High Relief Gold Eagle received
doctorzee
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I received my High Relief Gold Eagle via UPS Next Day Air. I ordered it on opening day, January 22. I was prepared with order info, and hit the "confirm" button within 30 seconds of 12 NOON when the link became available on the Mint's website. Like others, I waited 29 minutes before I got confirmation that the order was accepted.
I received EMail confirmation on Monday, March 2 that this coin had been shipped. I received it March 3rd.
It was delivered to my doorstep and left there. There was no "knock", the doorbell did not ring, there was no signature required.
VERY SCARY!
In conclusion, I must admit to being impressed by the box it comes in - large, wood, a neat "flipping" wood insert which holds the encasulated coin. It is somewhat disconcerting the the coin is a bit loose in the capsule - you hear the coin rattling around inside the capsule if you shake it!
Finally, it would seem the Mint could deliver these coins closer to bullion price if a) they didn't ship OVERNIGHT (after 5-6 weeks delay), and b) they didn't put it in a box which probably cost the mint $100 to acquire! Why not deliver this bullion coin without all this expensive add-ons? At least offer a "no-fills" coins at closer to bullion price!
I received EMail confirmation on Monday, March 2 that this coin had been shipped. I received it March 3rd.
It was delivered to my doorstep and left there. There was no "knock", the doorbell did not ring, there was no signature required.
VERY SCARY!
In conclusion, I must admit to being impressed by the box it comes in - large, wood, a neat "flipping" wood insert which holds the encasulated coin. It is somewhat disconcerting the the coin is a bit loose in the capsule - you hear the coin rattling around inside the capsule if you shake it!
Finally, it would seem the Mint could deliver these coins closer to bullion price if a) they didn't ship OVERNIGHT (after 5-6 weeks delay), and b) they didn't put it in a box which probably cost the mint $100 to acquire! Why not deliver this bullion coin without all this expensive add-ons? At least offer a "no-fills" coins at closer to bullion price!
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Finally, it would seem the Mint could deliver these coins closer to bullion price if a) they didn't ship OVERNIGHT (after 5-6 weeks delay)
Oh - that box only cost you $100.00 it cost the mint $9.95
What do you think of actual coin?
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<< <i>That's a US "coin," right?
No Steve, these are not "coins" but they are bullion and this one is US. Still have no idea why people still call bullion "coins", maybe because some are round
<< <i>...they are bullion and this one is US. Still have no idea why people still call bullion "coins", maybe because some are round
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<< <i>That's a US "coin," right?
No Steve, these are not "coins" but they are bullion and this one is US. Still have no idea why people still call bullion "coins", maybe because some are round
I still don't understand why they didn't do the UHR NCLT 2 years ago??? Well, not really considering math is not the Mint's strong suit!!!
Also, I'll bet that fancy "box" has high levels of lead contamination.
I'll have to check that when mine gets here, I ordered the second hour and have seen nothing but a broken delivery dates so far.
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<< <i>That's a US "coin," right?
The enthusiasm for UHRs is so great that one forum is just not enough to handle it. They'll be talking about them on the sportscard forum next.
Perhaps we need an "all UHR, all the time" forum now...
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<< <i>Thanks for the updates. My wife called me at the office to say she was at the post office but the clerk wouldn't let her sign for the package since it was in my name. I went down during my lunch break but found the postal window was closed until 1:00 PM so I waited around for a while. When I finally got the package I was shocked. One corner was slightly dented, and someone had made a check mark on the back of the package in green ink.
Please advise -- will this check mark affect my ability to get a FIRST STRIKE designation? >>
wrong forum pal. you may want to try the US coin forum
<< <i>Oh, I think Mr. H. knows what he's doing...
ahhh....i re-read it. it appears that the tongue is firmly planted in cheek
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<< <i>That's a US "coin," right?
No Steve, these are not "coins" but they are bullion and this one is US. Still have no idea why people still call bullion "coins", maybe because some are round
They are coins actually. If the government "monetizes" a shiny round disk....no matter what its made from, it becomes a "coin". You're welcome for this basic lesson.
