I have had it!

mickeymantle24 · March 23, 2009 11:34AM

Well finially it only took 3 months to pop...I get 1 of my january specials back. This is just ridiculas the grades. Every card I sent in was atleast a psa 8! WTF I have a 2008 masterpiece manning with the red frame get an 8, WTF I pull an evan longoria rookie auto straight from the pack and it gets a 5. I have had it, and never am going to send to them again!

Order #20269487 / Submission #654658
Line # Item # Cert # Grade Description Type Country
1 1 14868307 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 2007 BOWMAN SIGNS OF THE FUTURE SF-AG ANTHONY GONZALEZ Card US
2 1 14868308 EXCELLENT 5 2008 STADIUM CLUB 169 EVAN LONGORIA AUTOGRAPH Card US
3 1 14868310 MINT 9 1992 BOWMAN 302 MARIANO RIVERA Card US
4 1 14868311 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 2008 UPPER DECK MASTERPIECES STROKE OF GENIUS SOG79 PEYTON MANNING RED Card US
5 1 14868312 MINT 9 OC 1983 TOPPS 83 RYNE SANDBERG Card US
6 1 14868313 MINT 9 1993 TOPPS 98 DEREK JETER Card US
7 1 14868314 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 2008 TOPPS ROOKIE PROGRESSION SIGNATURES PSSPM PEYTON MANNING BRONZE Card US
8 1 14868315 GEM MINT 10 2006 SPx SUPER SCRIPTS SS-RW REGGIE WAYNE Card US
9 1 14868316 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 2007 SP CHIROGRAPHY SIGNATURE RECEIVERS SR-AG ANTHONY GONZALEZ GOLD Card US
10 1 14868317 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1988 TOPPS 779 TOM GLAVINE Card US
11 1 14868318 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1989 TOPPS TRADED 57T RANDY JOHNSON Card US
12 1 14868319 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1989 TOPPS TRADED 41T KEN GRIFFEY JR. Card US
13 1 14868320 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1998 BOWMAN 1 PEYTON MANNING Card US
14 1 14868321 MINT 9 1989 TOPPS TRADED 106T NOLAN RYAN Card US
Total Items: 14
Date Received: 1/28/2009
Date Shipped: 3/20/2009
Order Status: Shipped

VitoCo1972 · March 23, 2009 11:35AM

Wow man, really sorry to see that.

ISTHTY

Gonblott · March 23, 2009 11:38AM

Send for free through special

Sorry to hear

mike92694 · March 23, 2009 11:39AM

hmm. sorry to hear that, but don't complain too much. i have sent items to sgc that have come back as 5's too even though they are moderns and fresh out of the pack. just because it's pack fresh doesn't mean it's mint.

mickeymantle24 · March 23, 2009 11:41AM

<< hmm. sorry to hear that, but don't complain too much. i have sent items to sgc that have come back as 5's too even though they are moderns and fresh out of the pack. just because it's pack fresh doesn't mean it's mint. >>

yea...but I checked that card over and over, and would of bet anything it would of gotten atleast a 9...There is noway that is a PSA 5!

otwcards · March 23, 2009 11:43AM

PSA 5 usually means there's a surface wrinkle or back crease. Sometimes, these are easily missed. Also looks like everything else was "at least a PSA 8" as you expected. Not sure what the gripe is other than the long turnaround.

mickeymantle24 · March 23, 2009 11:46AM

<< PSA 5 usually means there's a surface wrinkle or back crease. Sometimes, these are easily missed. Also looks like everything else was "at least a PSA 8" as you expected. Not sure what the gripe is other than the long turnaround. >>

If you saw the longoria before it went out, you to would be in disbelieve...As for the others, I know all the colts stuff got undergraded, I know for sure the masterpiece Mannning was way better than an 8. I thought for sure a 10 on that one. The Griffey and Johnson were pack fresh, and looked like 10s also. I just do not believe I overgraded each of these cards by 2 grades?

mickeymantle24 · March 23, 2009 11:50AM

I just can not wait for my second sub to pop. Thanks it is only 5 cards! Yipee

BIGBEN7 · March 23, 2009 12:27PM

The grader was probably a Patriots fan.

