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To All Fellow Board Members: Collecting with my Kids
sfmays24
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Hello to all,
I have been collecting raw 1974-82 Topps & 1977 OPC Baseball sets (along with Topps SF Giants Teams set), 1973-1975 Topps Wacky Packages and occasional SF 49ers Teams set with my two Boys over the past few years. We have acquired approx 60% via trades, 20% via purchases and 20% as gifts... nearly all deals made here on these boards (some on N54, ebay, ect).
Over the past few days, some board members have questioned or made accusations that I don't even have kids and that this is all BS to acquire cards. I usually ignore such comments that come from cowards hiding behind computer screens, but I feel it's now time to respond since I care about my good name and being a member of this community.
For those who have made these accusations, this post is not for you... please feel free to continue to believe what you wish. Instead, this post is for all those folks who have helped us and those who collect with their kids (or might like to someday).
I had posted a photo of my kids for a contest last year sometime and my Wife got a bit upset... I told her I wouldn't post any others. Well, last week I brought my Baby girl to meet Danica Patrick and then posted some photos (see thread below), a board member questioned whether or not I really had two Boys (they missed out because of school).
http://forums.collectors.com/messageview.cfm?catid=11&threadid=735721&highlight_key=y
After talking with my Wife today, we decided to ask my Boys what they thought we should do... they both agreed that we should post a message and show everyone our collection. They of course did not understand why some folks don't believe us, but I have taught them that it is always best to stand up for yourself (especially when someone is trying to bully you).
Here are some photos of my three children with our modest collection, I hope you enjoy them and understand why I'm posting this message.
Here's our Wacky Packages, thanks to Mike (smallstocks) for getting us started.
http://i390.photobucket.com/albums/oo350/sfmays24/Img_8709.jpg?t=1251578173
Some recent sets, thanks to Rob (fattymacs) for the latest Goudey starter set.
http://i390.photobucket.com/albums/oo350/sfmays24/Img_8710.jpg?t=1251578234
Our 1959 Fleer Ted Williams set (minus card #68).
http://i390.photobucket.com/albums/oo350/sfmays24/Img_8711.jpg?t=1251578257
Comparing stats...
http://i390.photobucket.com/albums/oo350/sfmays24/Img_8712.jpg?t=1251578288
SF Giants & SF 49ers Team Sets.
http://i390.photobucket.com/albums/oo350/sfmays24/Img_8713.jpg?t=1251577855
http://i390.photobucket.com/albums/oo350/sfmays24/Img_8714.jpg?t=1251577924
Searching for a favorite card to show off.
http://i390.photobucket.com/albums/oo350/sfmays24/Img_8715.jpg?t=1251577983
Happy Collectors showing their 1974-82 Topps & 1977 OPC Baseball sets, thanks to Duncan Harvey for getting us started 3 years ago.
http://i390.photobucket.com/albums/oo350/sfmays24/Img_8716.jpg?t=1251578030
http://i390.photobucket.com/albums/oo350/sfmays24/Img_8717.jpg?t=1251578111
http://i390.photobucket.com/albums/oo350/sfmays24/Img_8718.jpg?t=1251578137
Thanks again to all the terrific collectors for helping us out over the past several years.
Mike & Kids
PS: I sent this message to a board member who questioned my honesty, the offer is good for anyone who is interested:
I prefer to think your comments are not only genuine, but humorous as well... as with so many other post over the years. However, if it is more than that and you making some type of accusation... I must let you know that I don't think much of any accusation, or comment from people who hide behind computer screens.
I prefer to face such people in person, so I will make you this offer... you are welcome to come to my home and meet my Family and view our modest collection of raw Topps sets, raw SF Giants Team sets and a few graded cards as well. If you cannot make it, but know a fellow board member who lives in the SF Bay area (who feels the same way as you about me or my posts) they are welcome as well (as long as this will satisfy you).
Posting photos of my Boys will simply not satisfy you, or others who might question my sincerity... will I need to post Birth Certificates to prove they are my kids, or proof of residence as well?
