Yet another NT/AT thread...

RyGuy · July 9, 2009 8:31AM

Coin in question...

I have no interest in this particular item; however, I am curious as to how my fellow numismatists sum this one up.

Ryan

relicsncoins · July 9, 2009 8:34AM

I think AT, and would never get into a slab today.

rainbowroosie · July 9, 2009 8:40AM

I think AT, and would never get into a slab today. yep

TonedCoinTrader · July 9, 2009 8:46AM

It is Natural, but as others have said it would be tough to get it in a slab now a days.

soty27 · July 9, 2009 8:53AM

Well first off you need to be familiar with the current seller of this coin. The seller JUICES the crap out of his photos. The coin is question does not look like the photo. I will track down a photo of the coin without all the juice so you can see that yes in fact the coin is NT.

RyGuy · July 9, 2009 8:57AM

<< Well first off you need to be familiar with the current seller of this coin. The seller JUICES the crap out of his photos. The coin is question does not look like the photo. I will track down a photo of the coin without all the juice so you can see that yes in fact the coin is NT. >>

That photo could quickly end the debate!

stinkinlincoln · July 9, 2009 8:59AM

NT, pics seem juiced. Also, I thought ebay made it so sellers had to provide pics of both sides of the holder?

morgansforever · July 9, 2009 9:48AM

The obverse is ok IMO, the reverse is BUT, butt ugly toning.

TomB · July 9, 2009 9:54AM

Who cares? It's nasty as all get out.

shottaker · July 9, 2009 9:57AM

Someone used MS70 on this coin. Sometimes depending upon the contaminents on the surface this creates this color. A lot of 19th century proofs with this color have had the same treatment. There were some puppy mills for making proofs with this color until the major tpg's quit slabbing them and started calling most AT. I'll get flamed for this as many members here probably own a few of these blue/gree/hint of red copper proof coins in their collections. I think the coins are beautiful and they ARE chemically stable as you can get copper to be but unless you lived next to an ammonia factory they're made!

ArizonaJack · July 9, 2009 10:20AM

I am in the MS-70 gang.........
And an ugly treatment at that

truthteller · July 9, 2009 10:38AM

<< Someone used MS70 on this coin. Sometimes depending upon the contaminents on the surface this creates this color. A lot of 19th century proofs with this color have had the same treatment. There were some puppy mills for making proofs with this color until the major tpg's quit slabbing them and started calling most AT. I'll get flamed for this as many members here probably own a few of these blue/gree/hint of red copper proof coins in their collections. I think the coins are beautiful and they ARE chemically stable as you can get copper to be but unless you lived next to an ammonia factory they're made! >>

Not all copper applied with the MS70 chemical are stable. Could this coin represent the future of many of those slabbed blue coppers? One should check their safe deposit box regularly, especially in humid climate areas.

TRUTH

shottaker · July 9, 2009 10:41AM

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<< Someone used MS70 on this coin. Sometimes depending upon the contaminents on the surface this creates this color. A lot of 19th century proofs with this color have had the same treatment. There were some puppy mills for making proofs with this color until the major tpg's quit slabbing them and started calling most AT. I'll get flamed for this as many members here probably own a few of these blue/gree/hint of red copper proof coins in their collections. I think the coins are beautiful and they ARE chemically stable as you can get copper to be but unless you lived next to an ammonia factory they're made! >>

Not all copper applied with the MS70 chemical are stable. Could this coin represent the future of many of those slabbed blue coppers? One should check their safe deposit box regularly, especially in humid climate areas.

TRUTH >>

Most are stable unless they leave some residue from the reaction on the coin ie: didnt completely remove what they went after in the first place.
Thats probably what it looked like on the graders table. Maybe not but I would bet therwise.

Sunnywood · July 9, 2009 11:02AM

Looks like an unnatural POS to me, sorry to be so blunt. Must have turned in the holder after it was slabbed ...

airplanenut · July 9, 2009 11:22AM

That seller also horrifically juices pictures. I started a thread (can't find it right now) with my and his pictures of a coin I used to own... they looked nothing alike. But regardless of what he did here, that coin is ugly.

anablep · July 9, 2009 11:47AM

The obverse I could live with; the reverse is an awful mess...

garsmith · July 9, 2009 11:50AM

The reverse looks like something you would pull from a septic tank

WoodenJefferson · July 9, 2009 11:57AM

That "thing" has BIN price like it's the "Holy Grail" of 54-S cents.

BlindedByEgo · July 9, 2009 12:00PM

Awww, geez - that coin is a MESS.

Walmann · July 9, 2009 2:00PM

<< The reverse looks like something you would pull from a septic tank >>

Considering the sellers name there is a possibility...

john-strategies

Swampboy · July 9, 2009 2:50PM

Woof!

GrumpyEd · July 9, 2009 3:46PM

I grade it as "worth about 8 cents" regardless of AT/NT.

Bubblehead · July 9, 2009 3:57PM

I have to say it is NT. Why? Back in 19 and 76, I put up about 10 rolls
of P Lincolns... They came in red papered bank wrappings. Two years
ago, I opened up two rolls of them to look for something for my 1976
registry mint set. They all exhibited an identical oil on water look,
very similar to this example! I sent about a dozen of them in for
certification... All but 1 of them was BB'd for QT. The single Linc
that certified, had the least toning.... I actually send four of them
back down, six months later...They BB'd for QT, a second time!

Oh well..

CHAMELEON · July 9, 2009 4:19PM

It's kinda tough to say for sure from the pics, but if I had a gun to my head I'd have to say it was natural. I've had a few pennies with deep electric blue toning that were left out and the blue faded to a silver/brassy kind of color somewhat similar to the coin in question. I'd drop ten bucks on that coin if it goes to auction.

Boom · July 9, 2009 5:47PM

Dah-yumm! I'm with the BUTT FUGLY Crew!

How in the world this this POS EVER get in a PCGS holder?

Elcontador · July 9, 2009 6:47PM

I've seen more attractive things in a toilet bowl than this coin. Toye govnó (apologies for not being able to write this in the Cyrillic characters of its Serbo-Croatian origin).

kryptonitecomics · July 10, 2009 12:07AM

I would say NT or more likely ED and agree with two key points previously mentioned...

#1 that coin would not slab today

#2 this seller manipulates the heck out of all of his coin photo's and I have seen before and after pictures from others as well as coin I have owned and they look nothing like his images. As long as people continue to buy from him he will continue to do what he is doing so unfortunately I think he will be a permenant fixture on Ebay as many of the buyers have no clue what they are doing.

Yet another NT/AT thread...

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