why are there no threads about PSA's fees to ship cards back to customers, once graded? I am sure PSA is making a good percentage each shipment. shipping probably adds a nice piece to CU's bottom line.
<< <i>Buy a card...I was charged $4.00 for shipping from US to Canada. The card arrives safely with a printed label of $1.03 paid for shipping. I email the seller saying the card arrived but I am less than thrilled about the shipping charge now that I see the actual cost. They reply with ever excuse in the book.
<< <i>why are there no threads about PSA's fees to ship cards back to customers, once graded? I am sure PSA is making a good percentage each shipment. shipping probably adds a nice piece to CU's bottom line. >>
I would suspect one reason is that it's not prohibited to overcharge for shipping in any TOS that PSA agrees to follow. Another reason, is there's nowhere to remedy that complaint. Ebay has feedback and star ratings, where we as customers can vent frustration with high shipping.
<< <i>If a person needs to know how their 4.00 will be used then they should ask before bidding.
Will the item be shipped 1st class? will it be protected with cardboard or bubble wrap?
Will the extra protected item be sent in a bubble mailer? Will the 4.00 include insurance?
Does it include DC? Does it include the time and gas used and spent getting to the PO.
Does it also include any other over head the seller might have?
If a buyer wants to know any of the above he should ask before placing a bid.
But then again he might find himself on the sellers BBL. >>
I don't want to make a big deal about this because I'm not actually someone that cares about this thing in reality.
But why should a buyer have to ask beforehand if the shipping charges he's being asked to pay are actual or inflated? "Excuse me, are you ripping me off or is this a fair price?" And if the buyer doesn't do this he's somehow tacitly agreeing to whatever shipping method the seller uses, with no right to complain after seeing what he paid for?
Also, fyi eBay explicitly forbids adding in some of those things in shipping charges (such as gas). Shouldn't have to ask about those things either.
I think the point is, do you go into Wal-Mart and ask, "How much of this price is profit?" or "How much of the profit is overhead and how much is your cost on the item"
It is irrelevant!!! The seller is saying in his auction that for him to send the item to you, it is going to cost XXX! It does not or should not matter how he gets it to you as long as the item gets there in the condition it was sold in, in a timely manner. Do I think that high shipping is bad..of course I do. A good example is my search to complete my 2007-2009 Sportskings sets. An ebay seller had some I needed but was charging $5 for shipping...I did not bid, but I dont begrudge him what he want, I just choose not to buy from him.
Some things people are selling on ebay at a loss. Do you reimburse them for that? If they sell a card they paid $15 for 10 years ago and you get it for $4, do you care what they paid for it? My auctions have always had a $2.50 shipping charge, but if you want to charge $4, thats your business and I will make my purhcasing decision based on that. Not buy your item and then complain about the charge, after the fact.
Why is it always the buyer that's on the losing end of this argument? I
Who said that the buyer is always on the losing end of this argument? Many sellers undercharge for shipping as well, but would you expect to receive a payment by Paypal from the buyer to make up the difference if that was the case? $4.00 for sgipping and handling for an item is not unreasonable no matter what the outside of the envelope says as long as it is packaged securely.
We all know how much it costs to ship a card..bottom line is if you think that $4.00 S&H is too much, move on to the next auction..
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
I just think people who worry about these inane things need to get a f'ing life. Who gives a flying F. You know what you are PAYING for the card, you get the card, the card is in good condition, you leave positive. Nothing else matters. If you don't know how much shipping is before you buy that's on YOU to find out. Once you know what it costs that all that matters. Nothing else matters. When you buy a new car it comes with a destination charge. Do you ask the salesman how much they actually spent to get the car delivered to their dealer? Or why the destination charge is the same no matter how far your dealer is from the point of manufacture? No, you don't care. You only look at the price you write the check for. Bunch of f'ing whiners around here worrying about nothing.
LarryAllen pretty much nailed it on the head, LOL..
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
<< <i>14.298 cents each including shipping for me. That's for a 500 count box of the self seal kind. >>
FANTASTIC!!! So now someone that sells a few items a week/month has their living room filled with a large box of 000 bubble mailers.
I buy a few 25 ct boxes from Quill.com when they're on sale while picking up other supplies. However, you can also get them for $4.25/box (about $0.17/unit before s/h) at this site in 25 count boxes. They fit nicely in the office closet and I don't have to use them for a coffee table when company comes over. >>
I don't sell as much these days as I used to. I am down to about 10 bubble mailers, so I just placed an order for 1000 #000's and the total cost, shipped was $107.42. I don't mind storing a case of bubble mailers...and I don't store them in my living room. For less than $0.11 per piece, I'd rather buy in bulk. They don't go bad and I won't need to think about placing another order for quite a while.