Morgoth · March 23, 2009 12:35PM

You say everything was 8 or better, so your gripe is only on 2 cards? I don't think that qualifies for a thread as one is OC which is prretty easy to determine and the other is most likely a back crease.

brianwintersfan · March 23, 2009 12:40PM

Is it just me or is anyone else sick of the b*tching about grades. Get over it! Just because it came straight from a pack means nothing. Go across the street to the Church of Rube and submit there.

P.S.-And don't use words you can't spell(ridiculous)

lsutigers1973 · March 23, 2009 12:42PM

Did you ever think that maybe it was the submitter and not the grader? Judging by the PSA 9 OC Sandberg rookie, I suspect your grading eye may not be as sharp as you think. 1983 Topps are fairly easy to determine if they are OC.

grote15 · March 23, 2009 12:42PM

Send them to into PRO Grading...you'll get all 10s..

GemMt10luvr · March 23, 2009 12:47PM

wolfbear · March 23, 2009 12:49PM

Can you find grades ridiculaser????

nightcrawler · March 23, 2009 12:54PM

<< Go across the street to the Church of Rube and submit there. >>

Whatever...

Boopotts · March 23, 2009 12:54PM

<< Is it just me or is anyone else sick of the b*tching about grades. Get over it! Just because it came straight from a pack means nothing. Go across the street to the Church of Rube and submit there.

P.S.-And don't use words you can't spell(ridiculous) >>

I'd go a step further by saying I'm sick of the whining in general. "I don't like this seller', or 'My turnaround times are too slow'. 'Shipping fees are too high', 'I got a PWE when I paid $3 for S&H', blah blah blah. Almost everyone here's a grown man, and that fact which has two implications.

1) Grown men don't care if other grown men are getting bent over on card deals. Just because it's a big deal to you does not, in any way, mean that anyone else here has the slightest bit of interest in your plight. If any of us wanted to listen to whining we'd ask our wives how their day at work went.

2) Grown men should not whine in the first place.

brianwintersfan · March 23, 2009 12:54PM

<< Can you find grades ridiculaser???? >>

No, but "you to would be in disbelieve".

Wow!

brianwintersfan · March 23, 2009 12:55PM

<< 

<< Go across the street to the Church of Rube and submit there. >>

Whatever...

>>

What's your problem??

nightcrawler · March 23, 2009 12:57PM

Ditto

brianwintersfan · March 23, 2009 12:59PM

<< Ditto >>

Do I look like a man who cares what you think??

nightcrawler · March 23, 2009 1:02PM

Why do think you need to insult someone that isn't here?

I don't care what you care about. But if you're going to take shots at my friend then you suck.

ElToroLoco · March 23, 2009 1:03PM

If there is a next time, go ahead and scan the card as ask for our opinions on this board before you send them in, we'll let you know the brutal truth. As for an EX 5, two things happened...you missed a back crease OR it was damaged from shipping. I'm not sure how they grade finger prints either. Your off center 83 told me that your "eye" for grading may not be as experienced as others from this board. Again, scan your next sub and we'll give our opinion on it.

brianwintersfan · March 23, 2009 1:07PM

<< Why do think you need to insult someone that isn't here?

I don't care what you care about. But if you're going to take shots at my friend then you suck. >>

A little sensitive aren't we?? Please explain to me why that is an insult?? Do you know what my relationship is with Randy?? You act like his spokesman so I guess you must.

nightcrawler · March 23, 2009 2:22PM

<< A little sensitive aren't we?? Please explain to me why that is an insult?? Do you know what my relationship is with Randy?? You act like his spokesman so I guess you must. >>

Sensitive maybe, the key word being WE... that includes you.

Do you think that a paying customer has no right to gripe? Maybe he doesn't, and if anyone remarked that he should wait til the card gets home so he can re-evaluate it, I'd have no problem with that. And if anyone wants to tell him he's a whatever, I have no problem with that either.

