2003 Steroid list leaked?

digicat · July 30, 2009 5:38AM

Everything leaked matches up so far:

The list?

I've seen articles that call it fake, but it's hard to confirm something like this unless someone with the actual list tries to debunk it.

Allen · July 30, 2009 5:41AM

I do not think that is the list. If the entire list leaked from anywhere credible ESPN would be all over it.

joestalin · July 30, 2009 5:49AM

Half the redsox championship team, what a joke

BunchOBull · July 30, 2009 5:51AM

That's the same list that had players names on there twice, and when confronted about it, the owner of the list changed the list out to reflect a new player in the stead of the double booking.

Nathaniel1960 · July 30, 2009 5:55AM

Chipper Jones is in the HOF fer sure if this list is akarat.

digicat · July 30, 2009 5:56AM

From what I read, Jeromy Burnitz's was the only name listed twice. The 2nd mention was deleted, hence the 103 names.

CDsNuts · July 30, 2009 5:58AM

I refuse to believe Valerio de los Santos was a juicer. REFUSE!

Stingray · July 30, 2009 6:07AM

Dimitri Young?? Wow he sure didn't lift any weights while taking them to bulk up??

digicat · July 30, 2009 6:18AM

Obviously this is being billed as an "unconfirmed rumor" but with or without a "rumored list", we'll be speculating until the whole list comes out.

Allen · July 30, 2009 6:19AM

Young was added because the author of the list was jealous of his card collection.

123Slider · July 30, 2009 6:22AM

If not the list, it's some darn good guessing I bet.

Bosox1976 · July 30, 2009 7:00AM

Too cheap to buy the untraceable stuff... Mark Prior - heh.

rexvos · July 30, 2009 7:04AM

happily surprized to not see Jeff Bagwell on this list.

slantycouch · July 30, 2009 7:08AM

I believed in you Hector Almonte. And this is how you repay me?

jackstraw · July 30, 2009 7:09AM

The two confirmed by the New York Times are Red Sox? Oddly enough Andy Petite's name is not confirmed. .

bigwilli · July 30, 2009 7:37AM

Chipper not on the list.......HOF bound

IchiroDeported · July 30, 2009 9:28AM

I think that list could be scarily accurate.

digicat · July 30, 2009 9:43AM

The list is only allegedly the list of folks who tested positive in random drug tests.

A player not being on the "2003 Positive Test Results" list only means that they tested negative or weren't tested.

Stingray · July 30, 2009 9:50AM

<< happily surprized to not see Jeff Bagwell on this list. >>

Me too, even though he was a favorite of mine. I swear once the steroid thing broke out his forearms which were like Popeye were very normal looking.

GoDodgersFan · July 30, 2009 10:21AM

Scary list.

I am sure there's a lot of valid names on it.
MLB needs to come clean and just get the names out
for once and all.

fandango · July 30, 2009 10:51AM

that list looks very accurate....

frank catalanatto suprised me...

CDsNuts · July 30, 2009 10:56AM

ESPN article

Interesting read. Canseco is a scumbag but nothing he's said about who he knows used has been proven to be false yet. It's funny, but something's always been in the back of my mind after this card came out:

They played together in Oakland in the early 90s. Obviously this is pure conjecture, but it really wouldn't surprise me. Rickey was always trying to get bigger and if he saw the results Canseco and McGwire were getting, then why not shoot up to push yourself over the edge?

yanyak5 · July 30, 2009 11:01AM

What!!! Barry Bonds?? noooooooooooooo...you dont say?????....

hammered · July 30, 2009 11:02AM

<< happily surprized to not see Jeff Bagwell on this list. >>

Second that. Though I too would not be surprised if his name eventually surfaces.

ndleo · July 30, 2009 12:41PM

Even if the list does come out, which should happen, I don't know if anyone not on the list can be assumed to be clean. The whole era is tainted.

Bartolo Colon surprised me. I didn't think cheeseburgers were considered a streroid.

fkw · July 30, 2009 12:42PM

No Pujols? That list is obviously bogus then.

Hoopster · July 30, 2009 2:30PM

That list, the official one, or that one posted, is just the tip of the ice berg.

Fans, don't be stupid and think that just because a guy's name isn't on that list that he is clean.

