Be careful out there Folks!

19Lyds

The folks on the CONECA Mint Error forums are calling this one a counterfeit yet the bids continue to pile on!

FredWeinberg

Yes, as discussed there, it is a counterfiet second strike;

I believe these were made in the late 1960's, here in
Southern Calif.

There are lots of NG Silver Quarter errors, mostly with
no dates showing, but the D mintmark on the reverse;
lots of 1964, or No Dated Silver Kennedy Halves;

There are characteristics to them to make the proper
determination of their 'falseness'.....

MrEureka

Yes, as discussed there, it is a counterfiet second strike

Wasn't it the first strike that was off center?

Broadstruck

Here's a link from a thread from last year, as I recall the fake sold for $690.

The example on EBay NOW is once again being offered by the SAME seller.

1964 D/S WASHIE ON EBAY SMELLS FUNKY

CaptHenway

<< <i>Yes, as discussed there, it is a counterfiet second strike;

I believe these were made in the late 1960's, here in
Southern Calif.

There are lots of NG Silver Quarter errors, mostly with
no dates showing, but the D mintmark on the reverse;
lots of 1964, or No Dated Silver Kennedy Halves;

There are characteristics to them to make the proper
determination of their 'falseness'..... >>



You know, Fred, those 1964-era false die errors, usually cents, were awfully darn good as far as the die quality was concerned. Do you have any particular reason to believe that the dies were made in Southern California, and not Beirut or even Switzerland? The false overstriking of course could have been done anywhere.
Tom

CaptHenway

<< <i>Yes, as discussed there, it is a counterfiet second strike

Wasn't it the first strike that was off center? >>



No, because the off-center strike made the piece out of round. It would never have gotten into the collar for the normal strike.
TD

MrEureka

One thought on the alleged "doubled die" aspect of the off-center strike. If I am correct that the off-center strike was first and not second, I could easily see the second strike causing the appearance of doubling as metal was drawn into the recesses of the die. The right side of the motto from the first strike was essentially sitting on the edge of a cliff as the dies came down a second time.

Broadstruck

If anyone wants to gain more info on these fake errors produced in the 1960's you can pick up a copy of Volume 1 Detecting Counterfeit Coins by Lonesome John Devine.

intence

counterfeit or not, that is a pretty cool error.

MrEureka

the off-center strike made the piece out of round. It would never have gotten into the collar for the normal strike.

Ah, I see that. The reeding is all there.

So is it correct to say that the absence of the dies' peripheral detail on the second strike was a function of the counterfeit dies shifting off their vertical alignment as they came down on the coin?

braddick

That quarter would make a cool pocket piece.

19Lyds

<< <i>That quarter would make a cool pocket piece. >>



That quarter should be destroyed IMO since folks have been duped for some serious money thinking it was authentic.

How would one go about getting that thing off the market? Buy it and then claim it was counterfeit and submit a paypal claim?

19Lyds

I've reported the item pointing to the CONECA thread.

Maybe Fred knows somebody at eBay??

fivecents

It looks so real, it makes you wonder....how as it made??

YaHa

Fred is ebay.. He's is the master of all domains in the coin world...

Really there's not much Fred, or Sally can do.. It's good people like you Lee and others that bring these criminal act to light..

Keep up the good job and lets zapped these low lifes where it hurts the most on here and all businesses customer service relations.

Bear

Since the quarter has twin, double struck, devices,

would it now be the equal to a 50cent piece?

19Lyds

Hmmmm. Someone must have contacted the seller as all bids were cancelled and the auction ended.

braddick

<< <i>Hmmmm. Someone must have contacted the seller as all bids were cancelled and the auction ended. >>



I was in communications, but imagine it took more than one gentle message to be persuasive.

gonzer

Fred, was a fellow in the Anaheim area with the initials 'D.W.' involved in these? I remember in the early 70's he happened to have a hoard of '63 Lincoln multi-strikes and '64 Washington DS's. The word at the time was to avoid this person and his wares.