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Attribute and grade this Bust Half Dime please **Surely I get a "You Suck" for this!**
UtahCoin
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I think I know what it is, but let's hear your opinion.
I used to be somebody, now I'm just a coin collector.
Recipient of the coveted "You Suck" award, April 2009 for cherrypicking a 1833 CBHD LM-5, and April 2022 for a 1835 LM-12, and again in Aug 2012 for picking off a 1952 FS-902.
Recipient of the coveted "You Suck" award, April 2009 for cherrypicking a 1833 CBHD LM-5, and April 2022 for a 1835 LM-12, and again in Aug 2012 for picking off a 1952 FS-902.
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For those interested in the attribution of this extremely rare die marriage, the obverse die exhibits strong repunching of star 6 on the top two points, and the star-to-dentil relationships are UUCL. On the reverse, the S of PLURIBUS is entirely under E of STATES, both loops of S2 are filled, and the scroll ends under the left upright of M of AMERICA.
<< <i>Utah,
congrads again, please tell the scoop, where, when, how, and do you collect cbhd's?
Alan >>
About a month ago I decided to start a set of Capped Bust Half Dimes by die marriage. I thought they were quite reasonably in the XF - AU grade range, and so I started. About 3 weeks ago I was at a coin show and was able to purchase about 12 different examples, most R-3's and R-4's and one R-5.
Fast forward to about a a week and a half ago and I found this example, of all places, eBay. It was a 7 day auction that languished with 2 bids and at $91 all week. The pictures were not the best ( auction link), but I was convinced it was the LM-5. I sweated all week and placed a snipe bid of about $2500, and waited. Unbelievably, only one other bidder placed a bid and I won it for about $260.
So who says you can't find some bargains on the Bay??
Recipient of the coveted "You Suck" award, April 2009 for cherrypicking a 1833 CBHD LM-5, and April 2022 for a 1835 LM-12, and again in Aug 2012 for picking off a 1952 FS-902.
That is a "YOU SUCK" if I ever saw one.
<< <i>My book says that this is the rarest of the die marriages. Is this still correct now? >>
no, rarest is not in the book: 1835 LM-12 (two now known)
Thanks
<< <i>Are there any other 1833 half dimes that are similar...that exhibit the filled in S? And the S in PLURIBIS underneath the E in STATES? Also, is there clashing of the bust on the reverse on the LM-5/V10?
Thanks >>
yes, the most common die marriage of 1833 is the LM-10, which shares the same reverse as the 1833 LM-5.
I've got 90 of 92 die marriages...and this is one of the two I still lack
Utah, I am confused though. Are you the owner??
<< <i>You suck!!!!
Utah, I am confused though. Are you the owner?? >>
Yep, I am.
Recipient of the coveted "You Suck" award, April 2009 for cherrypicking a 1833 CBHD LM-5, and April 2022 for a 1835 LM-12, and again in Aug 2012 for picking off a 1952 FS-902.
Congratulations, Great find!!!!
to someone disposing of a relative's collection, etc. In any case, nice job of spotting it!
ps. Thank you for finding another beautiful rarity for all of us half dime geeks to enjoy.
I'm sure that several people were confused about the identity of the owner after reading my post, but I did not want to 'out' him without his permission.
I think my first Capped Bust half dime was an R1, and certainly not an R7. Nice beginning to what should prove to be an interesting journey .......... albeit a bit antcilmatic after this incredible start.
Thanks
<< <i>So explain to us non die marriage collectors, what an attributed LM-5 in this condition is worth. It might better show us what a fantastic deal/coin you have.
Thanks >>
last one that sold was a VF on ebay a few years ago (two years, I think). It sold for $4K.
<< <i>So explain to us non die marriage collectors, what an attributed LM-5 in this condition is worth. It might better show us what a fantastic deal/coin you have.
Thanks >>
Well, he put in a max bid of $2500, so that ought to give you a ballpark...
<< <i>Wow, congratulations indeed. For us more novice collectors can this particular attribution and others be found in publications such as the Cherrypickers or is it to specialzed for that? Any resources you can recommend would be appreciated.
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"Federal Half Dimes 1792-1837" by Logan and McCloskey. Out of print, but available every now and then.
It is too specialized to be found in the 'Cherrypicker's Guide', but as Barndog mentioned, a detailed description can be found in the Logan/McCloskey 'Federal Half Dimes 1792-1837'. The finest known example, from the Russ Logan Collection, can be seen here:
http://rob.com/russ/collection/1800.html
one of these days I will get to Maine and show MrHalfDime how to post that pic
<< <i>The most amazing thing to me is that this was offered by a high volume dealer, as opposed
to someone disposing of a relative's collection, etc. In any case, nice job of spotting it! >>
It definitely happens, I picked off an 1873 seated dime DDO last year that had been offered several times by a high volume dealer with pics just blurry enough that you couldn't be certain of the attribution. When I finally bit the bullet and bought it, it arrived in a flip with at least seven different stickers with different eBay auction numbers stacked on it. When you think about the sheer volume of coins that cross the blocks on eBay, it's a wonder more rarities aren't found every day.
Utah, there are three or four threads running right now on cherrypicking, I think your finding this coin should be Exhibit A in all of them. Excellent work!
Sean Reynolds
"Keep in mind that most of what passes as numismatic information is no more than tested opinion at best, and marketing blather at worst. However, I try to choose my words carefully, since I know that you guys are always watching." - Joe O'Connor
<< <i>"Federal Half Dimes 1792-1837" by Logan and McCloskey. Out of print, but available every now and then. >>
Thank you for the information, as usual this forum is unparalleled.
Congrats on the mega pick UC.
<< <i>"Federal Half Dimes 1792-1837" by Logan and McCloskey. Out of print, but available every now and then. >>
I sometimes have these in stock.
An authorized PCGS dealer, and a contributor to the Red Book.
<< <i>So explain to us non die marriage collectors, what an attributed LM-5 in this condition is worth. It might better show us what a fantastic deal/coin you have.
Thanks >>
Put it this way. If Barndog, Mr.HalfDime, RichieURich or myself had seen the auction in time our beloved UtahCoin would not have won the auction at his max bid of $2500.
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<< <i>Congratulations, UtahCoin, on a super cherrypick! And a great start to the Capped Bust Half Dime series!
<< <i>"Federal Half Dimes 1792-1837" by Logan and McCloskey. Out of print, but available every now and then. >>
I sometimes have these in stock. >>
What do you have in stock, the subject coin or the book >>
Just the book. Haven't ever had an 1833 LM-5 in stock.
An authorized PCGS dealer, and a contributor to the Red Book.
Steve
but i have to admit i am having a hard time getting excited. you have
to be hard core to get into this die marriage thing. it just is not for me.
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Now start a bidding war and keep us posted. Finding 5k coins for 260 a pop is a good way to pay the bills
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RIP "BEAR"
and surely deserving of a YOU SUCK
Congratulations
<< <i>Holy smokes.... Congrats !!!!
That is a "YOU SUCK" if I ever saw one. >>