You can bet the Bagwell's of the world were doing the same thing as everybody else. Or maybe you believe that he and only he was putting up super human seasons naturally...and then the way his body shrunk like a dried raisin at the end of his career being just a coincidence.

Frank Thomas fans, don't get too excited, Thomas is as big a suspect as anyone...especially with college football roots at the height of steroid use in that sport.

Griffey fans, don't hold your breath either.

storm888 · July 30, 2009 3:20PM

Looks pretty close to what some folks might figure.

But, since I have doubts about the authenticity of
the "leaked list," I am entitled to have doubts about
its contents.

It is time for the commish to KILL the speculation.
Time to speak; now.

..............

Also, even the "real list," is NOT guaranteed to be
all inclusive.

What a mess.

digicat · July 30, 2009 3:23PM

Folks need to understand that when you do "random drug testing" you're sampling "random" people. Just because a player isn't on the list doesn't mean that the player was even tested.

storm888 · July 30, 2009 3:30PM

<< Folks need to understand that when you do "random drug testing" you're sampling "random" people. Just because a player isn't on the list doesn't mean that the player was even tested. >>

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Yup.

And, that makes things even worse.

The "list" has about 10% of players on it.

If only 25% of players were tested in that round, the total
number of users in the league was, obviously, MUCH greater
than 122.

BunchOBull · July 30, 2009 8:43PM

<< That list, the official one, or that one posted, is just the tip of the ice berg.

Fans, don't be stupid and think that just because a guy's name isn't on that list that he is clean.

You can bet the Bagwell's of the world were doing the same thing as everybody else. Or maybe you believe that he and only he was putting up super human seasons naturally...and then the way his body shrunk like a dried raisin at the end of his career being just a coincidence.

Frank Thomas fans, don't get too excited, Thomas is as big a suspect as anyone...especially with college football roots at the height of steroid use in that sport.

Griffey fans, don't hold your breath either. >>

This list means nothing to me. While I suspect many names on it, if not all, to be correct, I'm not naive to think that's it. I don't think Frank Thomas used PEDs, not because of a list, but because of nearly 2 decades of outspoken requests to clean up the game of baseball.

saucywombat · July 31, 2009 3:54AM

Did anyone see Garciaparra on ESPN last night. He was sweating bullets. He might be on his way to Mexico as we speak. Basically when asked he gave an answer to the effect "some guys wanted to test positive so that the mininum number would be met to force the implementation of mandatory testing."

GEESH

And I thought Arod's "cousin" excuse sounded like it came out of the mouth of a 12 year old.

If that list is accurate it looks like the Red Sox may have been pushing PED's to gain a competitive advantage.

lanemyer85 · July 31, 2009 4:18AM

"They played together in Oakland in the early 90s. Obviously this is pure conjecture, but it really wouldn't surprise me. Rickey was always trying to get bigger and if he saw the results Canseco and McGwire were getting, then why not shoot up to push yourself over the edge?"

yeah when I heard Canseco say that Rickey was the first person to come to my mind as well...it would almost have to be a recent inductee and after you eliminate Sandberg, Boggs, Gwynn and those types and given that Rickey came back to the A's in '89 he's the best guess.

BunchOBull · July 31, 2009 4:36AM

<< "They played together in Oakland in the early 90s. Obviously this is pure conjecture, but it really wouldn't surprise me. Rickey was always trying to get bigger and if he saw the results Canseco and McGwire were getting, then why not shoot up to push yourself over the edge?"

yeah when I heard Canseco say that Rickey was the first person to come to my mind as well...it would almost have to be a recent inductee and after you eliminate Sandberg, Boggs, Gwynn and those types and given that Rickey came back to the A's in '89 he's the best guess. >>

"Canseco won't name who he's talking about, but he did say it's not his former Oakland teammate, Rickey Henderson, who was just inducted at Cooperstown.

