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19Lyds19Lyds Posts: 26,497 ✭✭✭✭
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The folks on the CONECA Mint Error forums are calling this one a counterfeit yet the bids continue to pile on!

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I decided to change calling the bathroom the John and renamed it the Jim. I feel so much better saying I went to the Jim this morning.



The name is LEE!

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  • FredWeinbergFredWeinberg Posts: 6,025 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Yes, as discussed there, it is a counterfiet second strike;

    I believe these were made in the late 1960's, here in
    Southern Calif.

    There are lots of NG Silver Quarter errors, mostly with
    no dates showing, but the D mintmark on the reverse;
    lots of 1964, or No Dated Silver Kennedy Halves;

    There are characteristics to them to make the proper
    determination of their 'falseness'.....
    Retired Collector & Dealer in Major Mint Error Coins & Currency since the 1960's.Co-Author of Whitman's "100 Greatest U.S. Mint Error Coins", and the Error Coin Encyclopedia, Vols., III & IV. Retired Authenticator for Major Mint Errors for PCGS. A 50+ Year PNG Member.A full-time numismatist since 1972, retired in 2022.
  • MrEurekaMrEureka Posts: 24,667 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Yes, as discussed there, it is a counterfiet second strike

    Wasn't it the first strike that was off center?
    Andy Lustig

    Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.

    Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.
  • BroadstruckBroadstruck Posts: 30,497 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Here's a link from a thread from last year, as I recall the fake sold for $690.

    The example on EBay NOW is once again being offered by the SAME seller.

    1964 D/S WASHIE ON EBAY SMELLS FUNKY
    To Err Is Human.... To Collect Err's Is Just Too Much Darn Tootin Fun!
  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 33,768 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Yes, as discussed there, it is a counterfiet second strike;

    I believe these were made in the late 1960's, here in
    Southern Calif.

    There are lots of NG Silver Quarter errors, mostly with
    no dates showing, but the D mintmark on the reverse;
    lots of 1964, or No Dated Silver Kennedy Halves;

    There are characteristics to them to make the proper
    determination of their 'falseness'..... >>



    You know, Fred, those 1964-era false die errors, usually cents, were awfully darn good as far as the die quality was concerned. Do you have any particular reason to believe that the dies were made in Southern California, and not Beirut or even Switzerland? The false overstriking of course could have been done anywhere.
    Tom
    Numismatist. 54 year member ANA. Former ANA Senior Authenticator. Winner of four ANA Heath Literary Awards; three Wayte and Olga Raymond Literary Awards; Numismatist of the Year Award 2009, and ANA Lifetime Achievement Award 2020. Also won the PNG's Robert Friedberg Award for "The Enigmatic Lincoln Cents of 1922," Available now from Whitman or Amazon.
  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 33,768 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Yes, as discussed there, it is a counterfiet second strike

    Wasn't it the first strike that was off center? >>



    No, because the off-center strike made the piece out of round. It would never have gotten into the collar for the normal strike.
    TD
    Numismatist. 54 year member ANA. Former ANA Senior Authenticator. Winner of four ANA Heath Literary Awards; three Wayte and Olga Raymond Literary Awards; Numismatist of the Year Award 2009, and ANA Lifetime Achievement Award 2020. Also won the PNG's Robert Friedberg Award for "The Enigmatic Lincoln Cents of 1922," Available now from Whitman or Amazon.
  • MrEurekaMrEureka Posts: 24,667 ✭✭✭✭✭
    One thought on the alleged "doubled die" aspect of the off-center strike. If I am correct that the off-center strike was first and not second, I could easily see the second strike causing the appearance of doubling as metal was drawn into the recesses of the die. The right side of the motto from the first strike was essentially sitting on the edge of a cliff as the dies came down a second time.
    Andy Lustig

    Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.

    Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.
  • BroadstruckBroadstruck Posts: 30,497 ✭✭✭✭✭
    If anyone wants to gain more info on these fake errors produced in the 1960's you can pick up a copy of Volume 1 Detecting Counterfeit Coins by Lonesome John Devine.
    To Err Is Human.... To Collect Err's Is Just Too Much Darn Tootin Fun!
  • intenceintence Posts: 1,255 ✭
    counterfeit or not, that is a pretty cool error.
    image
  • MrEurekaMrEureka Posts: 24,667 ✭✭✭✭✭
    the off-center strike made the piece out of round. It would never have gotten into the collar for the normal strike.

    Ah, I see that. The reeding is all there.

    So is it correct to say that the absence of the dies' peripheral detail on the second strike was a function of the counterfeit dies shifting off their vertical alignment as they came down on the coin?
    Andy Lustig

    Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.

    Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.
  • braddickbraddick Posts: 25,082 ✭✭✭✭✭
    That quarter would make a cool pocket piece.
  • 19Lyds19Lyds Posts: 26,497 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>That quarter would make a cool pocket piece. >>



    That quarter should be destroyed IMO since folks have been duped for some serious money thinking it was authentic.

    How would one go about getting that thing off the market? Buy it and then claim it was counterfeit and submit a paypal claim?
    I decided to change calling the bathroom the John and renamed it the Jim. I feel so much better saying I went to the Jim this morning.



    The name is LEE!
  • 19Lyds19Lyds Posts: 26,497 ✭✭✭✭
    I've reported the item pointing to the CONECA thread.

    Maybe Fred knows somebody at eBay??
    I decided to change calling the bathroom the John and renamed it the Jim. I feel so much better saying I went to the Jim this morning.



    The name is LEE!
  • fivecentsfivecents Posts: 11,207 ✭✭✭✭✭
    It looks so real, it makes you wonder....how as it made??
  • YaHaYaHa Posts: 4,220 ✭
    Fred is ebay.. He's is the master of all domains in the coin world...

    Really there's not much Fred, or Sally can do.. It's good people like you Lee and others that bring these criminal act to light..

    Keep up the good job and lets zapped these low lifes where it hurts the most on here and all businesses customer service relations.
  • BearBear Posts: 18,953 ✭✭✭
    Since the quarter has twin, double struck, devices,

    would it now be the equal to a 50cent piece?image
    There once was a place called
    Camelotimage
  • 19Lyds19Lyds Posts: 26,497 ✭✭✭✭
    Hmmmm. Someone must have contacted the seller as all bids were cancelled and the auction ended.
    I decided to change calling the bathroom the John and renamed it the Jim. I feel so much better saying I went to the Jim this morning.



    The name is LEE!
  • braddickbraddick Posts: 25,082 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Hmmmm. Someone must have contacted the seller as all bids were cancelled and the auction ended. >>



    I was in communications, but imagine it took more than one gentle message to be persuasive.
  • gonzergonzer Posts: 3,079 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Fred, was a fellow in the Anaheim area with the initials 'D.W.' involved in these? I remember in the early 70's he happened to have a hoard of '63 Lincoln multi-strikes and '64 Washington DS's. The word at the time was to avoid this person and his wares.

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