<< <i>I just think people who worry about these inane things need to get a f'ing life. Who gives a flying F. You know what you are PAYING for the card, you get the card, the card is in good condition, you leave positive. Nothing else matters. If you don't know how much shipping is before you buy that's on YOU to find out. Once you know what it costs that all that matters. Nothing else matters. When you buy a new car it comes with a destination charge. Do you ask the salesman how much they actually spent to get the car delivered to their dealer? Or why the destination charge is the same no matter how far your dealer is from the point of manufacture? No, you don't care. You only look at the price you write the check for. Bunch of f'ing whiners around here worrying about nothing. >>
maybe we can ask corvette, or other car dealers on here...but i don't think car dealers generally profit on the destination charge.
this thread is simple to answer:
1) card was purchased and 4.00 paid for shipping
2) purchaser thought (as do most buyers) that 4.00 would not be a white envelope and top loader (i am assuming that was the case here)
3) card arrived (no negative) but the buyer is upset and feels like he was scammed (IMO he was) out of three extra dollars = neutral feedback
4) if seller is unwilling to work with the seller (as the OP has stated) negative feedback for a negative experience is in order
This was also an item going from US to Canada, so the seller could not offer the normal delivery confirmation service that the states are used to, but he could have sent the "letter" at a better service than the 1.03 that he did. Usually when i send a raw card to Canada (as i do on the regular as most of my cards are hockey) i can send it with a stamp (which is about 1.00) or at the next best service which is about 3.00 - in this case that is what the seller should have done.
<< <i>I just think people who worry about these inane things need to get a f'ing life. Who gives a flying F. You know what you are PAYING for the card, you get the card, the card is in good condition, you leave positive. Nothing else matters. If you don't know how much shipping is before you buy that's on YOU to find out. Once you know what it costs that all that matters. Nothing else matters. When you buy a new car it comes with a destination charge. Do you ask the salesman how much they actually spent to get the car delivered to their dealer? Or why the destination charge is the same no matter how far your dealer is from the point of manufacture? No, you don't care. You only look at the price you write the check for. Bunch of f'ing whiners around here worrying about nothing. >>
maybe we can ask corvette, or other car dealers on here...but i don't think car dealers generally profit on the destination charge.
this thread is simple to answer:
1) card was purchased and 4.00 paid for shipping
2) purchaser thought (as do most buyers) that 4.00 would not be a white envelope and top loader (i am assuming that was the case here)
3) card arrived (no negative) but the buyer is upset and feels like he was scammed (IMO he was) out of three extra dollars = neutral feedback
4) if seller is unwilling to work with the seller (as the OP has stated) negative feedback for a negative experience is in order
This was also an item going from US to Canada, so the seller could not offer the normal delivery confirmation service that the states are used to, but he could have sent the "letter" at a better service than the 1.03 that he did. Usually when i send a raw card to Canada (as i do on the regular as most of my cards are hockey) i can send it with a stamp (which is about 1.00) or at the next best service which is about 3.00 - in this case that is what the seller should have done.
patrick >>
"squeezed" is probably a better word for me to have used than "scammed"
Its not right for the seller to do, but I wouldn't leave a nagative. I would just send him an email and say you want your extra money back, since he didn't you it for the shipping. I know some sellers say "handling" is included in the shippinf price, so thats where the extra money might have went. I myself don't charge "handling" charges but I have read many times where people do.
WOW! Please, those that are so worried about s/h and leaving negatives, PLEASE do not bid on my auctions (eBay ID: the-collector-). Even with FREE Priority Mail shipping, I'm sure you'll find something else to complain about!
2) purchaser thought (as do most buyers) that 4.00 would not be a white envelope and top loader (i am assuming that was the case here)
NO, this is not correct. "most buyers" do not think that. You think that but doesn't mean most buyers do. Most buyers I know just pay the money that they agreed to when they submitted their bid, they get their card, the card is in good shape, they leave a positive feedback, and they move on with LIFE... because they have a LIFE. They don't evalulate the seller's business practices and annoy the heck out of others with inane comments. Really, I think some of you need to get out more, take up another hobby, get a job that doesn't allow them so much free time, get a family, etc.... Put down the Harry Potter set and go outside for a while people!
<< <i>Ok, then if the guy charges 5 bucks more in his store with free shipping, its ok, right? Does that make people feel more warm and fuzzy? Paying the same amount, maybe more but OOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHH Free Shipping!!! Yippee!!
If that is the case, I will increase all of my store items by 3.00 (maybe more) and put in free shipping.
Im sure thats what many sellers do to make this nonsense not able to be complained about. >>
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Tho many sellers refuse to buy into the concept, it IS the correct solution.
It has been years since I had to listen to buyers complain about S+H costs.