"I have no knowledge of Rickey using steroids in any manner, shape or form," Canseco said in an interview with 950 ESPN radio in Philadelphia."

link

Carew29 · July 31, 2009 5:00AM

who gives a rats arce who is on the list....get the whole frikkin list out there with whoever is on it and let's move on!!! Ask the fans last night if they care if Ortiz was on steriods in 03 when he it that clutch homer last night!!

lsutigers1973 · July 31, 2009 5:11AM

<< Did anyone see Garciaparra on ESPN last night. He was sweating bullets. He might be on his way to Mexico as we speak. Basically when asked he gave an answer to the effect "some guys wanted to test positive so that the mininum number would be met to force the implementation of mandatory testing." >>

Commissioner's office already stated that Garciaparra's claim was false and that no one was allowed to admit to a positive test without actually being tested.

ndleo · July 31, 2009 5:16AM

<< Did anyone see Garciaparra on ESPN last night. He was sweating bullets. He might be on his way to Mexico as we speak. Basically when asked he gave an answer to the effect "some guys wanted to test positive so that the mininum number would be met to force the implementation of mandatory testing."

GEESH

And I thought Arod's "cousin" excuse sounded like it came out of the mouth of a 12 year old.

If that list is accurate it looks like the Red Sox may have been pushing PED's to gain a competitive advantage. >>

I think it is funny that the Red Sox fans have to get off their high horse and accept the fact that their 2 WS titles were powered by Roids. I guess Theo isn't at smart as he thinks he is. Also is Billy Beane really as smart of a GM as Moneyball would like you to think? The Bay Area was Roid central.

sagard · July 31, 2009 5:31AM

<< I think it is funny that the Red Sox fans have to get off their high horse and accept the fact that their 2 WS titles were powered by Roids. I guess Theo isn't at smart as he thinks he is. Also is Billy Beane really as smart of a GM as Moneyball would like you to think? The Bay Area was Roid central. >>

I think it's funny anyone thinks any of the last 15-20 years teams were clean of steroid use.

digicat · July 31, 2009 5:55AM

In this era, "inject the steroids" is as much part of the game as "advance the runner," sadly enough.

gemint · July 31, 2009 6:43AM

If they do manage to clean up the game, I wonder if we'll see the return of pitchers being able to start 30+ games per season without blowing out their arms. If they aren't on PEDs and they aren't having to try to put away hitters that have superhuman strength, that may minimize pitching injuries.

jackstraw · July 31, 2009 6:55AM

So the last great power hitter is Reggie Jackson all though Reggie was in Oakland in 87 and Canseco, Mcgwire and Weiss?

matthewbschultz83 · July 31, 2009 7:00AM

This may be blasphemous, especially with the logo above my username..

But could it be...Nolan Ryan.

ndleo · July 31, 2009 7:53AM

<< 

<< I think it is funny that the Red Sox fans have to get off their high horse and accept the fact that their 2 WS titles were powered by Roids. I guess Theo isn't at smart as he thinks he is. Also is Billy Beane really as smart of a GM as Moneyball would like you to think? The Bay Area was Roid central. >>

I think it's funny anyone thinks any of the last 15-20 years teams were clean of steroid use. >>

The last non-roid team to win it all was probably the 1988 Dodgers. The only real power hitter they had was Gibson.

lanemyer85 · July 31, 2009 1:31PM

the 91 Twins weren't exactly teeming with power...they had Chili Davis who hit 29 and I think he was implicated in one of the roids scandals but otherwise that team was more than likely clean as no one else hit more than Hrbek's 20.

sbtrailrider · July 31, 2009 2:03PM

Let's face it - the list is conjecture and the rights of the players to privacy was supposed to be protected during this random test, hence there won't be any fallout from the league.

If Baseball (and I use the capital on purpose) wants to clean up, then they need to do year round random testing with major suspensions, just as cycling and track now do. Those sports have had periods of intense drug use and they are now way behind in getting the fans to believe in a clean sport.

Give everyone amnesty as of this year. Test positive starting in Jan 2010 and get a two year suspension. Deal the juice and get a lifetime ban. Simple.

1960toppsguy · July 31, 2009 2:38PM

List is accurate but there are many, many others to come

nightcrawler · July 31, 2009 2:56PM

Oh! the humanity.

BunchOBull · July 31, 2009 9:41PM

<< Give everyone amnesty as of this year. Test positive starting in Jan 2010 and get a two year suspension. Deal the juice and get a lifetime ban. Simple. >>

PED testing has been a mainstay in baseball since 2004. There is no more amnesty in my opinion. Of course, anything that happened before then in off limits from professional persecution by the nature of this situation. However, those on this list deserve to be held to the court of public opinion. The names will come up, trickling down when some third party decides the time is "right." The MLBPA needs to take away the shock factor, remove the power from the hands of those leaking information, and just come clean.

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