "KEN GRIFFEY JR. ROOKIE", are you going to huff and puff that there is not enough info in the title and not buy from that seller because of it? Are you going to buy the item based on the title alone without even looking at the rest of the listing??? I'll bet not. It's a double standard. If you got a steal because of something missing from the title, you would be here bragging about it, but if you get duped because you are not smart enough to be thorough, it's a terrible thing the seller did. Riiight. >>
Well, in the Griffey Jr. Rookie case, people expect the worst possible. When someone puts in "PSA 9" without the qualifiers, people expect the best situation. >>
When people use the mantra, "buy the card, not the holder", isn't it fair to assume that most people even if buying a certain graded card, would still inspect the card, since there are better "versions" of each grade, hence the .5 PSA system. I would assume that most of us inspect the card that they are buying, even in its PSA holder. Otherwise, I can honestly say, that the buyer is A.) lazy or B.) dumb. OC not listed in the title doesn't bother me, b/c I take the time to inspect every card that I buy, graded or not.
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So you suggest the buyer is an idiot if they buy an item based on the title... and we all agree that if the item had the qualifier in the title that same 'idiot' would bypass buying the item...
By definition, whether intentional or not and regardless of that person's intelligence... that buyer is being deceived. they think they are buying something that they are not. That thought is based on what was displayed in the title. >>
If you buy a "KEN GRIFFEY JR. ROOKIE", are you going to huff and puff that there is not enough info in the title and not buy from that seller because of it? Are you going to buy the item based on the title alone without even looking at the rest of the listing??? I'll bet not. It's a double standard. If you got a steal because of something missing from the title, you would be here bragging about it, but if you get duped because you are not smart enough to be thorough, it's a terrible thing the seller did. Riiight. >>
Well, in the Griffey Jr. Rookie case, people expect the worst possible. When someone puts in "PSA 9" without the qualifiers, people expect the best situation. >>
When people use the mantra, "buy the card, not the holder", isn't it fair to assume that most people even if buying a certain graded card, would still inspect the card, since there are better "versions" of each grade, hence the .5 PSA system. I would assume that most of us inspect the card that they are buying, even in its PSA holder. Otherwise, I can honestly say, that the buyer is A.) lazy or B.) dumb. OC not listed in the title doesn't bother me, b/c I take the time to inspect every card that I buy, graded or not. >>
it's all a matter of perception.
<< <i>When people use the mantra, "buy the card, not the holder", isn't it fair to assume that most people even if buying a certain graded card, would still inspect the card, since there are better "versions" of each grade, hence the .5 PSA system. I would assume that most of us inspect the card that they are buying, even in its PSA holder. Otherwise, I can honestly say, that the buyer is A.) lazy or B.) dumb. OC not listed in the title doesn't bother me, b/c I take the time to inspect every card that I buy, graded or not. >>
You and sportstheory are missing the point.
Yes, the buyer should be diligent when buying a card and yes, you as the seller can create listings however you want.
But you are putting yourselves in a class of seller that MANY (but no, not all) buyers avoid. You are the used car salesman who polishes a car, paints the rust, and hopes that the buyer does not read the contract's fine print that the car has been in an accident. And if the buyer happens not to notice this, it is his fault, not yours.
You are not doing anything illegal. But refusing to be upfront with info (especially if it is critical to the item's value) is viewed by MANY as unethical.
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You and sportstheory are missing the point.
Yes, the buyer should be diligent when buying a card and yes, you as the seller can create listings however you want.
But you are putting yourselves in a class of seller that MANY (but no, not all) buyers avoid. You are the used car salesman who polishes a car, paints the rust, and hopes that the buyer does not read the contract's fine print that the car has been in an accident. And if the buyer happens not to notice this, it is his fault, not yours.
You are not doing anything illegal. But refusing to be upfront with info (especially if it is critical to the item's value) is viewed by MANY as unethical. >>
What about the sellers who put a "correctly" graded card up, and the scan is garbage. You then ask for another scan and they either don't have one, or when they do send one, it reveals a disgusting fish eye(or some other eyesore), that could not be seen in their auction pic. This is a "correctly" listed card, but deceitful in its own way. If a seller has a clearly scanned card OC and has it described as such, I do not see the problem. People are whining just to hear themselves whine. This previosly described seller, if listing another card someone needed, I am sure that they would not, out of principle, not buy from him. What a bunch of BS
<< <i>Sellers who omit the OC (or any other) qualifier can rationalize it any way they want, but it's perfectly clear that the vast majority of buyers do not like it. But I guess it doesn't really matter to these sellers because the buyers who do not like it are not likely their target audience. IMO, their target audience are those who are uneducated about the value difference between cards with a qualifier and those without. These sellers will never get any money from me as I find the practice deceptive at best. >>
There is always someone else who will willing to buy, after you or any other naysayer. As my mamma used to tell me, you are only spiting yourself. I find this thread hilarious.