<< <i>They are coins actually. If the government "monetizes" a shiny round disk....no matter what its made from, it becomes a "coin". You're welcome for this basic lesson. >>
Gee, thanks for the "lesson," but these (and similar bullion items issued by the US and various other countries) are not coins. They are nothing more than fancy
-Preussen
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<< <i>They are coins actually. If the government "monetizes" a shiny round disk....no matter what its made from, it becomes a "coin". You're welcome for this basic lesson. >>
Gee, thanks for the "lesson," but these (and similar bullion items issued by the US and various other countries) are not coins. They are nothing more than fancy
-Preussen >>
Do you mean that "Pandas" are bullion too?
3Mark
<< <i>Do you mean that "Pandas" are bullion too?
yup. Regardless of what they sell for, the following they have, or how "scarce" some might be, they are essentially
-Preussen
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<< <i>They are coins actually. If the government "monetizes" a shiny round disk....no matter what its made from, it becomes a "coin". You're welcome for this basic lesson. >>
Gee, thanks for the "lesson," but these (and similar bullion items issued by the US and various other countries) are not coins. They are nothing more than fancy
-Preussen >>
Preussen, as much as I respect you on these boards, you sir are dead wrong. Do some research and tell me why its not a coin. The fact that it wont circulate is NOT a determining factor. There are millions of Morgan dollars that were made by the U.S. government that were never intended to circulate in commerce, yet they are all "coins" right? As soon as the government MONETIZES that disk...it instantly becomes a "coin" by definition. Now tell me that im wrong.
Gecko,
If you respected Steve, and wanted to have a discussion here; don't you think it should have remained here? why go the to the US coin forum, and alert everyone that a 'respected member of the world coin forum' thinks that bullion are not coins? Don't you think we should just discuss it here, and leave it at that?
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No matter how much you want to delude yourself, those pandas are bullion. Sure they have some nominal amount on them and technically would appear to be coins from that point, but these were purchased as bullion at the local B&M shop when they were introduced. Parse it any way you want, but it's still bullion. JMHO.
3Mark
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No matter how much you want to delude yourself, those pandas are bullion. Sure they have some nominal amount on them and technically would appear to be coins from that point, but these were purchased as bullion at the local B&M shop when they were introduced. Parse it any way you want, but it's still bullion. JMHO.
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By that logic, a proof is not a coin either then. They were purchased as proofs when they were introduced. Does that sound right?
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If you respected Steve, and wanted to have a discussion here; don't you think it should have remained here? why go the to the US coin forum, and alert everyone that a 'respected member of the world coin forum' thinks that bullion are not coins? Don't you think we should just discuss it here, and leave it at that?
Doug
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The larger volume of traffic in that forum will allow for a greater number of opinions, thus benefiting all who wish to partake in this mini debate.
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You're wrong, but hey, collect whatever you like
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<< <i>Gecko:
No matter how much you want to delude yourself, those pandas are bullion. Sure they have some nominal amount on them and technically would appear to be coins from that point, but these were purchased as bullion at the local B&M shop when they were introduced. Parse it any way you want, but it's still bullion. JMHO.
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By that logic, a proof is not a coin either then. They were purchased as proofs when they were introduced. Does that sound right? >>
Gecko:
I guess you didn't read my reply. The Chinese Panda was issued to compete with the Canadian Maple Leafs and the South African Krugerrand in the "bullion" market place. Anyway, I'm with Preussen, collect what floats your boat.
3Mark
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<< <i>Gecko,
If you respected Steve, and wanted to have a discussion here; don't you think it should have remained here? why go the to the US coin forum, and alert everyone that a 'respected member of the world coin forum' thinks that bullion are not coins? Don't you think we should just discuss it here, and leave it at that?
Doug
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The larger volume of traffic in that forum will allow for a greater number of opinions, thus benefiting all who wish to partake in this mini debate. >>
But if you state it as fact, then what will opinions matter?
Technically, you're both right; in what it is (monetized silver/gold/plat. with a nominal face value) and a store of wealth intended to be hoarded as a hedge against inflation. Are they "coins"? yes they are, as they have nominal value and someone would have to be a doofus to redeem them for face value. But they are minted and intended to be used as an investment, for the intrinsic metal value only. The value on the coin only lends a little more credibility to them by the issuing country; if the real melt value of these ever approached the face value, we're in real trouble.
