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How would you handle this situation? Honestly?
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I'm deleting my question. You can still read the posts and respond to them.
However, I feel things are getting too volitile here and I'd like to put an end to it.
I hope this works and brings an end to this argument.
I regret starting this thread and I apologize for the conflicts it's caused between some members.
Please forgive me! If I'd known the direction it was going, I'd never have started it.
Thanks for your understanding.
JT
I'm deleting my question. You can still read the posts and respond to them.
However, I feel things are getting too volitile here and I'd like to put an end to it.
I hope this works and brings an end to this argument.
I regret starting this thread and I apologize for the conflicts it's caused between some members.
Please forgive me! If I'd known the direction it was going, I'd never have started it.
Thanks for your understanding.
JT
It is health that is real wealth, not pieces of gold and silver. Gandhi.
I collect all 20th century series except gold including those series that ended there.
I collect all 20th century series except gold including those series that ended there.
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This is a tough situation though.
Please be careful when selling the "LOT". There could be a few items that are most valueable.
Here is my phone number (402) 657- xxxx. If you would be so kind, I know this is not my shop, but I love collecting and passing the deals on to other collectors as well, in a fair market.
I would appreciate your consideration, humbly,
Joe the Roofer
Psssst, "here's what I told the nice lady"...
I was a Monkey
If I saw you attempting to do business in my store, you can bet you wouldn't be welcome back. Even contemplating the thought is reproachful.
Do you pay the electricity? Do you take the risks with stolen property? Do you pay the taxes? etc... ? No?
But you are perfectly willing to shop there and consider poaching the customers. Brilliant.
<< <i>You're in a B&M coin shop and an elderly woman walks in with a coin album. >>
If the woman came in to the store with the intention of offering her coins for sale, I would think the honorable thing to do would be to direct her to the owner since it's not your store. The store owner pays for the rent and advertising which brought the woman in in the first place, and he ought to be the one she talks to. In the event a deal is not made, it would then be okay to offer to look at the woman's coins.
<< <i>"This isn't my store. But I am sure someone will be right with you."
If I saw you attempting to do business in my store, you can bet you wouldn't be welcome back. Even contemplating the thought is reproachful.
Do you pay the electricity? Do you take the risks with stolen property? Do you pay the taxes? etc... ? No?
But you are perfectly willing to shop there and consider poaching the customers. Brilliant. >>
I can see where your coming from. But in another perspective, you wouldn't have seen anyone attempting to do business with a customer. Because if the customer was given the proper attention on entering the store, the idea of poaching the customer wouldn't be possible. Also, if I owned a business, I sure as hell wouldn't be sitting down drinking coffee ignoring customers walking into my store.
so you have not taken the first step
you are free to answer as you wish
perhaps-
get your offer, then meet me in the street
and I will look at it also.
You may be doing her a big favor
Imagine the inverse, if you owned a store and if someone was about to buy a coin from you and another customer ran up and talked them out of it telling them that he had one better or cheaper.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
I have been tempted a few times to get a table at some local shows and just buy coins. I would have nice banners made and say something like "coin buyer only, no sales"
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JMO Respect the man's business, he is there all year round and foots the bills always, not just when times are good, I realize the situation would be tempting but the right thing to do is.....do the right thing...respect.
Our local club had their annual coin show today. When I sent email notification to fellow employees I advised that if they had stuff to sell that they make sure to know what they had and what it was worth.
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<< <i>I have a question. How do we know the integrity of the coin shop owner even before any talking between the customer and the owner has even started? >>
Great discussion guy and girls! I didn't expect as much.
To answer this question, I was a regular at this shop and had bought a lot of things from her.
She recognized me whenever I walked in but never had a friendship basis.
JT
I collect all 20th century series except gold including those series that ended there.
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<< <i>Why do you have to make a killing? Is that difficult to be fair? >>
Because they can.
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Just a note of explanation. I am fairly new to coin collecting, but have bought and sold antiques for over 35 years and I feel that much of what I learned in that field is applicable in the world of coins.
<< <i>"This isn't my store. But I am sure someone will be right with you."
If I saw you attempting to do business in my store, you can bet you wouldn't be welcome back. Even contemplating the thought is reproachful.
Do you pay the electricity? Do you take the risks with stolen property? Do you pay the taxes? etc... ? No?
But you are perfectly willing to shop there and consider poaching the customers. Brilliant. >>
I totally agree with everything written here. The notion that this is a "tough question" or something even worthy of debate is absurd.
