Then you're making assumtions about what I think. If you don't like a business owner's ethics, you certainly have the right to not do business with him. Doing something equally unethical (snagging his customers in his store, for one) doesn't exactly put one on the moral high road.
<< <i>It is simliar to buying from a vest pocket dealer at a coin show.
It is ok for them to show and sell to the dealers who paid for tables. But if a fellow attendee wants to look, it is bad. Even after the dealer has turned them away.
One show, I think the show police were on us before the guy even opened his box. It was slow since most of the dealers were already gone so we probably stuck out.
Another time we were told to leave, I think money was being exchanged at that point.
Anytime people have paid money for the right to transact business, you should ask their permission before intruding on that right or be prepared to face the consequences if caught. >>
I've often brought coins to sell/trade at shows before and right after showing to a dealer, I have occasionally had other collectors on the floor who were apparently looking over my shoulder quickly approach me with their interest about a certain coin I've had. In that case of course I'll avoid doing a deal in front of a dealers table on the floor, but I will definitely head out of the room to another area to get a deal done.
<< <i>I would ask the lady what she was hoping to get out of them and then pay more to be an honest person. I don't deal with too many dealers that would do that for the innocent person. There is nothing wrong with buying coins from an individual no matter if you are in a place of business or on the street. The moral of this story is that the person came up to you and offered them to you first. >>
yeah but wait a minute, your on someone's property and you would do that. that says alot about you !!! with that statement you would be no better than a dishonest dealer.
this has nothing to do with coins(not my business) but if someone was in my place of business offering to do it , lets just say they would have a limp
If I was a regular customer of the B&M I would pass, If I was a first time visiter to the B&M I would probably think about, (is this a pontential rip off or legit offer from the old lady?) Normally I don't have enough money to purchase a collection on the spot. So I would still pass it on to the B&M. It would make me think about what I might have passed up and I would still be here for another day.
Then you're making assumtions about what I think. If you don't like a business owner's ethics, you certainly have the right to not do business with him. Doing something equally unethical (snagging his customers in his store, for one) doesn't exactly put one on the moral high road. >>
I dint flat out say that you support him, but the tone of your post suggests to me that you might. I get the impression that people here feel that just cuz its the owner's turf gives him the right to do anything he pleases, legal or not. Frankly I don't ever expect to encounter such a situation so I really don't give a rat's rear end one way or the other.
<< <i>I get the impression tht people here feel that just cuz its the owner's turf gives him the right to do anything he pleases, legal or not. >>
I didn't get that impression. I don't remember anything in the original situation presented which indicated that the dealer had done anything illegal, but the post has been edited, so I can't be sure if I'm remembering correctly. I'd think if there was illegal activity taking place (not that I'm sure there ever was evidence of such, of course), one might consider alerting the appropriate authorities.
<< <i>I get the impression tht people here feel that just cuz its the owner's turf gives him the right to do anything he pleases, legal or not. >>
I didn't get that impression. I don't remember anything in the original situation presented which indicated that the dealer had done anything illegal, but the post has been edited, so I can't be sure if I'm remembering correctly. I'd think if there was illegal activity taking place (not that I'm sure there ever was evidence of such, of course), one might consider alerting the appropriate authorities. >>
My impressions of the original post were the same, namely that the dealer had done nothing illegal. Just that the elderly woman asked the OP if he bought coins.
<< <i>I remember it happening to me when i had a shop and I did not like it.
I told the 2 jackasses to take it outside.
Like mentioned I was paying money to conduct business there they were not.
There is no grey area here, it is wrong to transact in someone else's place of business.
Steve >>
I walk into your shop with a roll of well-circ Morgans that has 2 93-s coins in vg-f condition and 3 89-cc in vg-f condition. I ask you for an offer. You say $20 each which is $400 for the roll. Mite be tacky, but not unethical or illegal, since I asked you for an offer. Now if you lie and tell me that these are only worth $20 each is if fair for a customer in your store to pipe up and tell me that some of them are worth a lot more than $20 each? If I take the money and once outside the customer tells me that you lied and the 93-s are easily worth $2000 each and I come back in and say that so and so says you lied about the true value and I want my coins back, what would you do?