<< <i>If you buy a "KEN GRIFFEY JR. ROOKIE", are you going to huff and puff that there is not enough info in the title >>
I don't see anything misleading in the KEN GRIFFEY JR. ROOKIE. so long as the Griffey card is from 1989. I've seen plenty of sellers however that will call a card rookie because it is a 'rookie outfielders card' or 'all-star rookie' or 'star rookie' or 'future star' rookie, when indeed the player has many cards that came before it. Take this one for instance:
1978 Topps Dale Murphy RC Hand-Signed Rookie Card 1/1
I also wouldn't want to deal with someone selling an AUTHENTIC 1952 TOPPS MICKEY MANTLE and then open the auction to find in the description that it is an AUTHENTIC REPRINT. The seller is correct, it is an authentic reprint, he's disclosed it as a reprint within the auction. However he's been misleading.
A qualifier ignores a certain defunct condition of the card and the PSA grade shows how it grades ignoring the fault.
19XX Topps #NNN John Doe PSA N OC
How is that too long?
1977 Topps Star Wars - "Space Swashbucklers"
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There is always someone else who will willing to buy, after you or any other naysayer. As my mamma used to tell me, you are only spiting yourself. I find this thread hilarious. >>
Actually, you are the one spiting yourself. Sellers have and will always need buyers more than the other way around. By alienating a large amount of potential buyers from all your listings because you refuse to 'properly' list one single, solitary card, you are in fact costing yourself money. And what I find hilarious is that the remedy for this practice which so many find objectionable is to simply put the OC designation in the listing. What's so hard about that if you are truly not looking to deceive anyone? It would cost nothing more than a few extra keystrokes and would likely result in an increase of bidders.
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No doubt.
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If enough folks are troubled by the circumstance, EBAY
will change the current policy and require sellers to list
the ACTUAL full-grade of Qd cards.
It would be easy to sell T&S on the notion that they
could "fight fraud" without spending a penny.
A PSA 9 (OC) is NOT a PSA 9. (It is a piece of JUNK that
will FAIL to hold ANY value as time passes. Doubters
need only look at the history of stamp grading and
valuation to understand the worth of "problem items.")
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If enough folks are troubled by the circumstance, EBAY
will change the current policy and require sellers to list
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It would be easy to sell T&S on the notion that they
could "fight fraud" without spending a penny.
A PSA 9 (OC) is NOT a PSA 9. (It is a piece of JUNK that
will FAIL to hold ANY value as time passes. Doubters
need only look at the history of stamp grading and
valuation to understand the worth of "problem items.") >>
Sounds more like a PSA problem than an eBay problem. Why grade a 7 a 9 in the first place. Like was said before, this is about people being lazy, plain and simple. Oh the humanity, someone left off the OC in their listing title! They are cheats and frauds! (meanwhile there are REAL eBay issues that need to be taken care of)
I'm a card collector and I bought an OC card by mistake. A seller had a bunch of PSA 8 cards listed I needed. All the titles had PSA 8 with no mention of qualifiers. I opened the first card, looked at the picture, read the terms for multiple auction wins, and then placed a snipe bid. I then opened up all the other cards I needed and as quickly as possible placed snipe bids for the other cards I needed. I won a pile of cards and when I got them I was surprised to see a couple qualified cards. No mention in the title or description, but there it was in the picture. When I contacted the seller inquiring about a return I discovered it was all my fault for not looking at the picture. Stupid me, but smart enough to file with PayPal and not bother with him again.
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I'm a card collector and I bought an OC card by mistake. A seller had a bunch of PSA 8 cards listed I needed. All the titles had PSA 8 with no mention of qualifiers. I opened the first card, looked at the picture, read the terms for multiple auction wins, and then placed a snipe bid. I then opened up all the other cards I needed and as quickly as possible placed snipe bids for the other cards I needed. I won a pile of cards and when I got them I was surprised to see a couple qualified cards. No mention in the title or description, but there it was in the picture. When I contacted the seller inquiring about a return I discovered it was all my fault for not looking at the picture. Stupid me, but smart enough to file with PayPal and not bother with him again. >>
Clearly not mentioning it in the eBay specs or description is not what we are talking about here. That is completely misleading.
