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(: Engelhard Silver Bar gurus... is this authentic? (LARGE PIX) :)

SpaceMonkeySpaceMonkey Posts: 3,311 ✭
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this does not look right to me... but it is just a gut feeling... has "the silver look and feel"

but 2 things stand out to me...

1) logo looks off from what I normally see (it is straight and not slanted like normally seen)
2) on the back it has a reverse stamp (like a die clash on a coin) but if these are poured, what would cause that? also something i have not encountered
in addition it looks to say 25 ozt on the backwards stamp.... quite odd.

thoughts?



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  • WeissWeiss Posts: 9,942 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Hmmm.

    If Engelhard used a die and lever or screw press to stamp their name on bars, which I imagine they did, and they let that die stamp down on their machining table just once without a bar in place, it seems like it would leave the imprint which would transfer to the bottom of a soft silver bar with each subsequent stamping.

    It does look a little strange. But it doesn't seem entirely questionable.

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  • carscars Posts: 1,904
    The shape looks odd for that type of bar but it maybe your pics. I'm sure its silver & 5 t oz. Probably just a reject that didn't get remelted. I couldn't see any reason to fake an Engelhard 5 oz bar unless you weren't using real silver. Its not like that bar sells for a large premium. I probably would pass on it unless it was priced @ spot.
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  • GoldsmidGoldsmid Posts: 34
    It's real. I have one like it.
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  • Norseman88Norseman88 Posts: 962
    I like it, you want to sell it??
  • SpaceMonkeySpaceMonkey Posts: 3,311 ✭
    thanks for your input folks... I guess I will just assume it to be ok... hey it's only 5oz, right? just seemed a bit odd to me from the other Engelhards I have seen.


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  • mkman123mkman123 Posts: 6,849 ✭✭✭✭
    looks fine, just looks double stamped and all, that happens and I've seen that with many old pour bars.
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  • SpaceMonkeySpaceMonkey Posts: 3,311 ✭
    keep in mind the main thing that made me scratch my head is the logo... maybe they changed it over the years? the ones i have seen are all slanted words... this is all straight.



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  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 33,680 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Hmmm.

    If Engelhard used a die and lever or screw press to stamp their name on bars, which I imagine they did, and they let that die stamp down on their machining table just once without a bar in place, it seems like it would leave the imprint which would transfer to the bottom of a soft silver bar with each subsequent stamping.

    It does look a little strange. But it doesn't seem entirely questionable. >>



    Sounds logical. Sort of like a clash mark on a coin. The stamping die hit the backing plate.
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  • mkman123mkman123 Posts: 6,849 ✭✭✭✭
    No need to look any further, its mine image I will send it to PCGS to grade it imageimageimage j/k
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