Again, I thank you for the offer to help and I apologize if you are not making such allegations.
Mike
I have been collecting raw 1974-82 Topps & 1977 OPC Baseball sets (along with Topps SF Giants Teams set), 1973-1975 Topps Wacky Packages and occasional SF 49ers Teams set with my two Boys over the past few years. We have acquired approx 60% via trades, 20% via purchases and 20% as gifts... nearly all deals made here on these boards (some on N54, ebay, ect).
Over the past few days, some board members have questioned or made accusations that I don't even have kids and that this is all BS to acquire cards. I usually ignore such comments that come from cowards hiding behind computer screens, but I feel it's now time to respond since I care about my good name and being a member of this community.
For those who have made these accusations, this post is not for you... please feel free to continue to believe what you wish. Instead, this post is for all those folks who have helped us and those who collect with their kids (or might like to someday).
I had posted a photo of my kids for a contest last year sometime and my Wife got a bit upset... I told her I wouldn't post any others. Well, last week I brought my Baby girl to meet Danica Patrick and then posted some photos (see thread below), a board member questioned whether or not I really had two Boys (they missed out because of school).
http://forums.collectors.com/messageview.cfm?catid=11&threadid=735721&highlight_key=y
After talking with my Wife today, we decided to ask my Boys what they thought we should do... they both agreed that we should post a message and show everyone our collection. They of course did not understand why some folks don't believe us, but I have taught them that it is always best to stand up for yourself (especially when someone is trying to bully you).
Here are some photos of my three children with our modest collection, I hope you enjoy them and understand why I'm posting this message.
Here's our Wacky Packages, thanks to Mike (smallstocks) for getting us started.
http://i390.photobucket.com/albums/oo350/sfmays24/Img_8709.jpg?t=1251578173
Some recent sets, thanks to Rob (fattymacs) for the latest Goudey starter set.
http://i390.photobucket.com/albums/oo350/sfmays24/Img_8710.jpg?t=1251578234
Our 1959 Fleer Ted Williams set (minus card #68).
http://i390.photobucket.com/albums/oo350/sfmays24/Img_8711.jpg?t=1251578257
Comparing stats...
http://i390.photobucket.com/albums/oo350/sfmays24/Img_8712.jpg?t=1251578288
SF Giants & SF 49ers Team Sets.
http://i390.photobucket.com/albums/oo350/sfmays24/Img_8713.jpg?t=1251577855
http://i390.photobucket.com/albums/oo350/sfmays24/Img_8714.jpg?t=1251577924
Searching for a favorite card to show off.
http://i390.photobucket.com/albums/oo350/sfmays24/Img_8715.jpg?t=1251577983
Happy Collectors showing their 1974-82 Topps & 1977 OPC Baseball sets, thanks to Duncan Harvey for getting us started 3 years ago.
http://i390.photobucket.com/albums/oo350/sfmays24/Img_8716.jpg?t=1251578030
http://i390.photobucket.com/albums/oo350/sfmays24/Img_8717.jpg?t=1251578111
http://i390.photobucket.com/albums/oo350/sfmays24/Img_8718.jpg?t=1251578137
Thanks again to all the terrific collectors for helping us out over the past several years.
Mike & Kids
PS: I sent this message to a board member who questioned my honesty, the offer is good for anyone who is interested:
I prefer to think your comments are not only genuine, but humorous as well... as with so many other post over the years. However, if it is more than that and you making some type of accusation... I must let you know that I don't think much of any accusation, or comment from people who hide behind computer screens.
I prefer to face such people in person, so I will make you this offer... you are welcome to come to my home and meet my Family and view our modest collection of raw Topps sets, raw SF Giants Team sets and a few graded cards as well. If you cannot make it, but know a fellow board member who lives in the SF Bay area (who feels the same way as you about me or my posts) they are welcome as well (as long as this will satisfy you).
Posting photos of my Boys will simply not satisfy you, or others who might question my sincerity... will I need to post Birth Certificates to prove they are my kids, or proof of residence as well?