When EBAY finally makes "free shipping" the default, sellers will wonder why they did not do it sooner.
(Commodity-item auctions will simply start at the lowest delivered-price the seller is willing to accept. Scarce-item auctions can still start low, as their final sale price will be adequate to fund delivery.)
Obviously, BINs are the future on EBAY.
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EBAY has a fun view of what the "H" in S+H is.
Handling charges may include:
Handling Fee: Actual packaging material costs may be charged. A handling fee in addition to actual shipping cost may be charged if it is not excessive.
Charges not allowed in Handling:
Fees related to Handling: Gasoline, mileage, time spent at a carrier, time spent packaging the item, eBay and PayPal fees may not be added.
(I have long been unable to identify a non-material "handling" fee that EBAY approves of, even tho they say sellers can charge one.)
ALL such quandaries are poofed by "FREE S+H."
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Sellers that want to charge whatever they want to for S+H can use ecrater.com.
There are no PayPal SNAD claims on ecrater. All the seller has to do is prove delivery of the item and the transaction is complete on the PayPal side.
ALL forms of payment are acceptable on ecrater.
ecrater works great, BUT you have to buy some adwords on the search engines to generate substantial traffic.
The buyers on ecrater are also MUCH less psychotic than they are on EBAY.
Folks Who Bite Get Bitten. Folks Who Don't Bite Get Eaten.
Wow, still wondering why I bothered to read this whole thread, but since I did here goes. Speaking only as a buyer, since I have never sold anything on ebay. I factor shipping into bid, period. As long as I get what I paid for, in the advertised condition, who cares how it got to me. Positive. I guess the persons time, envelope, tape, delivery method, etc. aside from actual poststamp has no value to some.
<< <i>Buy a card...I was charged $4.00 for shipping from US to Canada. The card arrives safely with a printed label of $1.03 paid for shipping. I email the seller saying the card arrived but I am less than thrilled about the shipping charge now that I see the actual cost. They reply with ever excuse in the book.
Just wondering what you would do.
Thanks
mathew >>
1. How much was the card? 2. Does the seller ship a lot of items to Canada? 3. I know the first time I shipped to Canada, I thought it would cost more, which it would have if I wanted some type of confirmation? The cost for some type of confirmation I believe would have run between 15 to 25 dollars. would you have still bought the card with the higher shipping charge?
Myself I would leave positive feedback with 5 stars across the board. The shipping cost was known before you bid, myself I still charge 2.75 (1-5 cards in top loader) for shipping to Canada as long as the item is under 50 bucks anything higher, the buyer screams bloody murder when I tell them there 55.00 dollar card is going to cost them 15 to 25 in shipping so I can protect myself from someone claiming hey I didn't get the item (and they really did) and then they get their money back to boot.
Also to note I don't buy postage off the computer, I physically go to the post office and pay the 80 cents for DC (delivery confirmation) + 1.22 for postage = 2.02 total cost from post office + 17 cents for mailer total 2.19 (not counting top loader + printing an invoice + tape + bubble wrap + time/employees). I know my cost to Canada would only be 1.39 for 1 card in top loader not counting everything else, but then I am gambling I am dealing with someone that is honest and won't screw me.
Leaving anything but positive feedback and 5 stars across the board in my opinion is screwing the seller especially if they are a powerseller and are hoping to get a final value fee discount based on their 30 day rating which I believe the buyers can't see, the buyer only see the 12 month rating. JMHO
<< <i>2) purchaser thought (as do most buyers) that 4.00 would not be a white envelope and top loader (i am assuming that was the case here)
NO, this is not correct. "most buyers" do not think that. You think that but doesn't mean most buyers do. Most buyers I know just pay the money that they agreed to when they submitted their bid, they get their card, the card is in good shape, they leave a positive feedback, and they move on with LIFE... because they have a LIFE. They don't evalulate the seller's business practices and annoy the heck out of others with inane comments. Really, I think some of you need to get out more, take up another hobby, get a job that doesn't allow them so much free time, get a family, etc.... Put down the Harry Potter set and go outside for a while people! >>
i don't have much of a life. this phd is kicking me royally.
i get out. read under trees. go to class discussions. teach. write. go to the post office when something sells. wait in line. and charge little to no shipping fees.
after school i might start a family. we'll see. i'm holding out for something nice. not too much of a fan of the modern junk.
not a fan of the potter. the world could have done without that entire series if so many children didn't read it - children reading: like watching a hummingbird in mid-flight.
i don't come on here and put people down for asking questions. can't do that in life. if something makes you feel upset you have to ask questions. don't, however, assume how people live their lives.
Ya know what I could go for ?..........................................an Almond Joy. Here is my dilemma. Do I go and buy one to satisfy my craving, or should I wait a couple of months when there will be an abundance of them at my disposal inside my daughters trick-or-treat bag?
