Low-Ball'rs... Just move on please!

onefasttalon · June 15, 2009 12:35AM

I can't stand time-wasters.

I have an item listed on the 'Bay for $39.99... wouldn't common sense tell ya that an offer of $8 would immed. get declined?
I've pretty much stopped with counter-offers, especially when the 'offered' amount is 20% of the asking.

Well, my normal course of action is to decline and just add these tools to my BBL. That's what I did, and immediately get this response:

"Wow, you're negotiating skills SUCK! A normal person would have counteroffered and then I would have sent over a higher bid. You've got a lot to learn, child... Thanks for putting me on your block list you unappreciative POS."

Soo... it would appear I've done the RIGHT thing by adding this genius to my BBL... might want to follow suite. The userID is: stlstu

Have a nice day,
unappreciative POS

rexvos · June 15, 2009 12:38AM

what is the item?

lawnmowerman · June 15, 2009 12:42AM

<< I have an item listed on the 'Bay for $39.99... wouldn't common sense tell ya that an offer of $8 would immed. get declined? >>

Would ya take $8.50?

onefasttalon · June 15, 2009 12:42AM

what is the item?

.... it's a Jay Cutler Bowman Chrome Rc PSA 10.
I realize that $40 is a little high right now... it's more like a $30 today.
Kinda hopin' he starts strong for the Bears though.

ping4u43 · June 15, 2009 12:47AM

<< what is the item?

.... it's a Jay Cutler Bowman Chrome Rc PSA 10.
I realize that $40 is a little high right now... it's more like a $30 today.
Kinda hopin' he starts strong for the Bears though. >>

Biggest Crybaby in the NFL. Jay Cutler

jackstraw · June 15, 2009 12:48AM

If you don't want to field offers don't use the feature.
I don't see how you can complain about an offer regardless
how small? Why would you block a potential bidder/buyer
because he offered a price too low for your liking?

Just sayin......

Griffins · June 15, 2009 12:51AM

you can set it to automatically reject offers below a certain amount.

Boopotts · June 15, 2009 12:56AM

I already like Russ, but the fact that he just blocked a guy for making a stupid offer makes me like him even more.

richtree · June 15, 2009 12:58AM

I have to disagree here. In general, maybe not in this instance, sellers put an unreasonably high BIN price to attract traffic in hope of getting an offer that would be higher than the real price that they would like to sell their item for.

Also, some sellers well do this so they can end the listing early and avoid ebay fees altogether.

If you don't want to be bothered with small offers, you should set your auction not to accept any offers above a certain price.

For all we know, as a buyer, than you may part with the item for less if no one is biting. So, I think you can't be mad at someone for trying, if anything you should be mad that you didn't set your auction up to automaticly decline such low offers.

MeteoriteGuy · June 15, 2009 1:00AM

<< you can set it to automatically reject offers below a certain amount. >>

Very true, if low ball offers annoy you, set the automatic rejection at what you would take as the lowest.

Different sellers are different. I have won things with BO at 20-25% and had things turned down at 90%. I've had people buy expensive items that had BO without making an offer as well. You can just never predict what the guy on the other end is thinking.

jackstraw · June 15, 2009 1:06AM

He who has never tried to low ball a seller on a card
can be the first to complain about someone doing it to them.............

onefasttalon · June 15, 2009 1:08AM

I have most of my BIN auctions setup to automatically reject bids that are too low... just forgot to check that box when I set this one up.
That's my-bad... but still, how much success can you have offering up 20% of asking?... surely not much.

Cutler is a cry-baby... but he can also play the game.
Folks in Chicago are hard-core collectors too...

Honestly, I'm an Orton fan... as a Purdue grad, I root for my fellow alumni. I hope he does well in Denver!

I realize there are plenty of sides to be seen on low-ball offers... I was just a little shocked at the response I got and felt like sharing.

I figured most of you wouldn't want your time wasted by this person either. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong.

Then again... WTH do I know? ... look at who I collect!

perkdog · June 15, 2009 1:15AM

I think your overreacting actually, blocking a guy because he makes an offer? I could see if he continued to bother you with numerous offers changing from $8 to say $8.25 to $8.30 ect.. and being a pita about it but you never know he could have came back at you after the $8 opffer with a $35 offer which you might have taken.