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You're wrong, but hey, collect whatever you like
Can I nominate this for POTD?
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You're wrong, but hey, collect whatever you like
Can I nominate this for POTD? >>
Sure, if you condone people who dont know what they are talking about. I thought preussen was a bit more knowledgeable about this hobby. To deny that a $50 AGE is a United States government issued COIN is simply either ignorant, or arrogant. At 1st, I suspected it was just arrogance from preussen, now im thinking more along the lines of ignorance. He really just didnt know.
I was referring to the "collect whatever you like". Why do you care if some people call them coins, and others don't? Does Preussen's view change your opinion of your collection?
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You're wrong, but hey, collect whatever you like
Can I nominate this for POTD? >>
Sure, if you condone people who dont know what they are talking about. I thought preussen was a bit more knowledgeable about this hobby. To deny that a $50 AGE is a United States government issued COIN is simply either ignorant, or arrogant. At 1st, I suspected it was just arrogance from preussen, now im thinking more along the lines of ignorance. He really just didnt know. >>
Gecko:
Have you now decided that personal attacks are the way to go in this discussion? You have started two threads on the US Forum trying to make your point with little luck, so I guess this is next.
3Mark
<< <i>Sure, if you condone people who dont know what they are talking about
I was referring to the "collect whatever you like". Why do you care if some people call them coins, and others don't? Does Preussen's view change your opinion of your collection? >>
If you said that 2+2 was 7....Im going to correct you and show that you are wrong. Same thing at work here.
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You're wrong, but hey, collect whatever you like
Can I nominate this for POTD? >>
Sure, if you condone people who dont know what they are talking about. I thought preussen was a bit more knowledgeable about this hobby. To deny that a $50 AGE is a United States government issued COIN is simply either ignorant, or arrogant. At 1st, I suspected it was just arrogance from preussen, now im thinking more along the lines of ignorance. He really just didnt know. >>
Gecko:
Have you now decided that personal attacks are the way to go in this discussion? You have started two threads on the US Forum trying to make your point with little luck, so I guess this is next.
3Mark >>
How is it a personal attack by saying that a person doesnt understand what they are talking about? Where did I attack him specifically?
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<< <i>Sure, if you condone people who dont know what they are talking about
I was referring to the "collect whatever you like". Why do you care if some people call them coins, and others don't? Does Preussen's view change your opinion of your collection? >>
If you said that 2+2 was 7....Im going to correct you and show that you are wrong. Same thing at work here.
I didn't realize that numismatics was "black and white" like mathematics.
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<< <i>Sure, if you condone people who dont know what they are talking about
I was referring to the "collect whatever you like". Why do you care if some people call them coins, and others don't? Does Preussen's view change your opinion of your collection? >>
If you said that 2+2 was 7....Im going to correct you and show that you are wrong. Same thing at work here.
I didn't realize that numismatics was "black and white" like mathematics. >>
Most facets of the hobby are not so clear cut. But sound logic tells us that either a $50 AGE, IS a coin, or IS NOT a coin. It just doesnt get much more "black and white" than that.
<< <i>... Now tell me that im wrong. >>
You're wrong, but hey, collect whatever you like
<< <i>Can I nominate this for POTD? >>
<< <i>Sure, if you condone people who dont know what they are talking about. I thought preussen was a bit more knowledgeable about this hobby. To deny that a $50 AGE is a United States government issued COIN is simply either ignorant, or arrogant. At 1st, I suspected it was just arrogance from preussen, now im thinking more along the lines of ignorance. He really just didnt know. >>
gecko I always suspected that you were a dumb a$$ moron, but you just confirmed it with yet another string of asinine comments. To what hobby do you refer? My hobby is Numismatics; I don't know (or care) what yours is...but it obviously isn't coins.
When you get right down to it, no one but you seems to really give a good crap about your argument, but you keep laying it on, starting thread after thread... and now you have to start with personal attacks? why don't you go polish your pandas? -Preussen
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Sure, if you condone people who dont know what they are talking about. I thought preussen was a bit more knowledgeable about this hobby. To deny that a $50 AGE is a United States government issued COIN is simply either ignorant, or arrogant. At 1st, I suspected it was just arrogance from preussen, now im thinking more along the lines of ignorance. He really just didnt know. >>
Gecko:
Have you now decided that personal attacks are the way to go in this discussion? You have started two threads on the US Forum trying to make your point with little luck, so I guess this is next.