If PSA wants to address this problem, they will. Maybe they don't need a spokesman like you telling their customers to just go away and deal with their competition.

I have no idea what your relationship with Randy is. But you know as well as everyone that he's not here to read your crappy comparison about him. So why don't you explain why it's not an insult towards him.

So now that we've established that you're a spokesman for PSA. Why don't you go ahead and tell us why you think their paying customers should go to the competition?

Jeff85fan · March 23, 2009 2:39PM

I would have to think that if someone were truly unhappy with the results of their submission, wouldn't a well worded letter to PSA themselves be more effective than a post on their forums? Not that I don't think there's a time and a place for such complaints, but I would think that emailing PSA's customer service department stating what you're most upset about would seem to me be the best course of action.

But as others have said, your complaint was that every card you submitted should have been an 8, it looks like other than the Longoria (which is more than likely a minor surface wrinkle you may have missed in your inspection), every card came back as an 8, 9, or 10? I'm not sure that a complaint over one card warrants the kind of statement saying 'never going to send to them again!'?

Again this is just my view, and it's not meant to be critical of your post, but if your complaint truly is over just one card (as your post would lead us to believe), then why wouldn't you try emailing or calling PSA to get the card resubmitted?

jswieton · March 23, 2009 2:49PM

If you feel the Longoria is under graded then just crack and resub. I recently had an 89 UD Griffey Jr. grade a psa 5 and after a crack and resub the same card came back a 9 the next time around. Even though it kind of sucks you sometimes need to play their game. You need to remember that it is not a robot grading your cards. People can make mistakes; I sure know I have in the past. I wouldn't give up on PSA just because of one bad sub.

VitoCo1972 · March 23, 2009 2:54PM

Modern PSA 5's are almost always refractor lines or a scratch in the surface gloss that isn't even a deep scratch.

storm888 · March 23, 2009 3:33PM

I've got lots of 10s in 5 slabs.

I've never had one come back OC, though.

JackWESQ · March 23, 2009 3:39PM

I'm telling ya, the only way you'll ever get any answers is pursuant to California Business & Professions Code Section 17200.

/s/ JackWESQ

storm888 · March 23, 2009 3:52PM

<< I'm telling ya, the only way you'll ever get any answers is pursuant to California Business & Professions Code Section 17200.

/s/ JackWESQ >>

////////////////

The grading schemes - that means "methods and policies" for Americans -
are all proprietary.

It is not an unfair business practice to keep them as such.

A grader only owes reasonable adherence to a set of standards that are
open to extremes in subjective interpretations.

Nothing actionable going on here.

JackWESQ · March 23, 2009 3:59PM

Storm888,

... and you're right. No, it wouldn't be a meritorious lawsuit. But if you want answers into how things "work" at PSA, you're going to have to do some discovery and take some depositions because PSA sure as heck isn't going to tell you voluntarily.

It's never going to happen though because an unmeritorious lawsuit can be dangerous and it is simply too much to risk, e.g., paying yours AND their attorneys' fees. The closest we came was the whole WIWAG mess.

/s/ JackWESQ

nightcrawler · March 23, 2009 4:28PM

<< but if your complaint truly is over just one card (as your post would lead us to believe), >>

Not sure if it was the full three months, but that was part of the complaint.

nightcrawler · March 23, 2009 5:12PM

Ya know what brianwintersfan.

I'm really sorry about that. Your right I was a little sensitive there about a previous customer.

And I'm sure I can remember myself saying go elsewhere to someone else before??? I feel like I might have.

Sure wouldn't be the first time I was a hypocrite.

rbdjr1 · March 23, 2009 9:34PM

Michael,

Sorry to see you didn't get the Longoria poppage you expected. Also sorry to see that when you are down, some here like to "give you a kick" and then others join in to spit on you.

Be happy you are not a girl, maybe "the mob" would have done a "gang bang"?

I just got poppage on the first part of my February special (25 cards of a 36 card set from 1939). Why the other 11 cards didn't pop yet? Oh well, I better not complain about it! LOL!