I had a high end card listed for a $1499 BIN with a BO attached to it and I get an offer for $600 which I politely decline and the guy responds about VCP ect and all this crap to which I ignore, well the next day he ups his offer to $900 which again I decline with a "Thank you but no thank you" several days go by and I get an email asking me what my bottom line is for the card as he wants to buy it, I let him know my number is $1350 and we seal the deal. Sure I laughed at the $600 offer but had I blocked him I might not have ever got what I wanted for the card.

digicat · June 15, 2009 1:30AM

How much do PSA 10 Cuttlers usually sell for? A BGS 9.5 just sold for less than $13.

onefasttalon · June 15, 2009 1:37AM

How much do PSA 10 Cuttlers usually sell for? A BGS 9.5 just sold for less than $13.

Yep, I just noticed that. That's the lowest (by far) I've seen this card sell for... it's also sold for #39.95 recently in a BGS 9.5.

Looks like most of these cards are listed in the $30-45 range on the 'Bay.

mtcards · June 15, 2009 1:50AM

<< I have most of my BIN auctions setup to automatically reject bids that are too low... just forgot to check that box when I set this one up.
That's my-bad... but still, how much success can you have offering up 20% of asking?... surely not much. >>

Its kind of like the guy who has a terrible pick up line for the ladies. He gets rejected 99 times, but on the 100th time he gets the girl and takes her home. It only has to work once for it to be successful.

I used to have a lot of BIN or BO when I had my ebay store and yes, I got a lot of stupid offers and I just declined them. I didnt counteroffer a stupid offer, nor did I add him to a BB list (Which is an overreaction IMO).

Techinically "Best Offer" is just that. If $8 was this dudes best offer, then that was it. I disagree with his premise that you should counteroffer and he would have reoffered something higher, that is stupid on his part.

Edited to add: I have bought roughly 40 Bowman Chrome Cutler's raw over the past year or so and have never paid more than $3, so the demand is quite low on that item right now.

theskypilot · June 15, 2009 4:43AM

did you "C" rumor-mill, denver names ORTON their starting QB.

SKY

storm888 · June 15, 2009 4:56AM

<< He who has never tried to low ball a seller on a card
can be the first to complain about someone doing it to them............. >>

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Might be some merit there.

BUT, murderers do NOT want to be murdered; and, they
should probably not be faulted for trying to avoid it.

.........

I have used the auto-decline feature to keep the lowballs out.

If I was not using the AD, I would block any lowball bidder.

I really don't care if an item sells, if it does not sell at my price.

There are still plenty of retail buyers on EBAY. It makes no sense
for me to do 500 sales and make the same amount of money I
can make doing only 100 sales.

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However, I will negotiate with buyers on high-priced items. It's
just not worth the effort on low-priced stuff.

msassin · June 15, 2009 5:02AM

Here is one I saved from a couple months ago. I don't do "Best Offers" on my store items, but generally make counter offers EXCEPT for when then offer is less than I am paying for more of that type of item.

Re: You've received an answer to your question about item 1941 Play Ball #40 Johnny Babich - Athletics PSA 7
Hello again, if the offer on the cards is not to your liking why did you not reply with a counter proposal. I have not up to this point found a seller in any venue that thought his price was all or nothing. Whether car, boat, handgun, or baseball card, the part that is most fun and rewarding is the negotiating. I'll buy these cards somewhere but it would be easier to buy more than one card from you, easier to ship, moving more merchandise, etc. Maybe you're loaded, maybe you're in a position where you don't need to employ the most fundamental buying and selling procedure known since the dawn of man. If that's the case congratulations, If not, I'm auctioning a book next week "buying and selling 101"

thedutymon · June 15, 2009 5:25AM

One fastalon,
I am with you, after going almost 12 years on E-bay with no Negs, I got attacked the last month and got 8, 7 from the same guy who I refunded all his money including shipping back to me after telling me I sold him some bogus Wacky Packages that averaged out to about .10 each. Yeah I have got quite the Conterfeiting going on fabricating worthless items...Get real!!!!. And the other guy who negs me never even contacts me, (And here is the Kicker, he contacted me before buying to ask me three different inane questions about a .99 cent item...So I Was Warned!!!).
So yeah now I am Gun Shy!!!! So now if I get a low ball number on one of my items or any inclination from the question asked that the Buyer is one brick short of a load or has any kind of attitude....BBL they go now...Do Not Pass go..Do not anything. End of Story!!! Too many wackouts on E-Bay!!!!