<< <i>Ya know what I could go for ?..........................................an Almond Joy. Here is my dilemma. Do I go and buy one to satisfy my craving, or should I wait a couple of months when there will be an abundance of them at my disposal inside my daughters trick-or-treat bag? >>
i wish i could eat sugar - those were my favorite!
go get some now - and more later out the that trick or treat bag...
...anybody see the new halloween II? thank you rob zombie for destroying a classic.
The buyer knew the seller's delivery charge was $4.00 before bidding. $4.00 is what the seller wanted. He didn't say it was based on his exact cost, or itemize how he came up to $4.00, $4.00 is what he wanted and that is all you paid. Now as long as you receive the product packed securely and in perfect condtion, why should it matter to you how much of that $4.00 was spent on postage. If the postage came up light would it make you feel better that you got your money's worth if the seller added rocks to your package until it hit $4.00 in postage. I'd rather see the seller pocket the difference rather than send me a bunch of rocks.
<< <i>The buyer knew the seller's delivery charge was $4.00 before bidding. $4.00 is what the seller wanted. He didn't say it was based on his exact cost, or itemize how he came up to $4.00, $4.00 is what he wanted and that is all you paid. Now as long as you receive the product packed securely and in perfect condtion, why should it matter to you how much of that $4.00 was spent on postage. If the postage came up light would it make you feel better that you got your money's worth if the seller added rocks to your package until it hit $4.00 in postage. I'd rather see the seller pocket the difference rather than send me a bunch of rocks. >>
honestly i'd rather have the rocks. as a buyer i'd be happy and as the seller i'd be doing the ethical thing.
and do you have any idea how long it takes to pack a card secure? once you get in the hang of it it should take no more than two to three minutes. so what you, and just about everyone else has implied, is that the seller should be making approximately one dollar/minute. sixty dollars an hour? that does not even include how much they made on the item. i'm sorry but you cannot justify that practice. .25, .50, maybe .75 cents but 3.00 equals the amount of time someone would have to spend a (approximately half an hour) of their life ringing people up at your local fast food place. sad thing is: many of those kids in the fast food places have more sense than the eBay sellers.
patrick
edit to add: before anybody says, "well, the seller has to take his time to go to the post office and spend gasoline, and wear and tear on their car, et cetera, well - so does that same kid who is in the fast food place. everyone, just about, drives to work. there is an amount of time people spend to get themselves ready to go to work, and sometimes people have to arrive to work early and wait for their shift to start just to make sure they are on time.
<< <i>and do you have any idea how long it takes to pack a card secure? once you get in the hang of it it should take no more than two to three minutes. so what you, and just about everyone else has implied, is that the seller should be making approximately one dollar/minute. sixty dollars an hour? that does not even include how much they made on the item. i'm sorry but you cannot justify that practice. .25, .50, maybe .75 cents but 3.00 equals the amount of time someone would have to spend a (approximately half an hour) of their life ringing people up at your local fast food place. sad thing is: many of those kids in the fast food places have more sense than the eBay sellers.
patrick
edit to add: before anybody says, "well, the seller has to take his time to go to the post office and spend gasoline, and wear and tear on their car, et cetera, well - so does that same kid who is in the fast food place. everyone, just about, drives to work. there is an amount of time people spend to get themselves ready to go to work, and sometimes people have to arrive to work early and wait for their shift to start just to make sure they are on time. >>
Many of those kids in the fast food places have more sense than the eBay buyers.
<< <i>and do you have any idea how long it takes to pack a card secure? once you get in the hang of it it should take no more than two to three minutes. so what you, and just about everyone else has implied, is that the seller should be making approximately one dollar/minute. sixty dollars an hour? that does not even include how much they made on the item. i'm sorry but you cannot justify that practice. .25, .50, maybe .75 cents but 3.00 equals the amount of time someone would have to spend a (approximately half an hour) of their life ringing people up at your local fast food place. sad thing is: many of those kids in the fast food places have more sense than the eBay sellers.
patrick
edit to add: before anybody says, "well, the seller has to take his time to go to the post office and spend gasoline, and wear and tear on their car, et cetera, well - so does that same kid who is in the fast food place. everyone, just about, drives to work. there is an amount of time people spend to get themselves ready to go to work, and sometimes people have to arrive to work early and wait for their shift to start just to make sure they are on time. >>
Many of those kids in the fast food places have more sense than the eBay buyers. >>
<< <i>and do you have any idea how long it takes to pack a card secure? once you get in the hang of it it should take no more than two to three minutes. so what you, and just about everyone else has implied, is that the seller should be making approximately one dollar/minute. sixty dollars an hour? that does not even include how much they made on the item. i'm sorry but you cannot justify that practice. .25, .50, maybe .75 cents but 3.00 equals the amount of time someone would have to spend a (approximately half an hour) of their life ringing people up at your local fast food place. sad thing is: many of those kids in the fast food places have more sense than the eBay sellers.