3Mark >>
How is it a personal attack by saying that a person doesnt understand what they are talking about? Where did I attack him specifically? >>
Gecko:
You don't even read your own posts and it appears that you ignore the posts of others. What do ignorant and arrogant mean? I am the one that raised the issue with Pandas, not Preussen.
3Mark
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You're wrong, but hey, collect whatever you like
Can I nominate this for POTD? >>
Sure, if you condone people who dont know what they are talking about. I thought preussen was a bit more knowledgeable about this hobby. To deny that a $50 AGE is a United States government issued COIN is simply either ignorant, or arrogant. At 1st, I suspected it was just arrogance from preussen, now im thinking more along the lines of ignorance. He really just didnt know. >>
Gecko:
Have you now decided that personal attacks are the way to go in this discussion? You have started two threads on the US Forum trying to make your point with little luck, so I guess this is next.
3Mark >>
How is it a personal attack by saying that a person doesnt understand what they are talking about? Where did I attack him specifically? >>
Gecko:
You don't even read your own posts and it appears that you ignore the posts of others. What do ignorant and arrogant mean? I am the one that raised the issue with Pandas, not Preussen.
3Mark >>
Do you even know what the term "ignorant" means? Its not an attack by any means. Its simply a way of saying that preussen has no clue what he is talking about.
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You're wrong, but hey, collect whatever you like
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<< <i>Sure, if you condone people who dont know what they are talking about. I thought preussen was a bit more knowledgeable about this hobby. To deny that a $50 AGE is a United States government issued COIN is simply either ignorant, or arrogant. At 1st, I suspected it was just arrogance from preussen, now im thinking more along the lines of ignorance. He really just didnt know. >>
gecko I always suspected that you were a dumb a$$ moron, but you just confirmed it with yet another string of asinine comments. To what hobby do you refer? My hobby is Numismatics; I don't know (or care) what yours is...but it obviously isn't coins.
When you get right down to it, no one but you seems to really give a good crap about your argument, but you keep laying it on, starting thread after thread... and now you have to start with personal attacks? why don't you go polish your pandas? -Preussen >>
So your hobby is numismatics, yet you still cannot distinguish between what is classified as a token, medal, or coin?
3Mark
I disagree. There are many different definitions of "coin".
Some define a coin as a piece of metal. There are many coins that are not made of metal.
Some define a coin as a piece of money. Is a bullion coin (or NCLT for that matter) a piece of money if it does not circulate as a medium of exchange of value?
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<< <i>Most facets of the hobby are not so clear cut. But sound logic tells us that either a $50 AGE, IS a coin, or IS NOT a coin. It just doesnt get much more "black and white" than that.
I disagree. There are many different definitions of "coin".
Some define a coin as a piece of metal. There are many coins that are not made of metal.
Some define a coin as a piece of money. Is a bullion coin (or NCLT for that matter) a piece of money if it does not circulate as a medium of exchange of value? >>
By that definition, 1795 half dollars are not coins....neither are seated dollars, or half cents. They stopped being coins because they no longer circulate as a medium of exchange, right? Oh, but they were made to be circulated at first, huh? Well any proof issue from the mint for the last 200 years were NOT meant to circulate at the time of their issues. Neither were any of the numerous patterns that were made. Yet people seem to have NO PROBLEM considering them to be coins. So where is the difference for an AGE?
<< <i>So your hobby is numismatics, yet you still cannot distinguish between what is classified as a token, medal, or coin?
For the final time, your opinion means exactly ZERO to me. End of Story. -Preussen
All I'm saying is there are different definitions, so it's not "black and white". Some may consider certain items as "coins", why others may not.
NCLT, bullion, Patterns, Test Tokens .. all fall into the grey area. I know one old-timer that considers Proof coins to be giftware, and not coins.
