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Is it legal to own any 1933 double eagle now?

Billet7Billet7 Posts: 4,923 ✭✭✭
From the National Museum of American History:

"United States Mint, Philadelphia. Production of gold coinage was halted early in 1933 as the United States continued to move away from the gold standard. All double eagles struck in 1933 were not issued or authorized to be released to the public. Instead, they were supposed to be melted down and conveyed as bullion to Fort Knox. But all of the coins were not melted down. A handful were spirited away and kept in hiding for decades. One double eagle dated 1933 surfaced recently, and a complicated arrangement monetized it so that it could be sold at auction for millions of dollars.
This coin and another 1933 double eagle transferred from the U.S. Mint to the Smithsonian were the only legally owned with that date until recently.
The 1933 double eagle marks the end of the era in which the U.S. Congress authorized circulating gold coinage."

It says that until recently, it was illegal to own a 1933 double eagle, with the exception of the two noted. So that means that it IS legal now? I don't keep up with it much. I know about the ten that are in litigation, but if I find another one...is it legal to have?

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  • renomedphysrenomedphys Posts: 3,941 ✭✭✭✭✭
    As I understand, it is only legal to own the ones that are legal to own. Res ipsa loquitor!
  • HalfStrikeHalfStrike Posts: 2,202 ✭✭✭
    Ones made in China perhaps.
  • BECOKABECOKA Posts: 16,961 ✭✭✭
    Did they officially monetize the one sent to the Smithsonian?

    To make a long story short, no it's not legal for any additional 1933's to be owned. Now if the Longboards win their case I could see other 1933's coming out of the woodwork. image
  • Steve27Steve27 Posts: 13,277 ✭✭✭
    This is the only one which is legal to own:


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    "It's far easier to fight for principles, than to live up to them." Adlai Stevenson
  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
    At this time, only the one that was sold for $7M. If you have some, do not publicize the fact - the shadow market will handle it for you. Cheers, RickO
  • commoncents05commoncents05 Posts: 10,099 ✭✭✭
    Just the one.

    -Paul
    Many Quality coins for sale at http://www.CommonCentsRareCoins.com
  • RWBRWB Posts: 8,082
    The two examples in the Smithsonian were transferred by the Treasury Dept from left over Assay Commission pieces. They are entirely legal as is the one sold at auction a few years ago. It is the others that are in dispute.
  • Billet7Billet7 Posts: 4,923 ✭✭✭
    So what the museum is saying is just flat out wrong...which is what I thought, or am I misinterpreting the passage?
  • RWBRWB Posts: 8,082
    Here’s the quote in italics. Clarifications are in brackets.

    "United States Mint, Philadelphia. Production of gold coinage was halted early in 1933 as the United States continued to move away from the gold standard. [Production stopped in May 1933 when the last double eagles were struck.]

    All double eagles struck in 1933 were not issued or authorized to be released to the public. [This is unclear because there was a period when one-for-one exchanges could have been made and were specifically permitted.]

    Instead, they were supposed to be melted down and conveyed as bullion to Fort Knox. [Melting did not begin until several years later. The Fort Knox Bullion Depository didn't open until January 1937.]

    But all of the coins were not melted down. [Some of the Assay Commission coins were kept in the Cashier’s vault and not returned to the main storage vault.]

    A handful were spirited away and kept in hiding for decades. [The 1933 DE were openly sold by dealers beginning in about 1937. No questions were asked until the Flanagan sale when the Mint was asked to verify the quantity struck.]

    One double eagle dated 1933 surfaced recently, and a complicated arrangement monetized it so that it could be sold at auction for millions of dollars. [One coin was licensed for export to King Farouk of Egypt and this is supposed to be the coin sold for $7 million. "Monetized" is a meaningless bit of BS invented by Treasury in relation to the sale of one coin.]

    This coin and another 1933 double eagle transferred from the U.S. Mint to the Smithsonian were the only legally owned with that date until recently. [Two pieces were donated to the Smithsonian on October 9, 1934 by the Treasury Dept. These are also legal.]

    The 1933 double eagle marks the end of the era in which the U.S. Congress authorized circulating gold coinage."
    [Yep.]

    Hope this clarifies things.
  • OKbustchaserOKbustchaser Posts: 5,567 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Admit to the Feds that you have one and see.image
    Just because I'm old doesn't mean I don't love to look at a pretty bust.
  • If you took one to PCGS (not by mail, but physically) I wonder if they'd slab it for you, if you had one
  • PushkinPushkin Posts: 2,029 ✭✭✭

    If you can find one with a very tiny Ω in the eagle's claw, it might be OK? There is a strong market for omegas.
  • MidLifeCrisisMidLifeCrisis Posts: 10,613 ✭✭✭✭✭


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    The person in this picture appears to be holding a 2x4. Is that their security? Buford Pusser from "Walking Tall"? image
  • crazyhounddogcrazyhounddog Posts: 14,200 ✭✭✭✭✭
    It's as legal to have as the 1964 peace dollar is legal to have.
    The bitterness of "Poor Quality" is remembered long after the sweetness of low price is forgotten.
  • RWBRWB Posts: 8,082
    Legality of ownership of a 1964-D Peace dollar has never been determined. The only information on this is a Treasury statement dating from 1973.
  • TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 44,989 ✭✭✭✭✭
    It depends on if you're in court and surrendered possession.
  • TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 44,989 ✭✭✭✭✭
    image 'scuse me vs skews me image
  • lkeigwinlkeigwin Posts: 16,895 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>The person in this picture appears to be holding a 2x4. Is that their security? Buford Pusser from "Walking Tall"? >>

    If that's a 2x4 I wouldn't mess with the gorilla holding it.
    Lance.
  • phehpheh Posts: 1,588
    Do you feel like you could walk into court with that snippet of hope from a website (owned by the government that would prosecute you) and win?
  • Billet7Billet7 Posts: 4,923 ✭✭✭
    Who says I have one anywayimage?

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