patrick
edit to add: before anybody says, "well, the seller has to take his time to go to the post office and spend gasoline, and wear and tear on their car, et cetera, well - so does that same kid who is in the fast food place. everyone, just about, drives to work. there is an amount of time people spend to get themselves ready to go to work, and sometimes people have to arrive to work early and wait for their shift to start just to make sure they are on time. >>
I think we're missing the point here. The only point is, "Can the seller charge whatever he wants, as long as it is reasonable?" $4.00 to me is a very reasonable shipping charge. Would you prefer that the shipper calculate for each transaction how much the actual shipping cost would be?
The convenience of knowing ahead of time the final price outweighs the effort it takes to achieve the minute details.
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why are there no threads about PSA's fees to ship cards back to customers, once graded? I am sure PSA is making a good percentage each shipment. shipping probably adds a nice piece to CU's bottom line.
<< <i>Buy a card...I was charged $4.00 for shipping from US to Canada. The card arrives safely with a printed label of $1.03 paid for shipping. I email the seller saying the card arrived but I am less than thrilled about the shipping charge now that I see the actual cost. They reply with ever excuse in the book.
Just wondering what you would do.
Thanks
mathew >>
Just for grins and giggles , what was the card?
ON ITS WAY TO NEWPORT BEACH, CA 92658
<< <i>why are there no threads about PSA's fees to ship cards back to customers, once graded? I am sure PSA is making a good percentage each shipment. shipping probably adds a nice piece to CU's bottom line. >>
I would suspect one reason is that it's not prohibited to overcharge for shipping in any TOS that PSA agrees to follow.
Another reason, is there's nowhere to remedy that complaint. Ebay has feedback and star ratings, where we as customers can vent frustration with high shipping.
Will the item be shipped 1st class? will it be protected with cardboard or bubble wrap?
Will the extra protected item be sent in a bubble mailer? Will the 4.00 include insurance?
Does it include DC? Does it include the time and gas used and spent getting to the PO.
Does it also include any other over head the seller might have?
If a buyer wants to know any of the above he should ask before placing a bid.
But then again he might find himself on the sellers BBL.
Steve
<< <i>If a person needs to know how their 4.00 will be used then they should ask before bidding.
Will the item be shipped 1st class? will it be protected with cardboard or bubble wrap?
Will the extra protected item be sent in a bubble mailer? Will the 4.00 include insurance?
Does it include DC? Does it include the time and gas used and spent getting to the PO.
Does it also include any other over head the seller might have?
If a buyer wants to know any of the above he should ask before placing a bid.
But then again he might find himself on the sellers BBL.
>>
I don't want to make a big deal about this because I'm not actually someone that cares about this thing in reality.
But why should a buyer have to ask beforehand if the shipping charges he's being asked to pay are actual or inflated?
"Excuse me, are you ripping me off or is this a fair price?"
And if the buyer doesn't do this he's somehow tacitly agreeing to whatever shipping method the seller uses, with no right to complain after seeing what he paid for?
Also, fyi eBay explicitly forbids adding in some of those things in shipping charges (such as gas). Shouldn't have to ask about those things either.
It is irrelevant!!! The seller is saying in his auction that for him to send the item to you, it is going to cost XXX! It does not or should not matter how he gets it to you as long as the item gets there in the condition it was sold in, in a timely manner. Do I think that high shipping is bad..of course I do. A good example is my search to complete my 2007-2009 Sportskings sets. An ebay seller had some I needed but was charging $5 for shipping...I did not bid, but I dont begrudge him what he want, I just choose not to buy from him.
Some things people are selling on ebay at a loss. Do you reimburse them for that? If they sell a card they paid $15 for 10 years ago and you get it for $4, do you care what they paid for it? My auctions have always had a $2.50 shipping charge, but if you want to charge $4, thats your business and I will make my purhcasing decision based on that. Not buy your item and then complain about the charge, after the fact.
Who said that the buyer is always on the losing end of this argument? Many sellers undercharge for shipping as well, but would you expect to receive a payment by Paypal from the buyer to make up the difference if that was the case? $4.00 for sgipping and handling for an item is not unreasonable no matter what the outside of the envelope says as long as it is packaged securely.
We all know how much it costs to ship a card..bottom line is if you think that $4.00 S&H is too much, move on to the next auction..
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
He shouldn't, just like he shouldn't complain about it after either, unless the item comes
grossly damaged.
He should ask if he is concerned about the sellers shipping model.
