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Beware - a bunch of auctions on Ebay have pics of the good dates on the Lincolns and ship bad ones

I purchased a bunch of formative years rolls on Ebay. The pictures show the good dates for the doubled dies, yet you rcv crappy dates like 4/21 instead. Different than what the picture showed. I will be giving negatives to each and every one of them, except the guy that showed 4/30 and sent 4/17 which were fine.

Just beware the thieves are onto the gig and mis-leading.

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    rbfrbf Posts: 452 ✭✭
    A lot of sellers use stock photos for these "commodity" type of items (mint rolls, sets, etc.)... Did the description explicitly say "the coins in the photo are the actual coins you will receive" or something along those lines? If not, then I definitely think it would be wrong to assume such sellers are guilty of intentional misrepresentation / deception. Keep in mind, most collectors are NOT into highly specialized niches of the coin market such as doubled dies, hence the date stamp on the box is totally arbitrary to them.
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    jmj3esqjmj3esq Posts: 5,421
    From what I have heard from others is that the dates mean absolutely nothing. I said 4/29 was th best becaus eI found a ton of DDRs, but another guy said he had 5 sets from the same date and found none. I would not neg anyone for that.
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    I had the same thing happen to me. I bought a single box from him and it came in fine as pictured a 4/29 box. I then saw he had a set of 5 boxes on auction and I jumped on it for a BIN. The pictures was of 5 boxes all dated 4/29 and so I overpaid like a fool and I received 5 boxes of 4/17's. I asked the guy for a partial refund since the item in the picture is not what I got. His reponse was that he never said in his desciption what dates were on the box and he did say that if you had any questions to please ask. Questions? Why would I ask a question when your picture is clear as a bell and your BIN is appropriately priced for that date. He told me not to ASS-U-ME anything and I should have asked if the items in the picture were the ones I would get. After waiting a day and a half for his last reponse I gave up and wrote the jerk off. I finally ended it by emailing him and saying keep the damn money, you obviously need it much more than me. I am sick of all the false advertising on the bay. "Promising Dreams, Delivering Nightmares" the new ebay slogan.
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    notwilightnotwilight Posts: 12,864 ✭✭✭
    I woundn't neg them unless they stated that the date/box you see is what you get or you asked them about the date. Most sellers wouldn't even notice the date unless they read threads here. --Jerry
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    WinPitcherWinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭
    Is it just a coincidence that they show only the good dates?

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    Steve
    Good for you.
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    notwilightnotwilight Posts: 12,864 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Is it just a coincidence that they show only the good dates?

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    Steve >>



    Don't convict them based on a possible explanation that they are a scammer. As an honest seller I see these threads and realize it could happen to me. I sold several boxes of LP1 lincolns and didn't even look at the date. I used the same picture. I hope nobody was disappointed by the date on the one they got. --Jerry
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    LanLordLanLord Posts: 11,754 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I purchased a bunch of formative years rolls on Ebay. The pictures show the good dates for the doubled dies, yet you rcv crappy dates like 4/21 instead. Different than what the picture showed. I will be giving negatives to each and every one of them, except the guy that showed 4/30 and sent 4/17 which were fine.

    Just beware the thieves are onto the gig and mis-leading. >>

    I'm not sure I understand the difference. One person sent wrong dates gets a neg, another does and doesn't? Seems to make no sense. did their auctions state that you would receive "good dates" as opposed to "crappy dates" or that you would receive rolls of formative years lincoln cents? If you read into the auction something that wasn't stated, it's not their fault. If they are stating you receive the dates pictured, then even the "good date" that doesn't match the date pictured should be negged!
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    derrybderryb Posts: 38,555 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Never assume you are getting what is pictured unless seller states that you are. If he doesn't and you specifically want exactly what is pictured then ask seller about it. A lot of sellers use a stock photo for multiple items, just lift pics from other listings because they are too lazy to take their own or they aren't good at taking a good pic.

    Another opition is to file a dispute "not as described." If seller delivers something different than what is picutured and did not make this clear in the description then it is not as described. Seller is using a picture to describe his product just as he uses words. He has an obligation to make it clear that you will not be receiving exactly what is pictured.

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    bumanchubumanchu Posts: 1,383 ✭✭✭

    I used the ask a seller a question function on ebay and was told one date and he shipped me two different dates.

    Class act.

    He gets no more of my money.
    And I ain't lying this time.
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    TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 45,012 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    WinPitcherWinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭
    If seller delivers something different than what is picutured and did not make this clear in the description then it is not as described.





    Bingo, and fwiw I'm not saying such sellers are scammers. I'm simply saying that they did not ship what was pictured.

    It is not up to a buyer to ask if what is pictured is being sold. It is up to the seller to disclose such info.

    Now if the seller claimed his pic is a stock pic and what is being shown may or not be what is being sold I have no problem.