BTW Michael, complaining and questioning PSA about grading on these threads, over the long run. keeps PSA on their toes, and has helped get things changed. (As recently as the Jordan grading error!). To bad your complaining bothers others. Just take being made fun of and berated by a few here "in stride" and with a "grain of salt". It means little!

And do not let your passion for the hobby wain over it and over bad "Longoria poppage".

Good luck!

rd

Notice I got a 4 on one card, a 9 OC on another. I didn't recall any card in this set that bad? Nor did I expect an "OC" (Figured it would just grade lower?)..

See Michael, I have a "bad eye" too!

rd

14446784 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1939 GODFREY PHILLIPS LTD. BEAUTIES OF TO-DAY 1 MARGARET LINDSAY B.D.V. EXTRA LARGE Card US
14446785 NEAR MINT+ 7.5 1939 GODFREY PHILLIPS LTD. BEAUTIES OF TO-DAY 2 AZALIE CECIL B.D.V. EXTRA LARGE Card US
14446786 MINT 9 OC 1939 GODFREY PHILLIPS LTD. BEAUTIES OF TO-DAY 3 CONSTANCE BERGEN B.D.V. EXTRA LARGE Card US
14446787 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1939 GODFREY PHILLIPS LTD. BEAUTIES OF TO-DAY 4 PAT PATERSON B.D.V. EXTRA LARGE Card US
14446788 MINT 9 1939 GODFREY PHILLIPS LTD. BEAUTIES OF TO-DAY 5 POLLY WATERS B.D.V. EXTRA LARGE Card US
14446789 EXCELLENT-MINT 6 1939 GODFREY PHILLIPS LTD. BEAUTIES OF TO-DAY 6 MAUREEN B.D.V. EXTRA LARGE Card US
14446790 MINT 9 1939 GODFREY PHILLIPS LTD. BEAUTIES OF TO-DAY 7 LITA CHEVRET B.D.V. EXTRA LARGE Card US
14446791 VERY GOOD-EXCELLENT 4 1939 GODFREY PHILLIPS LTD. BEAUTIES OF TO-DAY 8 MAXINE GREENWOOD B.D.V. EXTRA LARGE
14446792 EXCELLENT-MINT+ 6.5 1939 GODFREY PHILLIPS LTD. BEAUTIES OF TO-DAY 9 DIANA CHASE B.D.V. EXTRA LARGE Card US
14446793 NEAR MINT+ 7.5 1939 GODFREY PHILLIPS LTD. BEAUTIES OF TO-DAY 10 ANNE RUTHERFORD B.D.V. EXTRA LARGE Card US
14446794 NEAR MINT 7 1939 GODFREY PHILLIPS LTD. BEAUTIES OF TO-DAY 11 MERNA KENNEDY B.D.V. EXTRA LARGE Card US
14446795 EXCELLENT-MINT 6 1939 GODFREY PHILLIPS LTD. BEAUTIES OF TO-DAY 12 DOROTHY DAWES B.D.V. EXTRA LARGE Card US
14446796 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1939 GODFREY PHILLIPS LTD. BEAUTIES OF TO-DAY 13 MARDA DEERING B.D.V. EXTRA LARGE Card US
14446797 EXCELLENT-MINT 6 1939 GODFREY PHILLIPS LTD. BEAUTIES OF TO-DAY 14 SUZANNE KAAREN B.D.V. EXTRA LARGE Card US
14446798 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1939 GODFREY PHILLIPS LTD. BEAUTIES OF TO-DAY 15 ROSE BLANCHE B.D.V. EXTRA LARGE Card US
14446799 EXCELLENT-MINT 6 1939 GODFREY PHILLIPS LTD. BEAUTIES OF TO-DAY 16 IDA LUPINO B.D.V. EXTRA LARGE Card US
14446800 NEAR MINT 7 1939 GODFREY PHILLIPS LTD. BEAUTIES OF TO-DAY 17 TAMARA DESNI B.D.V. EXTRA LARGE Card US
14446801 NEAR MINT-MINT+ 8.5 1939 GODFREY PHILLIPS LTD. BEAUTIES OF TO-DAY 18 DOROTHY LAMOUR B.D.V. EXTRA LARGE Card
14446802 NEAR MINT 7 1939 GODFREY PHILLIPS LTD. BEAUTIES OF TO-DAY 19 MOVITA CASTENADA B.D.V. EXTRA LARGE Card US
14446803 NEAR MINT 7 1939 GODFREY PHILLIPS LTD. BEAUTIES OF TO-DAY 20 EVELYN KELLY B.D.V. EXTRA LARGE Card US
14446804 EXCELLENT-MINT 6 1939 GODFREY PHILLIPS LTD. BEAUTIES OF TO-DAY 21 JOAN BLONDELL B.D.V. EXTRA LARGE Card US
14446805 MINT 9 1939 GODFREY PHILLIPS LTD. BEAUTIES OF TO-DAY 22 VIRGINIA GREY B.D.V. EXTRA LARGE Card US
14446806 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1939 GODFREY PHILLIPS LTD. BEAUTIES OF TO-DAY 23 EVE THORNE B.D.V. EXTRA LARGE Card US
14446807 EXCELLENT-MINT 6 1939 GODFREY PHILLIPS LTD. BEAUTIES OF TO-DAY 24 MARY MAGUIRE B.D.V. EXTRA LARGE Card US
14446808 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1939 GODFREY PHILLIPS LTD. BEAUTIES OF TO-DAY 25 GRACE STEWART B.D.V. EXTRA LARGE Card US
Total Items: 25
Date Received: 2/27/2009
Date Shipped: 3/20/2009
Order Status: Shipped