Neil

TomGshotput · June 15, 2009 5:39AM

<< "Wow, you're negotiating skills SUCK! A normal person would have counteroffered and then I would have sent over a higher bid. You've got a lot to learn, child... Thanks for putting me on your block list you unappreciative POS." >>

A normal person would have understood that Best Offer does not mean half of what your ture best offer is. . .

<< the part that is most fun and rewarding is the negotiating >>

Then go to yard sales with a sack of loose change and see what chipped coffee mugs or Jackie Chan VHS tapes you can walk away with. For most people, if they see something they like that is a poor value or beyond their budget they simply move on

WinPitcher · June 15, 2009 6:04AM

I think blocking the guy was a little harsh.

However, it is the sellers right to do so.

Steve

thunderdan · June 15, 2009 7:47AM

In my opinion, too many sellers take these lowball offers personally.

Best option as has been mentioned is to set an auto-decline for so-called "insulting" offers. Otherwise, isn't just a simple decline enough? Nobody says you have to take a lowball offer, but maybe the guy is sincere (but unaware of the card's value). Either way, I wouldn't have blocked him--just declined (or auto-declined) and never given it another thought. I certainly don't entertain debates about my price with a pushy buyer. It is what it is.

For me, blocking is primarily reserved for non-paying buyers. People that ask stupid questions or make outrageously low offers might be bottom feeders, but that doesn't mean they're crooks, and for me, it certainly doesn't warrant blocking them. Sometimes the bottom feeders end up giving you your price anyway. This has happened to me several times on high $ items.

But, to each his own. Every seller has the right to do what he/she wants.

ArchStanton · June 15, 2009 7:55AM

I am glad I never used the Best Offer option when selling.

WalterSobchak · June 15, 2009 9:13AM

Maybe the OP blocking the guy based solely on a lowball offer was a little extreme, but based on the guy's response it looks like his instinct proved correct!

I completely disagree with his stance that a "normal" person will always counter any offer. When I am selling with BIN/BO, the buyer's first offer has to be at least somewhere in the area of the neighborhood of the ballpark of a fair offer to get me to move. Otherwise I will simply decline with no explanation.... and I think a lot of sellers go about it the same way.

Whether or not I set an auto-decline amount depends on what kind of mood I'm in when I post the auction.

storm888 · June 15, 2009 9:29AM

"..Maybe the OP blocking the guy based solely on a lowball offer was a little extreme, but based on the guy's response it looks like his instinct proved correct!..."

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Yup, and I always base my blocks on the FACT that I KNOW
that 99% of the time I am going to get that kind of "response."

I bargain with people over the counter all day long and have
no feeling that it is "personal."

On EBAY, I don't take lowball offers as a personal affront. I
simply chose not to grant lowballers the privilege of dealing
with me.

And, yes, as arrogant/uppity as it may be perceived to be, I
consider that anybody who does a retail deal with me on EBAY
is privileged. They are NEVER going to get burned, they get
the BEST service, high-quality stuff that is properly described
and illustrated, with safe packaging and fast delivery guaranteed.

My stores, my stuff, my terms, my price. Folks don't like it they
need to simply KEEP their money, and I will sell to the many
calm/polite folks who are still out there.

I use EBAY to make money. NOT to raise cash for food.

rant off

lsutigers1973 · June 15, 2009 9:47AM

I have 3 1987 Donruss Greg Maddux PSA 9 rookies listed with BIN's of $24.99 OBO. Had a moron offer me $3 per card ($9 was the total offer). He happens to be a seller too with BIN OBO listings. I have more than one eBay ID.

MBMiller25 · June 15, 2009 10:10AM

<< Had a moron offer me $3 per card ($9 was the total offer). >>

Screw it, I will up my offer to $3.50 a card.

WinPitcher · June 15, 2009 10:11AM

Geeez Storm tell us how you really feel.

lol

Gotta agree with you.

Buyers need you more then you need them.

Steve

mtcards · June 15, 2009 11:21AM

I have more than one ID too...I just cant remember what it is or even to what email I had the stuff sent to

MULLINS5 · June 15, 2009 11:39AM

I recently just added a lot of hockey cards to my eBay inventory with the buy it now or best offer option. I will admit that my prices are high for the current market, but considering the cards, grades, grading fees, and research on my part at previous closing auctions, I feel that they are fair but open to negotiation.