    It would be like a seller pictures a MS 66 Morgan dollar and sends an inferior coin. Both are Morgan dollars, what's the problem?

    Steve



    Good for you.
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    19Lyds19Lyds Posts: 26,503 ✭✭✭✭
    Man you folks just assume a whole lot about this "Date on the Box" thing.

    The dates on the box indicate when the coins inside the box were packaged, not necessarily when they were rolled. It could very well be two completely different dates.

    IMO, if you're looking for a specific date box then ask the seller before you bid if what you see (date wise) is what you will receive.
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    << <i>Man you folks just assume a whole lot about this "Date on the Box" thing.

    The dates on the box indicate when the coins inside the box were packaged, not necessarily when they were rolled. It could very well be two completely different dates.

    IMO, if you're looking for a specific date box then ask the seller before you bid if what you see (date wise) is what you will receive. >>


    Like I said earlier, I bought a single box off the seller and it was as advertised. The second auction was for a 5 box set with a picture of 5 boxes all dated 4/29. nothing in the description saying that items pictured are a stock picture or that I will not receive these dates. Seems pretty simple to me. I will add the item number so you can be the judge. item# 280355290509 .
    tell me what you would do? Do you really think asking the seller if these are the dates you will receive after buying one on an earlier auction and getting what was pictured?
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    anoldgoatanoldgoat Posts: 1,493 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I woundn't neg them unless they stated that the date/box you see is what you get or you asked them about the date. Most sellers wouldn't even notice the date unless they read threads here. --Jerry >>



    Gotta agree. On boxed sets where only the box is pictured you may not get that box. If it is not stated that the boxed item is the one you'll get then ask.

    Now if a coin is pictured then I would expect that coin unless it is stated otherwise.
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    TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 45,012 ✭✭✭✭✭
    ....image but, but...

    There's an expiration date on my milk container image
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    TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 45,012 ✭✭✭✭✭
    ....ask for the "Second Chance" offer image
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    eyoung429eyoung429 Posts: 6,374


    << <i>I purchased a bunch of formative years rolls on Ebay. The pictures show the good dates for the doubled dies, yet you rcv crappy dates like 4/21 instead. Different than what the picture showed. I will be giving negatives to each and every one of them, except the guy that showed 4/30 and sent 4/17 which were fine.

    Just beware the thieves are onto the gig and mis-leading. >>



    You should have asked the buyer explicitly what the actual date of the set is. too many ppl using stock or stolen photo's now.
    This is a very dumb ass thread. - Laura Sperber - Tuesday January 09, 2007 11:16 AM image

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    garsmithgarsmith Posts: 5,894 ✭✭
    Need links to the auctions to determine if the buyer or seller is wrong.
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    ClosedLoopClosedLoop Posts: 1,077 ✭✭✭
    I bought a box on ebay labled 4/29 in the photo and this was part of the discription.(bottom) I have not recieved them yet.
    should i expect a box from 4/29?



    THEY ARE PACKAGED IN THE ORIGINAL U.S. MINT BOX UN-OPENED AS SHOWN IN THE PHOTO.
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    CapgunCapgun Posts: 899 ✭✭✭
    Not if you bought them from 2003romano.

    He's one to block. Shows the generic Mint 2 roll picture on his ads.
    I sent him a message asking the date/time. He replied " 4/27." All the boxes he shipped were May dates.

    I asked him why he lied. He said prove it, so I replied to his original message. Received another evil message, so
    he's getting a neg.
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    bumanchubumanchu Posts: 1,383 ✭✭✭

    FWIW, I have asked sellers what dates they are actually selling via ask the seller a question function, seconds later repeated the process, come back to my message box after a few minutes, read the response, clicked on the auction to buy, only to find the seller posted my question and someone else "bought it now" literally a couple of minutes before I would have, and most likely due to my asking the question. This happened at least twice this past week

    BUMMER!

    I guess you have to keep several windows open and act like you are an air traffic controller to win the game.
    And I ain't lying this time.
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    08HALA2008HALA20 Posts: 3,066 ✭✭✭
    Same thing happened to me in 2 auctions. I did not give negative feedback.

    I just bought 5 boxes of 4/27 date because I had good luck with the 3 previous 4/27 dated boxes.

    I specifically offered the seller a price for the 5 4/27 boxes and he listed an auction for me with the 4/27 dates.

    This person will get a neg if I do not get 4/27 dated boxes.

    Joe


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    08HALA2008HALA20 Posts: 3,066 ✭✭✭


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    << <i>Man you folks just assume a whole lot about this "Date on the Box" thing.

    The dates on the box indicate when the coins inside the box were packaged, not necessarily when they were rolled. It could very well be two completely different dates.