<< <i>I remember it happening to me when i had a shop and I did not like it.
I told the 2 jackasses to take it outside.
Like mentioned I was paying money to conduct business there they were not.
There is no grey area here, it is wrong to transact in someone else's place of business.
Steve >>
I walk into your shop with a roll of well-circ Morgans that has 2 93-s coins in vg-f condition and 3 89-cc in vg-f condition. I ask you for an offer. You say $20 each which is $400 for the roll. Mite be tacky, but not unethical or illegal, since I asked you for an offer. Now if you lie and tell me that these are only worth $20 each is if fair for a customer in your store to pipe up and tell me that some of them are worth a lot more than $20 each? If I take the money and once outside the customer tells me that you lied and the 93-s are easily worth $2000 each and I come back in and say that so and so says you lied about the true value and I want my coins back, what would you do? >>
you know this brings us back to another post some time back that said do you grade your coins in a book. i think this statement would answer that question. all my morgans and other coins are graded by me, with a note to my son or whoever gets them, to do there homework before going into any agreement with anyone , store or person. why did i take the hours to do this, because when you have complete sets of something ,there will always be key dates !!!
<< <i>I remember it happening to me when i had a shop and I did not like it.
I told the 2 jackasses to take it outside.
Like mentioned I was paying money to conduct business there they were not.
There is no grey area here, it is wrong to transact in someone else's place of business.
Steve >>
I walk into your shop with a roll of well-circ Morgans that has 2 93-s coins in vg-f condition and 3 89-cc in vg-f condition. I ask you for an offer. You say $20 each which is $400 for the roll. Mite be tacky, but not unethical or illegal, since I asked you for an offer. Now if you lie and tell me that these are only worth $20 each is if fair for a customer in your store to pipe up and tell me that some of them are worth a lot more than $20 each? If I take the money and once outside the customer tells me that you lied and the 93-s are easily worth $2000 each and I come back in and say that so and so says you lied about the true value and I want my coins back, what would you do? >>
you know this brings us back to another post some time back that said do you grade your coins in a book. i think this statement would answer that question. all my morgans and other coins are graded by me, with a note to my son or whoever gets them, to do there homework before going into any agreement with anyone , store or person. why did i take the hours to do this, because when you have complete sets of something ,there will always be key dates !!! >>
The condition/grades of the coins isn't especially relevant except that the dealer might perceive the seller to be unknowledgeable and thus naive enough to believe that all of the coins might be worth about the same. The point is that if one party lies can it void the sale?
<< <i>I remember it happening to me when i had a shop and I did not like it.
I told the 2 jackasses to take it outside.
Like mentioned I was paying money to conduct business there they were not.
There is no grey area here, it is wrong to transact in someone else's place of business.
Steve >>
I walk into your shop with a roll of well-circ Morgans that has 2 93-s coins in vg-f condition and 3 89-cc in vg-f condition. I ask you for an offer. You say $20 each which is $400 for the roll. Mite be tacky, but not unethical or illegal, since I asked you for an offer. Now if you lie and tell me that these are only worth $20 each is if fair for a customer in your store to pipe up and tell me that some of them are worth a lot more than $20 each? If I take the money and once outside the customer tells me that you lied and the 93-s are easily worth $2000 each and I come back in and say that so and so says you lied about the true value and I want my coins back, what would you do? >>
you know this brings us back to another post some time back that said do you grade your coins in a book. i think this statement would answer that question. all my morgans and other coins are graded by me, with a note to my son or whoever gets them, to do there homework before going into any agreement with anyone , store or person. why did i take the hours to do this, because when you have complete sets of something ,there will always be key dates !!! >>
The condition/grades of the coins isn't especially relevant except that the dealer might perceive the seller to be unknowledgeable and thus naive enough to believe that all of the coins might be worth about the same. The point is that if one party lies can it void the sale? >>
well what i like about pcgs weg site is copying the price guide and than adding your grades to the dates. it works for me.
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<< <i>You sound like you support the turd. >>
Then you're making assumtions about what I think. If you don't like a business owner's ethics, you certainly have the right to not do business with him. Doing something equally unethical (snagging his customers in his store, for one) doesn't exactly put one on the moral high road.