Steve
Steve
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
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<< <i>14.298 cents each including shipping for me. That's for a 500 count box of the self seal kind. >>
FANTASTIC!!! So now someone that sells a few items a week/month has their living room filled with a large box of 000 bubble mailers.
I buy a few 25 ct boxes from Quill.com when they're on sale while picking up other supplies. However, you can also get them for $4.25/box (about $0.17/unit before s/h) at this site in 25 count boxes. They fit nicely in the office closet and I don't have to use them for a coffee table when company comes over. >>
I don't sell as much these days as I used to. I am down to about 10 bubble mailers, so I just placed an order for 1000 #000's and the total cost, shipped was $107.42. I don't mind storing a case of bubble mailers...and I don't store them in my living room.
<< <i>I just think people who worry about these inane things need to get a f'ing life. Who gives a flying F. You know what you are PAYING for the card, you get the card, the card is in good condition, you leave positive. Nothing else matters. If you don't know how much shipping is before you buy that's on YOU to find out. Once you know what it costs that all that matters. Nothing else matters. When you buy a new car it comes with a destination charge. Do you ask the salesman how much they actually spent to get the car delivered to their dealer? Or why the destination charge is the same no matter how far your dealer is from the point of manufacture? No, you don't care. You only look at the price you write the check for. Bunch of f'ing whiners around here worrying about nothing. >>
maybe we can ask corvette, or other car dealers on here...but i don't think car dealers generally profit on the destination charge.
this thread is simple to answer:
1) card was purchased and 4.00 paid for shipping
2) purchaser thought (as do most buyers) that 4.00 would not be a white envelope and top loader (i am assuming that was the case here)
3) card arrived (no negative) but the buyer is upset and feels like he was scammed (IMO he was) out of three extra dollars = neutral feedback
4) if seller is unwilling to work with the seller (as the OP has stated) negative feedback for a negative experience is in order
This was also an item going from US to Canada, so the seller could not offer the normal delivery confirmation service that the states are used to, but he could have sent the "letter" at a better service than the 1.03 that he did. Usually when i send a raw card to Canada (as i do on the regular as most of my cards are hockey) i can send it with a stamp (which is about 1.00) or at the next best service which is about 3.00 - in this case that is what the seller should have done.
patrick
<< <i>
<< <i>I just think people who worry about these inane things need to get a f'ing life. Who gives a flying F. You know what you are PAYING for the card, you get the card, the card is in good condition, you leave positive. Nothing else matters. If you don't know how much shipping is before you buy that's on YOU to find out. Once you know what it costs that all that matters. Nothing else matters. When you buy a new car it comes with a destination charge. Do you ask the salesman how much they actually spent to get the car delivered to their dealer? Or why the destination charge is the same no matter how far your dealer is from the point of manufacture? No, you don't care. You only look at the price you write the check for. Bunch of f'ing whiners around here worrying about nothing. >>
maybe we can ask corvette, or other car dealers on here...but i don't think car dealers generally profit on the destination charge.
this thread is simple to answer:
1) card was purchased and 4.00 paid for shipping
2) purchaser thought (as do most buyers) that 4.00 would not be a white envelope and top loader (i am assuming that was the case here)
3) card arrived (no negative) but the buyer is upset and feels like he was scammed (IMO he was) out of three extra dollars = neutral feedback
4) if seller is unwilling to work with the seller (as the OP has stated) negative feedback for a negative experience is in order
This was also an item going from US to Canada, so the seller could not offer the normal delivery confirmation service that the states are used to, but he could have sent the "letter" at a better service than the 1.03 that he did. Usually when i send a raw card to Canada (as i do on the regular as most of my cards are hockey) i can send it with a stamp (which is about 1.00) or at the next best service which is about 3.00 - in this case that is what the seller should have done.
patrick >>
"squeezed" is probably a better word for me to have used than "scammed"
NO, this is not correct. "most buyers" do not think that. You think that but doesn't mean most buyers do. Most buyers I know just pay the money that they agreed to when they submitted their bid, they get their card, the card is in good shape, they leave a positive feedback, and they move on with LIFE... because they have a LIFE. They don't evalulate the seller's business practices and annoy the heck out of others with inane comments. Really, I think some of you need to get out more, take up another hobby, get a job that doesn't allow them so much free time, get a family, etc.... Put down the Harry Potter set and go outside for a while people!
<< <i>Ok, then if the guy charges 5 bucks more in his store with free shipping, its ok, right? Does that make people feel more warm and fuzzy? Paying the same amount, maybe more but OOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHH Free Shipping!!! Yippee!!
If that is the case, I will increase all of my store items by 3.00 (maybe more) and put in free shipping.
Im sure thats what many sellers do to make this nonsense not able to be complained about. >>
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Tho many sellers refuse to buy into the concept, it IS the correct solution.