If you want to buy merchandise directly from the public set up your own retail shop and run ads in the yellow pages and local papers. And then, one day, when your sitting in your shop, see how you react when a customer in your store tries to buy merchandise from another customer in the exact scenario you've described.
<< <i>Why do you have to make a killing? Is that difficult to be fair? >>
Interesting question. I wonder what a few of the "Trusted Dealers" here have to say.
Ken
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<< <i>"This isn't my store. But I am sure someone will be right with you."
If I saw you attempting to do business in my store, you can bet you wouldn't be welcome back. Even contemplating the thought is reproachful.
Do you pay the electricity? Do you take the risks with stolen property? Do you pay the taxes? etc... ? No?
But you are perfectly willing to shop there and consider poaching the customers. Brilliant. >>
I totally agree with everything written here. The notion that this is a "tough question" or something even worthy of debate is absurd.
If you want to buy merchandise directly from the public set up your own retail shop and run ads in the yellow pages and local papers. And then, one day, when your sitting in your shop, see how you react when a customer in your store tries to buy merchandise from another customer in the exact scenario you've described.
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End of message. It's really stealing. It's one thing to stand outside of McDonald's with a sign that says " Will work for food" It's quite another to hold up a sign that says " These hamburgers suck".
In both cases, it's trespassing. Who can't figure it out yet ?
If I had the b@lls I would say, "Yes I do buy coins, but I'm not the owner. I think I can make a better offer, but you should talk to the owner first. Here's my card."
Of course you need to have the reserves to back up the claim if she has some nice coins.
<< <i>The notion that this is a "tough question" or something even worthy of debate is absurd. >>
You'd think so, wouldn't you?
And with all the threads that get posted here about ripoff dealers, you'd think the idea of doing such a thing wouldn't even enter the minds of those who are certain of their moral superiority when it comes to how they treat others. But then again, lots of people seem to have a way of being able to justify their actions (the dealer was probably going to rip that little old lady, anyway- right?) such that they are in the clear, regardless of their actions.
Or it could be something else altogether.
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<< <i>The notion that this is a "tough question" or something even worthy of debate is absurd. >>
You'd think so, wouldn't you?
And with all the threads that get posted here about ripoff dealers, you'd think the idea of doing such a thing wouldn't even enter the minds of those who are certain of their moral superiority when it comes to how they treat others. But then again, lots of people seem to have a way of being able to justify their actions (the dealer was probably going to rip that little old lady, anyway- right?) such that they are in the clear, regardless of their actions. >>
I'm honestly stunned that so many people here seem to think it is OK to try to encroach on a store owner's turf (literally and figuratively), involve themselves in this transaction or otherwise make their interest known to the "elderly woman".
<< <i>I'm honestly stunned that so many people here seem to think it is OK to try to encroach on a store owner's turf (literally and figuratively), involve themselves in this transaction or otherwise make their interest known to the "elderly woman". >>
I see a big difference in being approached by the seller as opposed to approaching the seller.
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<< <i>I have a question. How do we know the integrity of the coin shop owner even before any talking between the customer and the owner has even started? >>
Great discussion guy and girls! I didn't expect as much.
To answer this question, I was a regular at this shop and had bought a lot of things from her.
She recognized me whenever I walked in but never had a friendship basis.
JT >>
I see. This changes the whole story quite a bit, I think. The way it sounded originally, it appeared as if you and her just met for the first time.
<< <i>Why have her sell it to the guy for dirt cheap, then have him turn around and sell it to you at jacked up price? >>
And what if the dealer a honest person?
She says she has several more albums in her car.
FREEZE FRAME right there.
Where are you looking at coins ? In someone's store. On someone's property and place of business.
She is there to sell her wares, and you are there to buy. Not from her, but from the store owner.
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Okay, carry on !
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<< <i>I'm honestly stunned that so many people here seem to think it is OK to try to encroach on a store owner's turf (literally and figuratively), involve themselves in this transaction or otherwise make their interest known to the "elderly woman". >>
I see a big difference in being approached by the seller as opposed to approaching the seller. >>
I don't. In the OP's example, you're in someone else's coin shop, and the "elderly lady" has entered the shop specifically because it is a place where she can sell her coins. In other words, this wasn't some random chance encounter where you ran into someone with coins to sell at a picnic or something.
The only reason you met the lady is because she was there to meet someone else. I.e. the owner.
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<< <i>I have a question. How do we know the integrity of the coin shop owner even before any talking between the customer and the owner has even started? >>
Great discussion guy and girls! I didn't expect as much.
To answer this question, I was a regular at this shop and had bought a lot of things from her.