Says the person who can't summon the energy to type the letters "O" and "C" when writing up a listing, thereby saving hundreds of others the trouble of clicking on an item they otherwise would have no intention of buying. Yes, the issue could be as simple as laziness.
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PSA will grade nearly every card submitted. Cards having significant flaws will receive "qualified" grades... >>
A significant flaw... This is why it is part of the grade. So if you state a PSA 9 MC is a PSA 9 in the title, then you've lied as a PSA 9 does not have significant flaws.
<< <i>Like was said before, this is about people being lazy, plain and simple.
Says the person who can't summon the energy to type the letters "O" and "C" when writing up a listing, thereby saving hundreds of others the trouble of clicking on an item they otherwise would have no intention of buying. Yes, the issue could be as simple as laziness. >>
I've already stated I don't put it in the title because no one searches OC.
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As is titling a card PSA 9 when it really has a significant flaw. >>
Do you put a card's flaws in the title when selling an ungraded card??? Do people search "creases" on eBay???
<< <i>Do you put a card's flaws in the title when selling an ungraded card??? Do people search "creases" on eBay??? >>
I also wouldn't call a card MINT when it has a significant flaw.... it's called ethics and some people have them.
<< <i>The problem here is some people are equating an eBay TITLE to the DESCRIPTION. >>
No, the problem here is that a small minorty seem to think that PSA 9 is the same thing as PSA 9 OC. So it's ok to include a partial grade in the title.
PSA 9 = MINT
PSA 9 Q= Significant Flaw, but otherwise mint.
I always search with -OC, -MC, etc because I don't collect that crap. I know some people on the board collect MC, so they likely search for MC. I'm sure others don't care about centering and may be more likely to buy OC, since they can get it a lot cheaper.
The "rules" seem pretty clear to me.
EBAY TOS:
Titles
Keep listing titles and subtitles clear and 100% accurate.
Being honest about what you're selling helps buyers find exactly what they're looking for.
Avoid giving false details just to attract people to your listing.
Remember that inaccurate or misleading titles aren't allowed on eBay.
Not allowed:
Confusing or unclear titles or subtitles.
Incorrect or inconsistent information, for example:
Misrepresenting an item in the title or subtitle.
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Lies By Omission - The most common form of deception is omission.
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EBAY TOS:
Titles
Keep listing titles and subtitles clear and 100% accurate.
Being honest about what you're selling helps buyers find exactly what they're looking for.
Avoid giving false details just to attract people to your listing.
Remember that inaccurate or misleading titles aren't allowed on eBay.
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Confusing or unclear titles or subtitles.
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So why don't you make a thread against all the people who use the bare minimum in their titles. No more "MICKEY MANTLE CARD" titles! No more "BASEBALL CARD" titles! Uh oh, someone didn't add Topps in the title... how will you know who made the card??? OMG, someone didn't put that that card was a RC card... these people are frauds and scammers! lol You guys are a trip. You should return every card you ever got a steal on with a non-descriptive title. I'll bet you won't though, because you are talking out your asses.
"...So why don't you make a thread against all the people who use the bare minimum in their titles. No more "MICKEY MANTLE CARD" titles! No more "BASEBALL CARD" titles! Uh oh, someone didn't add Topps in the title... how will you know who made the card??? OMG, someone didn't put that that card was a RC card... these people are frauds and scammers! lol You guys are a trip. You should return every card you ever got a steal on with a non-descriptive title. I'll bet you won't though, because you are talking out your asses..."
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There is a HUGE difference between an "incompetently drafted title,"
and a title that is DELIBERATELY deceptive.
Everybody knows that.
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There is a HUGE difference between an "incompetently drafted title,"
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Everybody knows that. >>
So if someone is selling a Topps baseball card and doesn't have the word Topps in the title, will you not know what company produced the card?
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and a title that is DELIBERATELY deceptive.
Everybody knows that. >>
not to mention that 1 is still 100% accurate
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We search for cards we want......not cards we do not want. Also, I search against cards I do not want by adding a minus sign (-) in my search description so that I DO NOT have to see cards with qualifiers come up. When a card is not listed as OC but comes up I feel deceived and cheated. AS pointed out earlier a 9OC card has a value of a psa 6 or 7. When a card has a value in the hundreds of dollars or even thousands....the difference in dollars can be tremendous and only 20% of the straight psa 9 value.