It has been years since I had to listen to buyers complain about S+H costs.
When EBAY finally makes "free shipping" the default, sellers will wonder
why they did not do it sooner.
(Commodity-item auctions will simply start at the lowest delivered-price
the seller is willing to accept. Scarce-item auctions can still start low, as
their final sale price will be adequate to fund delivery.)
Obviously, BINs are the future on EBAY.
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EBAY has a fun view of what the "H" in S+H is.
Handling charges may include:
Handling Fee: Actual packaging material costs may be charged. A handling fee in addition to actual shipping cost may be charged if it is not excessive.
Charges not allowed in Handling:
Fees related to Handling: Gasoline, mileage, time spent at a carrier, time spent packaging the item, eBay and PayPal fees may not be added.
(I have long been unable to identify a non-material "handling" fee
that EBAY approves of, even tho they say sellers can charge one.)
ALL such quandaries are poofed by "FREE S+H."
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Sellers that want to charge whatever they want to for S+H can use ecrater.com.
There are no PayPal SNAD claims on ecrater. All the seller has to do is prove
delivery of the item and the transaction is complete on the PayPal side.
ALL forms of payment are acceptable on ecrater.
ecrater works great, BUT you have to buy some adwords on the search engines
to generate substantial traffic.
The buyers on ecrater are also MUCH less psychotic than they are on EBAY.
Tim
And please don't bid on my auctions, either
<< <i>Buy a card...I was charged $4.00 for shipping from US to Canada. The card arrives safely with a printed label of $1.03 paid for shipping. I email the seller saying the card arrived but I am less than thrilled about the shipping charge now that I see the actual cost. They reply with ever excuse in the book.
Just wondering what you would do.
Thanks
mathew >>
1. How much was the card?
2. Does the seller ship a lot of items to Canada?
3. I know the first time I shipped to Canada, I thought it would cost more, which it would have if I wanted some type of confirmation? The cost for some type of confirmation I believe would have run between 15 to 25 dollars. would you have still bought the card with the higher shipping charge?
Myself I would leave positive feedback with 5 stars across the board. The shipping cost was known before you bid, myself I still charge 2.75 (1-5 cards in top loader) for shipping to Canada as long as the item is under 50 bucks anything higher, the buyer screams bloody murder when I tell them there 55.00 dollar card is going to cost them 15 to 25 in shipping so I can protect myself from someone claiming hey I didn't get the item (and they really did) and then they get their money back to boot.
Also to note I don't buy postage off the computer, I physically go to the post office and pay the 80 cents for DC (delivery confirmation) + 1.22 for postage = 2.02 total cost from post office + 17 cents for mailer total 2.19 (not counting top loader + printing an invoice + tape + bubble wrap + time/employees). I know my cost to Canada would only be 1.39 for 1 card in top loader not counting everything else, but then I am gambling I am dealing with someone that is honest and won't screw me.
Leaving anything but positive feedback and 5 stars across the board in my opinion is screwing the seller especially if they are a powerseller and are hoping to get a final value fee discount based on their 30 day rating which I believe the buyers can't see, the buyer only see the 12 month rating. JMHO
<< <i>Positive. You knew the charge before you bought the card. >>
As long as you bid and read the auction, you agreed to his fees.
Whether I agree or not on the $5 price, it is for SHIP and HANDLING.
I always figure in the sh/h price into the card so I am not paying more than I wanted to.
Go Phillies
<< <i>2) purchaser thought (as do most buyers) that 4.00 would not be a white envelope and top loader (i am assuming that was the case here)
NO, this is not correct. "most buyers" do not think that. You think that but doesn't mean most buyers do. Most buyers I know just pay the money that they agreed to when they submitted their bid, they get their card, the card is in good shape, they leave a positive feedback, and they move on with LIFE... because they have a LIFE. They don't evalulate the seller's business practices and annoy the heck out of others with inane comments. Really, I think some of you need to get out more, take up another hobby, get a job that doesn't allow them so much free time, get a family, etc.... Put down the Harry Potter set and go outside for a while people! >>
i don't have much of a life. this phd is kicking me royally.
i get out. read under trees. go to class discussions. teach. write. go to the post office when something sells. wait in line. and charge little to no shipping fees.
after school i might start a family. we'll see. i'm holding out for something nice. not too much of a fan of the modern junk.
not a fan of the potter. the world could have done without that entire series if so many children didn't read it - children reading: like watching a hummingbird in mid-flight.
i don't come on here and put people down for asking questions. can't do that in life. if something makes you feel upset you have to ask questions. don't, however, assume how people live their lives.
Here is my dilemma. Do I go and buy one to satisfy my craving, or should I wait a couple of months when there will be an abundance of them at my disposal inside my daughters trick-or-treat bag?