<< <i>It is simliar to buying from a vest pocket dealer at a coin show.
It is ok for them to show and sell to the dealers who paid for tables. But if a fellow attendee wants to look, it is bad. Even after the dealer has turned them away.
One show, I think the show police were on us before the guy even opened his box. It was slow since most of the dealers were already gone so we probably stuck out.
Another time we were told to leave, I think money was being exchanged at that point.
Anytime people have paid money for the right to transact business, you should ask their permission before intruding on that right or be prepared to face the consequences if caught. >>
I've often brought coins to sell/trade at shows before and right after showing to a dealer, I have occasionally had other collectors on the floor who were apparently looking over my shoulder quickly approach me with their interest about a certain coin I've had. In that case of course I'll avoid doing a deal in front of a dealers table on the floor, but I will definitely head out of the room to another area to get a deal done.
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<< <i>I would ask the lady what she was hoping to get out of them and then pay more to be an honest person. I don't deal with too many dealers that would do that for the innocent person. There is nothing wrong with buying coins from an individual no matter if you are in a place of business or on the street. The moral of this story is that the person came up to you and offered them to you first. >>
yeah but wait a minute, your on someone's property and you would do that. that says alot about you !!!
with that statement you would be no better than a dishonest dealer.
this has nothing to do with coins(not my business) but if someone was in my place of business offering to do it , lets just say they would have a limp
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<< <i>You sound like you support the turd. >>
Then you're making assumtions about what I think. If you don't like a business owner's ethics, you certainly have the right to not do business with him. Doing something equally unethical (snagging his customers in his store, for one) doesn't exactly put one on the moral high road. >>
I dint flat out say that you support him, but the tone of your post suggests to me that you might. I get the impression that people here feel that just cuz its the owner's turf gives him the right to do anything he pleases, legal or not. Frankly I don't ever expect to encounter such a situation so I really don't give a rat's rear end one way or the other.
<< <i>I get the impression tht people here feel that just cuz its the owner's turf gives him the right to do anything he pleases, legal or not. >>
I didn't get that impression. I don't remember anything in the original situation presented which indicated that the dealer had done anything illegal, but the post has been edited, so I can't be sure if I'm remembering correctly. I'd think if there was illegal activity taking place (not that I'm sure there ever was evidence of such, of course), one might consider alerting the appropriate authorities.
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<< <i>I get the impression tht people here feel that just cuz its the owner's turf gives him the right to do anything he pleases, legal or not. >>
I didn't get that impression. I don't remember anything in the original situation presented which indicated that the dealer had done anything illegal, but the post has been edited, so I can't be sure if I'm remembering correctly. I'd think if there was illegal activity taking place (not that I'm sure there ever was evidence of such, of course), one might consider alerting the appropriate authorities. >>
My impressions of the original post were the same, namely that the dealer had done nothing illegal. Just that the elderly woman asked the OP if he bought coins.
I told the 2 jackasses to take it outside.
Like mentioned I was paying money to conduct business there they were not.
There is no grey area here, it is wrong to transact in someone else's place of business.
Steve
<< <i>I remember it happening to me when i had a shop and I did not like it.
I told the 2 jackasses to take it outside.
Like mentioned I was paying money to conduct business there they were not.
There is no grey area here, it is wrong to transact in someone else's place of business.
Steve >>
I walk into your shop with a roll of well-circ Morgans that has 2 93-s coins in vg-f condition and 3 89-cc in vg-f condition. I ask you for an offer. You say $20 each which is $400 for the roll. Mite be tacky, but not unethical or illegal, since I asked you for an offer. Now if you lie and tell me that these are only worth $20 each is if fair for a customer in your store to pipe up and tell me that some of them are worth a lot more than $20 each? If I take the money and once outside the customer tells me that you lied and the 93-s are easily worth $2000 each and I come back in and say that so and so says you lied about the true value and I want my coins back, what would you do?
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<< <i>I remember it happening to me when i had a shop and I did not like it.
I told the 2 jackasses to take it outside.
Like mentioned I was paying money to conduct business there they were not.
There is no grey area here, it is wrong to transact in someone else's place of business.