Again, I thank you for the offer to help and I apologize if you are not making such allegations.
Mike
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Just kidding Mike. Great pictures. People really want to see bad in others these days. It's a shame.
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Kyle with the Lowell Devils, Devil Dawg, Kyle is the short one:
On the ice at Verizon Wireless Arena in Manchester NH, shirt of the back night, we got #2 Andrew "Soupy" Campbell, tall guy on the far left:
On the Zamboni in Lowell:
At Fenway, for Futures at Fenway game:
It is sad that there are people out there who would try to use 'fake kids' for honest people's trust and giving nature.
It is equally as sad that people are so skeptical that they think everyone is trying to 'pull the fleece' over everyon'es eyes.
It is pretty depressing that a thread like this even has to be posted because of shady people.
BTW those are some awesome pictures posted! Those guys (and 1 gal) look like the come from a loving family. Best of luck on your collections! It isawesome to be able to share the hobby and passion with someone. Some of the best times I had were trading with good buddies or ripping packs with g/f's! (maybe that's why I don't have one? lol)
2000 Bowman Chrome
2002 Topps Heritage NAP
2003 Topps Heritage chrome and seat relics
2006 Topps Heritage refractors and relics
2007 Topps Heritage refractors and relics
2008 Topps Heritage refractors and relics
2006 Topps Heritage and Topps Chrome football
Sharing with the kids is what it is all about! Well done, sir.
Robert
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You didn't have to do all that.
IMO - it's up to the accuser to come up with the proof.
I hope no one else has to defend themselves in this manner.
mike
edit: PS - I did enjoy the photos! Sweet children.
Jeff
Miscut Museum
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I can certainly see why Mike would take offense to this, and for that I apologize. As I told him in a PM, I was just having a little fun with another board member and never really meant anything by it. I apologize if his family was caused any stress by this situation.
Lee
Here's one of the things I found neat about the show. We stopped by the Legendary booth and Melissa (who did a Jackie Robinson report in the 3rd grade and has picked up several modern cards of him since) spotted his '49 Bowman SGC98 card. The man who overheard us talking about the card opened the case, pulled it out and let her hold it. She turned over the card, saw the $47,000 tag on it and very carefully handed it back. Then she got a picture taken while holding a T206 Wagner (not me...but my daughter). To top it all off, a passing gentleman asked if it was okay if he gave her some free autograph tickets (he was a VIP pass holder but didn't need them). Saying it was nice to see a father sharing his hobby with a daughter, she should have the chance to get autographs too.
I quickly found a baseball for $5 and we spent the next few hours meeting Joe Charbonneau, Lee May, Sonny Siebert and Rick Reuschel. The next day Don Schwall added his sig to the ball and Bob Feller signed it when he came in on Sunday.
To top it all off, dealers Wayne Johnson and J.D. Heckathorn worked out a deal with Melissa: almost 100 pieces from the 1971 Topps coin set in exchange for Melissa's smile. Now she wants to work on the complete set...she even had me make a wantlist for her.
New blood in our hobby...it's something that should be the rule, not the exception.
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R73 1933 Goudey Indian Gum - Series 288 - Nos. 118
Also looking for 1953 Parkhurst & 1953 Quaker Oats Ripley's BION.
If you have any available for sale PM me
They like sports, but I support whatever they like too.
Love the Zamboni driver ! (Bruins hat is a good touch)
The Bay area has lots of sports to choose from ... I hope you get to go to a S.J. EarthQuakes game too.
cheers
Cute kids!
Pleeeeeeze say hi to your kids for me!
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Happy collecting with your kids!
rd
Quicksilver Messenger Service - Smokestack Lightning (Live) 1968
Quicksilver Messenger Service - The Hat (Live) 1971
I envy you. My sons (whom I love dearly) are grown now and have never displayed any interest in card collecting, so I've had to go it alone all these years. It's cool that you can all share in the fun together. At the risk of sounding too syrupy, be sure to hold and hug your kids as much as you can. They'll grow up so fast and soon won't let you smooch 'em!