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collect or what you say you collect, but you are stirring up the pot and causing trouble. I think that the trading back and forth of insults is rediculous and I feel if you want to do that
then take it the PMs, otherwise take it to the US forums where they love to flame people. Let's get back to talking about our own areas of expertise and get on with life.
BTW, even though I do not collect your series, I do enjoy learning about it, so keep on posting.
The point is precision.
Even though Numismatics is generally seen as a hobby it has its own jargon just like any other profession. A pigeon and a dove are both "birds", but "pigeon" and "dove" are more precise terms. And then there are higher levels of precision - genus and species or date and mint mark. And even more - brown with a curved beak or AU with hairlines. Could encased postage be referred to as coins? Sure, but encased postage is more precise.
So, yes, bullion coinage may be correctly referred to as a "coin", but the more correct term is bullion. Opinions may vary as to the "worthiness" of such items in the numismatic arena, but simply calling it as such shouldn't be seen as a slight against the specialty.
BTW, I'm starting to think Preussen and 3Mark are the same person
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<< <i>C'mon now, this isn't difficult. You're both right, only Preussen is a little more right.
The point is precision.
Even though Numismatics is generally seen as a hobby it has its own jargon just like any other profession. A pigeon and a dove are both "birds", but "pigeon" and "dove" are more precise terms. And then there are higher levels of precision - genus and species or date and mint mark. And even more - brown with a curved beak or AU with hairlines. Could encased postage be referred to as coins? Sure, but encased postage is more precise.
So, yes, bullion coinage may be correctly referred to as a "coin", but the more correct term is bullion. Opinions may vary as to the "worthiness" of such items in the numismatic arena, but simply calling it as such shouldn't be seen as a slight against the specialty. >>
You know, my first post in this thread was meant only to imply that the UHR discussion belonged on the US forum, not the world, and the discussion "went south" from there. Just because I don't consider them coins doesn't mean that my intent was to belittle or denigrate those who enjoy and collect them. Heck, I even have a Proof ASE or two myself. Only when I felt it was becoming personal did I stoop to knocking these items, and I regret doing that. I believe there is a place in the hobby for them, and I believe that people should collect whatever they enjoy, and they should feel free to share their interests here. I’ve just never in my life seen anyone become so bent out of shape by failing to get another to concede his point.
<< <i>BTW, I'm starting to think Preussen and 3Mark are the same person
Now I'm insulted
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<< <i>C'mon now, this isn't difficult. You're both right, only Preussen is a little more right.
The point is precision.
Even though Numismatics is generally seen as a hobby it has its own jargon just like any other profession. A pigeon and a dove are both "birds", but "pigeon" and "dove" are more precise terms. And then there are higher levels of precision - genus and species or date and mint mark. And even more - brown with a curved beak or AU with hairlines. Could encased postage be referred to as coins? Sure, but encased postage is more precise.
So, yes, bullion coinage may be correctly referred to as a "coin", but the more correct term is bullion. Opinions may vary as to the "worthiness" of such items in the numismatic arena, but simply calling it as such shouldn't be seen as a slight against the specialty. >>
You know, my first post in this thread was meant only to imply that the UHR discussion belonged on the US forum, not the world, and the discussion "went south" from there. Just because I don't consider them coins doesn't mean that my intent was to belittle or denigrate those who enjoy and collect them. Heck, I even have a Proof ASE or two myself. Only when I felt it was becoming personal did I stoop to knocking these items, and I regret doing that. I believe there is a place in the hobby for them, and I believe that people should collect whatever they enjoy, and they should feel free to share their interests here. I’ve just never in my life seen anyone become so bent out of shape by failing to get another to concede his point.
<< <i>BTW, I'm starting to think Preussen and 3Mark are the same person
Now I'm insulted
Me too and if we were the same I would have better 3 mark Prussian coins in my sets
3Mark
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Can I nominate this for POTD? >>
Sure, if you condone people who dont know what they are talking about. I thought preussen was a bit more knowledgeable about this hobby. To deny that a $50 AGE is a United States government issued COIN is simply either ignorant, or arrogant. At 1st, I suspected it was just arrogance from preussen, now im thinking more along the lines of ignorance. He really just didnt know. >>
Gecko, it may be acceptable to talk like this on the US Coin forum but it really isn't over here where we are more civilized.