    IMO, if you're looking for a specific date box then ask the seller before you bid if what you see (date wise) is what you will receive. >>


    Like I said earlier, I bought a single box off the seller and it was as advertised. The second auction was for a 5 box set with a picture of 5 boxes all dated 4/29. nothing in the description saying that items pictured are a stock picture or that I will not receive these dates. Seems pretty simple to me. I will add the item number so you can be the judge. item# 280355290509 .
    tell me what you would do? Do you really think asking the seller if these are the dates you will receive after buying one on an earlier auction and getting what was pictured? >>



    That really is crazy, for the sake of $50 the seller loses his credibility.
    $20 per box versus $30 per box.

    Joe
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    19Lyds19Lyds Posts: 26,503 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>Man you folks just assume a whole lot about this "Date on the Box" thing.

    The dates on the box indicate when the coins inside the box were packaged, not necessarily when they were rolled. It could very well be two completely different dates.

    IMO, if you're looking for a specific date box then ask the seller before you bid if what you see (date wise) is what you will receive. >>


    Like I said earlier, I bought a single box off the seller and it was as advertised. The second auction was for a 5 box set with a picture of 5 boxes all dated 4/29. nothing in the description saying that items pictured are a stock picture or that I will not receive these dates. Seems pretty simple to me. I will add the item number so you can be the judge. item# 280355290509 .
    tell me what you would do? Do you really think asking the seller if these are the dates you will receive after buying one on an earlier auction and getting what was pictured? >>



    If I was that concerned about dates I would have done what the auction stated: "...ANY QUESTIONS PLEASE ASK...REGARDS... "

    Again, I think that you folks that are buying according to the date on the box are just setting yourselves up for disappointment since there are no guarantees that any of them contain the DDR you might be looking for.

    Auction 280355290509
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    aficionadoaficionado Posts: 2,309 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Not if you bought them from 2003romano.

    He's one to block. Shows the generic Mint 2 roll picture on his ads.
    I sent him a message asking the date/time. He replied " 4/27." All the boxes he shipped were May dates.

    I asked him why he lied. He said prove it, so I replied to his original message. Received another evil message, so
    he's getting a neg. >>



    You probably could do an 'item not as described' and get your money back. (charge back).


    My opinion is the picture means nothing, if the date is not referred to in the description.


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    Thanks for the link help Lee. We are only concerned about these dates because these are the dates we know that have a BETTER chance at finding the DDR's. If we didn't know what particular dates we wanted then this thread wouldn't exist and we would not be buying these boxes for these premiums. Once you said the date of your find in the 5/05 boxes I saw a spike in the prices for that date also.
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    clackamasclackamas Posts: 5,615


    << <i>Need links to the auctions to determine if the buyer or seller is wrong. >>



    OK here are the links.
    Auction 1 - 6 sets on a BIN one 4/29 pictured - Shipped 1 4/29 and 5 5/6 Auction 1

    Auction 2 - 5 sets BIN Pictured 4/29 shipped 4/21 (it was in the fine print Auction 2
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    clackamasclackamas Posts: 5,615


    << <i>Man you folks just assume a whole lot about this "Date on the Box" thing.
    The dates on the box indicate when the coins inside the box were packaged, not necessarily when they were rolled. It could very well be two completely different dates.
    IMO, if you're looking for a specific date box then ask the seller before you bid if what you see (date wise) is what you will receive. >>





    << <i>From what I have heard from others is that the dates mean absolutely nothing. I said 4/29 was th best becaus eI found a ton of DDRs, but another guy said he had 5 sets from the same date and found none. I would not neg anyone for that. >>



    The dates have tons of meaning, and people, IMO are explointing it to various degrees.
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    ConnecticoinConnecticoin Posts: 13,275 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Auction 2 - 5 sets BIN Pictured 4/29 shipped 4/21 (it was in the fine print Auction 2 >>



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    WinPitcherWinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭
    Not sure what the problem is regarding auction 2.

    The seller states in the description what date you will receive.

    It is different then the pic and I see no problem with it.


    Steve
    Good for you.
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    WinPitcherWinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭
    As for auction number 1 he makes no disclaimer in his description so I would go by his picture as to what box
    I was to get.

    The burden is on him to send what he pictures in this case.


    in the sleazy world of ebay yes it is best to ask the seller if what is pictured is actually what will be sent.

    Especially when such info is needed so one could make an informed buy.


    Steve
    Good for you.
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    CapgunCapgun Posts: 899 ✭✭✭
    Wow. It pays to read the add!

    Link
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    WinPitcherWinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭
    I don't see a problem with JesseWV's auction.

    Steve
    Good for you.
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    CapgunCapgun Posts: 899 ✭✭✭
    I don't either, some may find the pics misleading after all the talk about receiving "not the pic" boxes.
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    WinPitcherWinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭
    ummm no, he has the dates blanked out and in his description he clearly states what dates you may get.

    he also states to email him if you want a specific date.

    Steve


    Good for you.

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