rbdjr1 · March 23, 2009 10:05PM

By Michael posting his dismay over PSA 5 Longoria poppage, as tough as it may be for some to read these "complaint posts", just remember, "knowledge rules"!

What do I mean? (well, I'm not sure?)

But I'll give it a whirl:

1. Who learned that an expected high grade may have been extinguished by the PSA grader because of a "surface wrinkle or back crease"?

2. And who here learned that, "...Modern PSA 5's are almost always refractor lines or a scratch in the surface gloss that isn't even a deep scratch.".

So even such a bad thread about someone complaining about a PSA 5, and then the typical "sarcastic posts" that followed, there is still some good knowledge to be gained?

Maybe one of those who "complained about the complainer", or the few who just made wise-@rse remarks, just might notice a small surface wrinkle or that tiny back crease, or even that "refractor line", the next time they do a sub of modern material?

Nah, they already knew all that stuff, and have good eyes!

rd

ping4u43 · March 23, 2009 10:10PM

Well finially it only took 3 months to pop...I get 1 of my january specials back. This is just ridiculas the grades. Every card I sent in was atleast a psa 8! WTF I have a 2008 masterpiece manning with the red frame get an 8, WTF I pull an evan longoria rookie auto straight from the pack and it gets a 5. I have had it, and never am going to send to them again!

WinPitcher · March 23, 2009 11:01PM

Boo the problem is you are assuming that many here are grown men.

What do these people do, when, during the course of everyday life something happens?

Jump up and down and pout?

Steve

jeffcbay · March 23, 2009 11:07PM

So now we have grown men whining about grown men whining. Wonderful.

WinPitcher · March 23, 2009 11:07PM

lol

Steve

Elemenopeo · March 23, 2009 11:11PM

<< So now we have grown men whining about grown men whining. Wonderful. >>

I've had it with people moaning about other people complaining about grown men whining.

Sorry for venting.

jeffcbay · March 23, 2009 11:13PM

Great, now I can't look at myself in the mirror because I disgust myself for complaining about grown men whining about grown men whining about grown men on cardboard that are encapsulated in plastic by grown men.

fattymacs · March 23, 2009 11:15PM

I'm sorry this happened to you.

I'm quitting the hobby.

PSA 6 Chaz

rbdjr1 · March 23, 2009 11:20PM

Wow!

I was complaining about guys who complained about guys complaining about grades?

Yep! That's something for others to complain about!

rd

P.S. But if you really have a complaint, call customer service and complain!