Now I could be like everyone else and dump these cards for a few dollars, but if I don't need the money right now, then why am I going to just give the cards away? I would rather hold onto them all for awhile to get a "fair" price.

Recently I had an offer on a Mike Bossy PSA 8 NM-MT 1979 #230 card for 15.00 (buy it now = 49.99) I politely declined and referred him to my other auction for a PSA 7NM of the same card (buy it now = 24.99) he offered 15.00, I accepted, and was happy things worked out.

But I do understand how you feel about low-ball offers. This morning I received a message from an eBay member. He said that my buy it now prices were "ridiculously high". Well, that is why there is the best offer option on almost all of my inventory. If you feel like the price is too high, offer me what you think it should be.

And I agree with Steve on that it is the seller's right to block whomever he/she wants.

Patrick

jerster · June 15, 2009 2:04PM

Here's a situation. Seller has item listed for $2250 or offer. I offer $1800, but was willing to maybe go $1900. It's immediately rejected instead of countered. Item doesn't sell. Seller relists item. I then notice that the seller later accepted a buy it now offer from someone else for $1575 or something like that. Had he contacted me I would have still paid $1800+.

That one I didn't get.

PowderedH2O · June 16, 2009 12:10AM

I wouldn't have blocked the guy. I am one of those people that makes the ridiculous bid. If you put "or Best Offer" out there and it is something I want I will offer something very low to start. I work part-time at a car dealership and we get offers of $15000 for new Camry's all the time. Well, if we told people to get out of the dealership and never to come back every time we got a stupid offer we would lose a lot of sales. Just like Perkdog described, I recently bought a vintage football card in which I offered about 40% of the SMR to start. We counteroffered each other for a day or so and when all was said and done he accepted $140 for a card that he asked $175. I was happy to save $35 and he was happy to make a sale. But, had he blocked me for making a silly offer, then that card would likely still be sitting in his inventory. So why bother making the stupid offer in the first place? Partly to see how far down the seller might be willing to come on a first try, and partly because there is that rare shot that the seller needs the money or wants to move the item so badly that he takes the stupid offer. Yes, it has happened. Good luck with the Cutler card. I think you may have let a good buyer walk.

onefasttalon · June 16, 2009 12:28AM

I think you may have let a good buyer walk.

...... Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm

"Wow, you're negotiating skills SUCK! A normal person would have counteroffered and then I would have sent over a higher bid. You've got a lot to learn, child... Thanks for putting me on your block list you unappreciative POS."

... me thinks not. Anyone that makes a ridiculous offer, then follows up with this sort of response ISN'T the kinda person I want to do business with.

If you don't mind being called an unappreciative POS, child, and being told your negotiating skills SUCK... then by all means, do business with this fool.
I also doubt, that when this guy comes into your dealership and offers you 20% of asking price for a Camero, THEN calls you a POS & a child... that you will EVER come to terms.
If you attempt to tell me otherwise, you're kidding yourself.

ping4u43 · June 16, 2009 12:40AM

<< I think you may have let a good buyer walk.

...... Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm

"Wow, you're negotiating skills SUCK! A normal person would have counteroffered and then I would have sent over a higher bid. You've got a lot to learn, child... Thanks for putting me on your block list you unappreciative POS."

... me thinks not. Anyone that makes a ridiculous offer, then follows up with this sort of response ISN'T the kinda person I want to do business with.

If you don't mind being called an unappreciative POS, child, and being told your negotiating skills SUCK... then by all means, do business with this fool.
I also doubt, that when this guy comes into your dealership and offers you 20% of asking price for a Camero, THEN calls you a POS & a child... that you will EVER come to terms.
If you attempt to tell me otherwise, you're kidding yourself. >>

I was called a little person by a seller selling some crap Mantle cards, because he didn't accept my low offer. Also advised that I had better not negotigate deals for a living, or I would go broke

bigreddog · June 16, 2009 2:58AM

I can see on nice vintage stuff, But this is your typical overpriced modern crap. Jay Cutler?
Come on..... The card will be a $1.00 box filler in a year or two.

gumbyfan · June 16, 2009 3:09AM

<< I can see on nice vintage stuff, But this is your typical overpriced modern crap. Jay Cutler?
Come on..... The card will be a $1.00 box filler in a year or two. >>

Now that's the spirit. I think our highest honor here is disparaging other people's cards.