Great looking family.
Brett
Lee, this post was not because of what you wrote... I accepted your explanation and considered the matter closed.
After reading comments from two other members, I just thought it was time to do something. More so for all the good folks on these boards, as I value the relationships I have built over the years with them... their opinions do matter to me.
thanks again,
Mike & Kids
Your Kyle was born to be a hockey player. He looks like a real bruiser! (Meant as a sincere compliment.)
just kidding you blessed with a beautiful family, enjoy them
collecting RAW Topps baseball cards 1952 Highs to 1972. looking for collector grade (somewhere between psa 4-7 condition). let me know what you have, I'll take it, I want to finish sets, I must have something you can use for trade.
looking for Topps 71-72 hi's-62-53-54-55-59, I have these sets started
The part that pizzes most people off is the fact that you actually try to make us believe that your oldest child at the age of 8 or 9 actually wanted to collect early 1970's OPC cards. Really? Do you really think we are that dumb.
How many meaningful or helpful posts have come from you? All of your posts are similar to former members like "Cool thread" and "Sorry this happened to you".
ALL of your posts on the BST board are begging for free cards to complete sets that you and "the boys" are working on. Once again, I am sure a few 8 or 9 year old boys care about finishining off a 1972 OPC or 1975 Topps set.
<< <i>ALL of your posts on the BST board are begging for free cards to complete sets that you and "the boys" are working on. Once again, I am sure a few 8 or 9 year old boys care about finishining off a 1972 OPC or 1975 Topps set. >>
Funny you mention '75 Topps. My own daughter started picking up 1975 Topps cards when she was 6 because she liked the colors. She took a few from my dupes box to get started and still has a handful. She's also picking up 1971 Topps coins and 1956 Topps Presidents and those are two sets she wants to complete.
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him.
Steve
THANKS KID!
However, your family is beautiful and thanks very much for sharing the photos.
-Brian
I would love to post all the PM's I have received since I posted my comments. It seems every PM from Mike and "the boys" is basically begging for free cards. Mike and "the boys" never seem to want to give up any cards in a trade unless the trade is strongly in his....or ummm....their favor.
Again, if forum users think his sons started collecting cards at the age of 2 or 3, then the lack of common sense here astonishes me.
I would post the many PM's I have received since my original post, but they are called private messages for a reason.
Requests for free cards aside, you are missing the boat on this one. It's not a matter of Mike's young boys wanting to specifically collect early '70's OPC cards or any others for that matter. It's about father and sons spending time together doing an activity they all enjoy. Clearly, Mike sets the agenda, but shares the hobby (and his time) with his sons.
How do kid's spell love? T-i-m-e. It's all about spending time with your kids. That's how they know they're loved.
<< <i>It's about father and sons spending time together doing an activity they all enjoy. Clearly, Mike sets the agenda, but shares the hobby (and his time) with his sons. >>
Or he is exploiting the fact that he has 2 young boys and using that as his excuse to get people to send him free cards which is obviously what he is doing.
Congrats to Bill (lsutigers) for sacking up and not jumping on the bandwagon and writing how he feels about it. Congrats to Mike for having a wonderful family that he shares his passion with. But enough with the begging.
Alright Im ready for the wolves to come tear me up.Or should i say sheep? Happy Sunday to all.
No one should be tearing you up for your opinion. You aren't being nasty or antagonistic.
It's no secret that Mike often seeks free cards. My opinion on that is so what? If he is willing to ask and there are those willing to oblige, then more power to him. We all pursue cards in our own way. Like Steve posted earlier, no one has to send Mike any cards if they don't want to.
Edited for spelling.
Mike
"Common sense is the best distributed commodity in the world, for every man is convinced that he is well supplied with it"
now, somebody send my kid Megan Fox.
and i'm offering nothing in return.
but the leaves are falling and I think hockey season is a round the corner ...
I need a 1971-72 topps # 15 - Yvan Cournoyer (Canadians) to finish my hockey set.