Man oh man! I'd REALLY complain about having to wear red vests all day long! That sucks!

...And yes! Do complain about those bottles under each desk, ...instead of those bathroom breaks, now that stinks!

schr1st · March 23, 2009 11:22PM

I prefer complaining about people that have nothing to complain about. Fortunately the way things are going lately, I don't have a lot of people to complain about.

Carry on!

lsutigers1973 · March 23, 2009 11:28PM

<< I'm quitting the hobby. >>

Damn you! I was going to say that.

RonBurgundy · March 24, 2009 1:17AM

Wow, what a thread.

If someone wants to gripe about grades, have at it. I prop PSA when I think they get it right (more often than not) and rip them when I disagree (occasionally). About half the time when I disagree, I'm the one who got it wrong.......I didn't examine my own stuff close enough before I sent it in. And there are times when PSA gives us all gifts that we didn't deserve. I don't know if it all evens out, but I do know at the end of the day it's just a piece of cardboard.

Ron

larryallen73 · March 24, 2009 1:36AM

99% of the time when I get the "wrong" grade I look closer and find PSA was right... or at least arguably right. We all look at cards with rose colored glasses! Most of us have gotten one or two PSA 5's that we were sure were 9's or 10's. That's an easy mistake to make. The OC, however, is for a novice in my opinion. I don't think I have gotten an OC on a 1960 or later card in many years.

swartz1 · March 24, 2009 1:39AM

What ....you are saying people on this board could be wrong??

NEVER - I dont believe it....

stown · March 24, 2009 1:49AM

<< Well finially it only took 3 months to pop...I get 1 of my january specials back. This is just ridiculas the grades. Every card I sent in was atleast a psa 8! WTF I have a 2008 masterpiece manning with the red frame get an 8, WTF I pull an evan longoria rookie auto straight from the pack and it gets a 5. I have had it, and never am going to send to them again!

Order #20269487 / Submission #654658
Line # Item # Cert # Grade Description Type Country
1 1 14868307 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 2007 BOWMAN SIGNS OF THE FUTURE SF-AG ANTHONY GONZALEZ Card US
2 1 14868308 EXCELLENT 5 2008 STADIUM CLUB 169 EVAN LONGORIA AUTOGRAPH Card US
3 1 14868310 MINT 9 1992 BOWMAN 302 MARIANO RIVERA Card US
4 1 14868311 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 2008 UPPER DECK MASTERPIECES STROKE OF GENIUS SOG79 PEYTON MANNING RED Card US
5 1 14868312 MINT 9 OC 1983 TOPPS 83 RYNE SANDBERG Card US
6 1 14868313 MINT 9 1993 TOPPS 98 DEREK JETER Card US
7 1 14868314 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 2008 TOPPS ROOKIE PROGRESSION SIGNATURES PSSPM PEYTON MANNING BRONZE Card US
8 1 14868315 GEM MINT 10 2006 SPx SUPER SCRIPTS SS-RW REGGIE WAYNE Card US
9 1 14868316 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 2007 SP CHIROGRAPHY SIGNATURE RECEIVERS SR-AG ANTHONY GONZALEZ GOLD Card US
10 1 14868317 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1988 TOPPS 779 TOM GLAVINE Card US
11 1 14868318 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1989 TOPPS TRADED 57T RANDY JOHNSON Card US
12 1 14868319 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1989 TOPPS TRADED 41T KEN GRIFFEY JR. Card US
13 1 14868320 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1998 BOWMAN 1 PEYTON MANNING Card US
14 1 14868321 MINT 9 1989 TOPPS TRADED 106T NOLAN RYAN Card US
Total Items: 14
Date Received: 1/28/2009
Date Shipped: 3/20/2009
Order Status: Shipped >>

You realize that it only took 2 months, not 3, right?

Edited to add: Actually took less than 2 months but who's counting.

CDsNuts · March 24, 2009 2:28AM

Las Vegas moneyline odds:

-450 The Longoria has a crease on the back
-1200 The Sandberg is centered worse than 70/30
-750,000 The OP does not own a loupe

I have had it!

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