Let's keep it up!!!

PowderedH2O · June 16, 2009 3:37AM

I'm not disparaging his Jay Cutler card at all. I just don't think everyone that sends in a low offer is someone you should ban from your auctions. You lump a lot of people into a big bundle that way. Sure, some lowballers are scum. But some people that pay full list are scum too.

nam812 · June 16, 2009 4:36AM

<< I'm not disparaging his Jay Cutler card at all. I just don't think everyone that sends in a low offer is someone you should ban from your auctions. You lump a lot of people into a big bundle that way. Sure, some lowballers are scum. But some people that pay full list are scum too. >>

Why would you think gumbyfan was talking to you when he quoted someone else?

WinPitcher · June 16, 2009 4:41AM

Anyone that makes a ridiculous offer, then follows up with this sort of response ISN'T the kinda person I want to do business with.

I think the follow-up was in response to your blocking him. Is it possible he tried again and saw he was blocked?

Not saying what he did was right, I think it was more of a shock to him and he felt slighted.

Steve

WinPitcher · June 16, 2009 4:47AM

when this guy comes into your dealership and offers you 20% of asking price for a Camero, THEN calls you a POS & a child...

If the car dealer tells the 'buyer' to get out of his dealership and under no circumstances would he sell a car to him and THEN is called a POS and a child I'd agree it
would be almost the same as your case. However the car dealer made no mention of doing business like that. Big difference. With all that said you can choose to
sell to whomever you choose, my point is the two scenarios are very different.

The email you got was after you blocked the buyer. Had he emailed you in a similar fashion after you simply declined his offer I may be more sympathetic.

Steve

NickM · June 16, 2009 6:55AM

I have seen sellers behave wholly irrationally on offers they consider low, even if those offers are right in line with ebay averages.

Last fall, I put in a Best Offer on a #/2400 Jerry Porter rookie which amounted to $3 delivered. The seller declined my offer and sent me a ranting email about how awful I was and didn't I know what that card was worth. There had been 2 auction sales of the same card in the past couple of weeks - I had been the winning (and only) bidder on both - for $2.50 delivered and $2.99 delivered.
I have picked up a few more of that card from other sellers since then - never for more than $3.04 delivered.

Nick

PowderedH2O · June 17, 2009 4:46AM

If someone is at the dealership and makes a silly offer we still treat them like any other customer. We make a counteroffer and we try to explain to that person why their offer is too low. If we kicked someone out after one offer and told them they had to leave the dealership and could never come back, I would not be surprised if the customer called us some dirty names. We would deserve it.

I agree with Steve. Blocking someone just because of a low offer seems a bit harsh. If I wanted a $100 card that was sitting in your inventory for months and I thought I might be able to get it for $75, I might start my bidding at $50. If you thought that was an insult and blocked me, you have now removed me from buying your card and any future business we might do. I wouldn't call you a POS, but I would send you a reply email and point out to you that you lost a legit buyer.

Allen · June 17, 2009 6:09AM

I also like low ball offers because when I have 20 watchers and they see 3 offers come through it will sometimes motivate them to act quickly. I usually counteroffer low ball offers with reasonable offers so it will show that the offer was countered on the deal sheet. Again, it sometimes motivates a watcher to buy.

WinPitcher · June 17, 2009 6:10AM

Good advice.

Steve

Mintacular · June 17, 2009 6:36AM

I would say overall you are not right on this one. Most negotiators like to strike early and and start with a low price. In this case, the seller in question may have been thinking: "I want this card for $20 and will resell for $30. I will start with $8, he will reply with $30, I will ask him to meet me in the middle at $20..."
Instead of countering, you assumed it best price was $8 which may be far from the truth.

I was pretty pissed the other day when a dude had a PSA 5 '54 Ted Williams at SMR price with a BEST OFFER. My initial offer was about $100 below VCP but I was prepared to bump it up $50 below VCP. Instead of negotiating with me, the seller wrote me "Nice Try!" like I was trying to rip him off. He lost my business for good.

mtcards · June 17, 2009 6:53AM

I got the "Nice Try" response before on best offer, but honestly, I think if you get into an email war with someone that lowball offers you or into someone that declined your best offer, then you must have a lot more free time than me.