<< <i>Ya know what I could go for ?..........................................an Almond Joy.
Here is my dilemma. Do I go and buy one to satisfy my craving, or should I wait a couple of months when there will be an abundance of them at my disposal inside my daughters trick-or-treat bag? >>
i wish i could eat sugar - those were my favorite!
go get some now - and more later out the that trick or treat bag...
...anybody see the new halloween II? thank you rob zombie for destroying a classic.
ON ITS WAY TO NEWPORT BEACH, CA 92658
<< <i>The buyer knew the seller's delivery charge was $4.00 before bidding. $4.00 is what the seller wanted. He didn't say it was based on his exact cost, or itemize how he came up to $4.00, $4.00 is what he wanted and that is all you paid. Now as long as you receive the product packed securely and in perfect condtion, why should it matter to you how much of that $4.00 was spent on postage. If the postage came up light would it make you feel better that you got your money's worth if the seller added rocks to your package until it hit $4.00 in postage. I'd rather see the seller pocket the difference rather than send me a bunch of rocks. >>
honestly i'd rather have the rocks. as a buyer i'd be happy and as the seller i'd be doing the ethical thing.
patrick
edit to add: before anybody says, "well, the seller has to take his time to go to the post office and spend gasoline, and wear and tear on their car, et cetera, well - so does that same kid who is in the fast food place. everyone, just about, drives to work. there is an amount of time people spend to get themselves ready to go to work, and sometimes people have to arrive to work early and wait for their shift to start just to make sure they are on time.
<< <i>and do you have any idea how long it takes to pack a card secure? once you get in the hang of it it should take no more than two to three minutes. so what you, and just about everyone else has implied, is that the seller should be making approximately one dollar/minute. sixty dollars an hour? that does not even include how much they made on the item. i'm sorry but you cannot justify that practice. .25, .50, maybe .75 cents but 3.00 equals the amount of time someone would have to spend a (approximately half an hour) of their life ringing people up at your local fast food place. sad thing is: many of those kids in the fast food places have more sense than the eBay sellers.
patrick
edit to add: before anybody says, "well, the seller has to take his time to go to the post office and spend gasoline, and wear and tear on their car, et cetera, well - so does that same kid who is in the fast food place. everyone, just about, drives to work. there is an amount of time people spend to get themselves ready to go to work, and sometimes people have to arrive to work early and wait for their shift to start just to make sure they are on time. >>
Many of those kids in the fast food places have more sense than the eBay buyers.
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<< <i>and do you have any idea how long it takes to pack a card secure? once you get in the hang of it it should take no more than two to three minutes. so what you, and just about everyone else has implied, is that the seller should be making approximately one dollar/minute. sixty dollars an hour? that does not even include how much they made on the item. i'm sorry but you cannot justify that practice. .25, .50, maybe .75 cents but 3.00 equals the amount of time someone would have to spend a (approximately half an hour) of their life ringing people up at your local fast food place. sad thing is: many of those kids in the fast food places have more sense than the eBay sellers.
patrick
edit to add: before anybody says, "well, the seller has to take his time to go to the post office and spend gasoline, and wear and tear on their car, et cetera, well - so does that same kid who is in the fast food place. everyone, just about, drives to work. there is an amount of time people spend to get themselves ready to go to work, and sometimes people have to arrive to work early and wait for their shift to start just to make sure they are on time. >>
Many of those kids in the fast food places have more sense than the eBay buyers.
i bet many who work there are buyers and sellers
<< <i>and do you have any idea how long it takes to pack a card secure? once you get in the hang of it it should take no more than two to three minutes. so what you, and just about everyone else has implied, is that the seller should be making approximately one dollar/minute. sixty dollars an hour? that does not even include how much they made on the item. i'm sorry but you cannot justify that practice. .25, .50, maybe .75 cents but 3.00 equals the amount of time someone would have to spend a (approximately half an hour) of their life ringing people up at your local fast food place. sad thing is: many of those kids in the fast food places have more sense than the eBay sellers.
patrick
edit to add: before anybody says, "well, the seller has to take his time to go to the post office and spend gasoline, and wear and tear on their car, et cetera, well - so does that same kid who is in the fast food place. everyone, just about, drives to work. there is an amount of time people spend to get themselves ready to go to work, and sometimes people have to arrive to work early and wait for their shift to start just to make sure they are on time. >>
I think we're missing the point here. The only point is, "Can the seller charge whatever he wants, as long as it is reasonable?" $4.00 to me is a very reasonable shipping charge. Would you prefer that the shipper calculate for each transaction how much the actual shipping cost would be?
The convenience of knowing ahead of time the final price outweighs the effort it takes to achieve the minute details.
Neither, I'd travel to his house and kick his arse.
Steve