It may not be an expensive card (to many), but I cannot afford to spend right now ...
I have lots of baseball, football and basket ball to trade (mostly 1980s)
I don't expect it for free ... let me know what it takes.
cheers
(admin - move this if it needs be)
<< <i>After talking with my Wife today, we decided to ask my Boys what they thought we should do... they both agreed that we should post a message and show everyone our collection. They of course did not understand why some folks don't believe us, but I have taught them that it is always best to stand up for yourself (especially when someone is trying to bully you). >>
While I have no dog in this hunt, I agree with others that anyone is free to trade, contribute, or not do so based on their own evaluation.
What I find disconcerting about the situation is that adults have made the decision to bring children into the mix. Leave the kids out of it. Did they really need to know about these accusations?
Let them be kids and enjoy the cards.
So, what have we learned?
1. Some think Mike is taking advantage.
2. Some think he's asking for free cards but it's not relevant to the more important point that he's spending good time with his children.
3. His offer of trades may be lopsided?
4. His family was challenged and he produced pics.
I say we're at a stalemate - those who believe in Mike still do - those who don't still don't.
If Mike has made a few - potentially selfish trades or deals - only he can re-evaluate it and perhaps rethink his position.
This board is very forgiving and very generous and thoughtful.
I will say - like Bill - I got a PM outlining the fact that Mike was a bit one-sided - in fact - may not have truly acknowledged the generosity of the person he had a deal with. If so?
Then Mike can think about that - he probably can deduce this situation?
I say - at this point - we give Mike the benefit of the doubt - see him for who he is - a very nice guy who has a truly beautiful family and is spending time with them in a very valuable way. If he's strayed? It's very little IMO and easily rectified.
Sorry for the length - I'm sure some don't want to wade thru this.
So my take? Let's all give Mike credit for his desire to be a good dad. (PM him and tell him your grievance and make friends - I'm sure that's what he wants)
mike
Kirk
<< <i>I had ONE dealing with Mike. He offered me a current SMR and some 78's (molitor and murray rookie vg-ex) for $25.00. I sent him the money back on 1/05/09 and still havent received the cards(he didnt insure them). Filed a paypal claim and won but he closed his paypal account. I got NOTHING.
Kirk >>
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The seller should have made good on that transaction.
<< <i>I had ONE dealing with Mike. He offered me a current SMR and some 78's (molitor and murray rookie vg-ex) for $25.00. I sent him the money back on 1/05/09 and still havent received the cards(he didnt insure them). Filed a paypal claim and won but he closed his paypal account. I got NOTHING. >>
Based on some of the PM's I have received lately and in the past, you are not the only one. There were also at least 2 forum users that sold him cards and have him claim later that he never received them even though the seller had proof of delivery.
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Forum users who have "problems" with buyers/sellers should
prolly consider letting folks here know about it, before too much
time passes.
All items that I was suppose to send, were sent.
There has only been 1 time that I paid for a group of cards and never received them... the seller sent them (I never question that) and they were either mis-delivered or lost? ...the tracking number indicated that the package was delivered at 10am that morning, but that was not the case since I was mowing my lawn and my mail arrived at 2pm (as always) without the package in my box.
If anyone would like to know more, or have a gripe with me for any reason... feel free to send me a message.
thank you,
Mike
<< <i>To those who claimed I never sent items promised, or that I received any and claimed that I did not... this is totally untrue.
All items that I was suppose to send, were sent.
There has only been 1 time that I paid for a group of cards and never received them... the seller sent them (I never question that) and they were either mis-delivered or lost? ...the tracking number indicated that the package was delivered at 10am that morning, but that was not the case since I was mowing my lawn and my mail arrived at 2pm (as always) without the package in my box.
If anyone would like to know more, or have a gripe with me for any reason... feel free to send me a message.
thank you,
Mike >>
I think that's a good idea Mike.
And if I can be of any help to those who didn't receive their stuff - and I have similar items - I'll be glad to send it their way.
mike