True story: I used to have 3 of the #/21 1999 SP Authentic buyback Mark Brunell...books for $125. The last few I had seen on ebay sold for around $80, I decided to sell the two that I wasnt using for my set. I ran an auction with a MB of $59.99 or so (forget its been a while)...no bids...put it in my ebay store (when I had one) for $69.95 or BO. Got a guy who offered me $25, I declined and counter offered $50 delivered. He sent me a ranting email about how I was an idiot for declining an offer and about how he would never pay $50 since it got no bids at $59.99.

The point is, even counteroffering sometimes leads to idiot emails if you want more than they are willing to pay, plus people forget, I collect. Maybe I would rather KEEP the card than sell it for less than my counteroffer.

CDsNuts · June 17, 2009 7:08AM

The greatest thing about ebay for most of us is we do it primarily for fun. We get rid of cards we don't need and use the money to buy cards we want. The beauty of this is that we can choose to do business with whomever we wish and it really won't have any significant short or longterm effect on our lives. Russ decided that a guy who sends an $8 offer on his $30-$40 card is wasting his time so he blocked him. It probably felt pretty good too. The likelihood of Russ ever getting close to an asking price from this guy is virtually nil.

Obviously if ebay is Russ' main source of income it's probably a good idea to let this stuff slide, but it's not and if it gives Russ satisfaction to block a guy looking to waste a seller's time by sending lowball offers than more power to him. There's nothing in the ebay rules that says a seller needs to run their auctions like a business. For some off us it's just screwing around and whether we sell a particular card or not doesn't really make that much of a difference. If money were Russ' only objective I'm sure he wouldn't have 30 million Chris Sabo cards (no offense meant, Sabo was a fine player).

Here's a question: If you were set up at a show and some guy kept offering you 20% of your asking price on stuff, wouldn't you rather he just go away? Luckily for sellers with a low tolerance for BS, ebay put a function in place that keeps people like this from bothering you and some choose to take advantage of this.

onefasttalon · June 17, 2009 7:14AM

I think several of you guys are missing the point of my thread... I was trying to point out a clown that had the audacity to send me the response that he did.
Instead, many of you are too focused on my personal preference to not deal with low-ballers. It's my decision, I know it may differ from yours.
There's no right or wrong here... just opinions.

Personally, I don't try to low-ball sellers... I don't find it respectful. If you're asking price is much higher than what I have in mind, I MOVE ON!
Why insult someone with an offering of 20%??? ... JUST MOVE ON.

Anyone that doesn't know me yet calls me a child and an unappreciative POS, isn't the sort of person that I'll EVER do business with. I just figured I wasn't
the only one that takes that stance. I guess there are people out there too worried about a potential sale... I'd rather a lower volume in sales if it means I'm dealing with higher-class buyers.

"I got the "Nice Try" response before on best offer, but honestly, I think if you get into an email war with someone that lowball offers you or into someone that declined your best offer, then you must have a lot more free time than me." ......... "The point is, even counteroffering sometimes leads to idiot emails if you want more than they are willing to pay, plus people forget, I collect. Maybe I would rather KEEP the card than sell it for less than my counteroffer."

MT... you're 100% right on the money!

.... and CDs... you're absolutely right, THANK YOU! (.... and you can't offend me... I take shots at myself all the time!)

storm888 · June 17, 2009 7:17AM

"...Luckily for sellers with a low tolerance for BS, ebay put a function in place that keeps people like this from bothering you and some choose to take advantage of this...."

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It really is pretty much that simple.

Mintacular · June 17, 2009 7:17AM

Fair enough, he has the right to block the buyer but asked the forum if he was right to do so, hence our opinions...Remember an initial $8 offer may seem low-ball but who is to say that when it is all said and done you could get this guy on the hook for $20 or more? Maybe Russ got the card for $10 and wants to bail on it quick and a $20 or better offer would be fine with him?

I know a dealer at a show that sells out all of his stuff. He offers all things starting off at 75% off and usually comes down another 10% or so. Thus, if he turned away all buyers that wanted his cards at 20% he would have very few buyers. Granted, his started price is HBV and many of the cards sold are less than EX but the point is that sometimes 20% is more than enough. For example, he had a miscut but decent '53 Topps Robinson ($800 HBV) at 75% off ($125 and ended up selling it for $100).

Low-Ball'rs... Just move on please!

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