Steve >>
I walk into your shop with a roll of well-circ Morgans that has 2 93-s coins in vg-f condition and 3 89-cc in vg-f condition. I ask you for an offer. You say $20 each which is $400 for the roll. Mite be tacky, but not unethical or illegal, since I asked you for an offer. Now if you lie and tell me that these are only worth $20 each is if fair for a customer in your store to pipe up and tell me that some of them are worth a lot more than $20 each? If I take the money and once outside the customer tells me that you lied and the 93-s are easily worth $2000 each and I come back in and say that so and so says you lied about the true value and I want my coins back, what would you do? >>
you know this brings us back to another post some time back that said do you grade your coins in a book. i think this statement would answer that question.
all my morgans and other coins are graded by me, with a note to my son or whoever gets them, to do there homework before going into any agreement with anyone , store or person.
why did i take the hours to do this, because when you have complete sets of something ,there will always be key dates !!!
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<< <i>
<< <i>I remember it happening to me when i had a shop and I did not like it.
I told the 2 jackasses to take it outside.
Like mentioned I was paying money to conduct business there they were not.
There is no grey area here, it is wrong to transact in someone else's place of business.
Steve >>
I walk into your shop with a roll of well-circ Morgans that has 2 93-s coins in vg-f condition and 3 89-cc in vg-f condition. I ask you for an offer. You say $20 each which is $400 for the roll. Mite be tacky, but not unethical or illegal, since I asked you for an offer. Now if you lie and tell me that these are only worth $20 each is if fair for a customer in your store to pipe up and tell me that some of them are worth a lot more than $20 each? If I take the money and once outside the customer tells me that you lied and the 93-s are easily worth $2000 each and I come back in and say that so and so says you lied about the true value and I want my coins back, what would you do? >>
you know this brings us back to another post some time back that said do you grade your coins in a book. i think this statement would answer that question.
all my morgans and other coins are graded by me, with a note to my son or whoever gets them, to do there homework before going into any agreement with anyone , store or person.
why did i take the hours to do this, because when you have complete sets of something ,there will always be key dates !!! >>
The condition/grades of the coins isn't especially relevant except that the dealer might perceive the seller to be unknowledgeable and thus naive enough to believe that all of the coins might be worth about the same. The point is that if one party lies can it void the sale?
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<< <i>
<< <i>
<< <i>I remember it happening to me when i had a shop and I did not like it.
I told the 2 jackasses to take it outside.
Like mentioned I was paying money to conduct business there they were not.
There is no grey area here, it is wrong to transact in someone else's place of business.
Steve >>
I walk into your shop with a roll of well-circ Morgans that has 2 93-s coins in vg-f condition and 3 89-cc in vg-f condition. I ask you for an offer. You say $20 each which is $400 for the roll. Mite be tacky, but not unethical or illegal, since I asked you for an offer. Now if you lie and tell me that these are only worth $20 each is if fair for a customer in your store to pipe up and tell me that some of them are worth a lot more than $20 each? If I take the money and once outside the customer tells me that you lied and the 93-s are easily worth $2000 each and I come back in and say that so and so says you lied about the true value and I want my coins back, what would you do? >>
you know this brings us back to another post some time back that said do you grade your coins in a book. i think this statement would answer that question.
all my morgans and other coins are graded by me, with a note to my son or whoever gets them, to do there homework before going into any agreement with anyone , store or person.
why did i take the hours to do this, because when you have complete sets of something ,there will always be key dates !!! >>
The condition/grades of the coins isn't especially relevant except that the dealer might perceive the seller to be unknowledgeable and thus naive enough to believe that all of the coins might be worth about the same. The point is that if one party lies can it void the sale? >>
well what i like about pcgs weg site is copying the price guide and than adding your grades to the dates. it works for me.
say what you want about e-bay , but if some of these people would use it , i think some dealers would wise up.
its just a shame that most people never even think about it . when they walk away selling morgans for melt !!!
<< <i>one more point,
say what you want about e-bay , but if some of these people would use it , i think some dealers would wise up.
its just a shame that most people never even think about it . when they walk away selling morgans for melt !!! >>
I think its the quick cash thing.