It literally would be like looking to buy a brand new 2010 car and search for 2010 in your description. Then a 1997 card comes up in your search (worth only about 20% of a new one). Want to buy this one Mr Sportscardtheory? Go into a car dealership and say to a salesman, " I have $40K to spend on a 2010 Dodge ram truck 4x4 and he stops at a 1997 and says, She's a beauty and in mint condition for only $40K. Would you feel deceived?
This all reminds me of recent TV commercials by a bank. A child gets a new bike but the man in the commercial says, "you can't ride it outside this small rectangle on the floor." The kids has the look of being cheated "by the small print."
The bigger picture is I am witnessing in this country a gradual decline or values and morality. I am glad to see 95% of these board members are decent honest folk. The other 5%....well I hope ebay catches up with you. But as pointed out in a previous reply that omitting the qualifier is well within ebay guidelines......Often it seems ebay cares more about it's bottom line that what is right or wrong.
1948-76 Topps FB Sets
FB & BB HOF Player sets
1948-1993 NY Yankee Team Sets
As a buyer I always look at the picture before bidding, and if it is blurry that is a major warning that something shady is going on.
<< <i>Nobody searches for an OC. Correct. Nobody searches for a 1966 Topps # 010 Piece of crap ny yankees psa 9oc either.
We search for cards we want......not cards we do not want. Also, I search against cards I do not want by adding a minus sign (-) in my search description so that I DO NOT have to see cards with qualifiers come up. When a card is not listed as OC but comes up I feel deceived and cheated. AS pointed out earlier a 9OC card has a value of a psa 6 or 7. When a card has a value in the hundreds of dollars or even thousands....the difference in dollars can be tremendous and only 20% of the straight psa 9 value.
It literally would be like looking to buy a brand new 2010 car and search for 2010 in your description. Then a 1997 card comes up in your search (worth only about 20% of a new one). Want to buy this one Mr Sportscardtheory? Go into a car dealership and say to a salesman, " I have $40K to spend on a 2010 Dodge ram truck 4x4 and he stops at a 1997 and says, She's a beauty and in mint condition for only $40K. Would you feel deceived?
This all reminds me of recent TV commercials by a bank. A child gets a new bike but the man in the commercial says, "you can't ride it outside this small rectangle on the floor." The kids has the look of being cheated "by the small print."
The bigger picture is I am witnessing in this country a gradual decline or values and morality. I am glad to see 95% of these board members are decent honest folk. The other 5%....well I hope ebay catches up with you. But as pointed out in a previous reply that omitting the qualifier is well within ebay guidelines......Often it seems ebay cares more about it's bottom line that what is right or wrong. >>
This diatribe is meaningless. Why don't you use your energy arguing against something that actually matters and isn't simply a minor inconvenience that is not against eBay policy. I mean, come on already. You act as though this is one of the most fraudulent things someone can possibly do on eBay when the truth is, it's merely a difference of opinion on what to put in your title. You can't force people to put things in their titles they don't want to put in their titles. They are well within the eBay guidelines, so pick another topic to stand behind... this one isn't ever going to change. I love how people act like it is a "moral" issue... LOL. We are talking about views on an eBay listing for crying out loud. As long as the Qualifier is in the scan, eBay specs and description, there is no fraud being perpetrated here. I'm as honest as they come and I omitted the Qualifier on two of my items because it simply doesn't HAVE to be there taking up title space. If you don't want to buy the card, move on... no crime happening here. Again, some of you REALLY need to get off your high horses and come back down to reality.
P.S. I have come across NUMEROUS eBay listings that don't have the PSA Qualifier in the title and I REALLY don't give two shi*s, I simply move on. I guess I'm just not an eBay snob.
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The bigger picture is I am witnessing in this country a gradual decline or values and morality. >>
you must live in semi-regressive part of our American culture.....out here, we hit bottom long ago.
<< <i>I always search with -OC, -MC, etc because I don't collect that crap. I know some people on the board collect MC, so they likely search for MC. I'm sure others don't care about centering and may be more likely to buy OC, since they can get it a lot cheaper. >>
The sad part of that is when someone has a BUY IT NOW, and is asking a shade under what a unqualified one goes for. It should be SUBSTANIALLY less.....
<< <i>Here is a perfect example...no mention of o/c in title or body of auction!
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" Last time I looked only a few cards were graded Mint 9's with no 10's! With a card this special do you really want to settle for less? As with all of our offerings...if you're not completely satisfied let us know. We'll cheerfully issue you a refund...it's that simple!"
Well thanks for waisting my time looking at this "MINT 9" card. I want to send for a refund
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