She recognized me whenever I walked in but never had a friendship basis.
JT >>
I see. This changes the whole story quite a bit, I think. The way it sounded originally, it appeared as if you and her just met for the first time. >>
You seem very confused.
In the OP's example, he was meeting the elderly lady for the first time. It was the shop owner who recognized him, but with whom he was not friends.
Neither of these facts change anything, however.
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<< <i>I'm honestly stunned that so many people here seem to think it is OK to try to encroach on a store owner's turf (literally and figuratively), involve themselves in this transaction or otherwise make their interest known to the "elderly woman". >>
I see a big difference in being approached by the seller as opposed to approaching the seller. >>
I don't. In the OP's example, you're in someone else's coin shop, and the "elderly lady" has entered the shop specifically because it is a place where she can sell her coins. In other words, this wasn't some random chance encounter where you ran into someone with coins to sell at a picnic or something.
The only reason you met the lady is because she was there to meet someone else. I.e. the owner. >>
I have no fiduciary duty whatsoever to the dealer, only the obligation not to engage in business interference. There is a profound difference.
<< <i>I have no fiduciary duty whatsoever to the dealer, only the obligation not to engage in business interference. There is a profound difference. >>
I suppose it depends how you define "business interference".
In any case, if you think this is acceptable behavior, I'm obviously not going to convince you otherwise.
I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment
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<< <i>I have no fiduciary duty whatsoever to the dealer, only the obligation not to engage in business interference. There is a profound difference. >>
I suppose it depends how you define "business interference".
In any case, if you think this is acceptable behavior, I'm obviously not going to convince you otherwise. >>
I'm defining fiduciary duty and business interference as I believe any other lawyer would do. In any event, I agree that the dealer would be furious and rightly so. Unfortunately for him, I think the law is on his side in one instance and not the other.
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<< <i>I have a question. How do we know the integrity of the coin shop owner even before any talking between the customer and the owner has even started? >>
Great discussion guy and girls! I didn't expect as much.
To answer this question, I was a regular at this shop and had bought a lot of things from her.
She recognized me whenever I walked in but never had a friendship basis.
JT >>
I see. This changes the whole story quite a bit, I think. The way it sounded originally, it appeared as if you and her just met for the first time. >>
You seem very confused.
In the OP's example, he was meeting the elderly lady for the first time. It was the shop owner who recognized him, but with whom he was not friends.
Neither of these facts change anything, however. >>
Oh, okay. I misread the post. Nevertheless, it appears that the OP has given the impression, at least to me, that the shop owner was indeed dishonest in some manner.
Furthermore, it appears that the elderly woman asked "do you buy coins?", which is a common question to ask a store employee. A reasonable implication would be that the elderly woman thought that the OP worked at the store.
i think the correct situation this case was to refer to the shop owner, namely because I believe that the elderly woman's intention was to sell to the store, and not to the OP.
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<< <i>If the dealer is a scum sucking bottomfeeder ripoff he probably deserves a little turnabout is fair play treatment. >>
So basically, two wrongs make a right?
BTW- if the dealer is a scum sucking bottomfeeder ripoff, why are you in his store in the first place? If you're buying from him, you are benefitting from and enabling his scum sucking ways.
Rhetorical question- is it okay to buy from a (known to you as such) scum sucking dealer who rips off little old ladies, as long as you're not the one who does the actual ripping off?
fly your true colors high, folks.
I am taking notes for future use.
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<< <i>If the dealer is a scum sucking bottomfeeder ripoff he probably deserves a little turnabout is fair play treatment. >>
So basically, two wrongs make a right?
BTW- if the dealer is a scum sucking bottomfeeder ripoff, why are you in his store in the first place? If you're buying from him, you are benefitting from and enabling his scum sucking ways.
Rhetorical question- is it okay to buy from a (known to you as such) scum sucking dealer who rips off little old ladies, as long as you're not the one who does the actual ripping off? >>
a. For guys like him, every deal he doesn't get is a plus for the other guy/gal that he didn't screw in the process.
b. I think I brought that up in my first post to the thread. I imagine there could be other reasons to be in his shop other than to buy coins.
c. If he was known to me to be a crook, I wouldn't be doing business with him.
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It is ok for them to show and sell to the dealers who paid for tables. But if a fellow attendee wants to look, it is bad. Even after the dealer has turned them away.
One show, I think the show police were on us before the guy even opened his box. It was slow since most of the dealers were already gone so we probably stuck out.
Another time we were told to leave, I think money was being exchanged at that point.
Anytime people have paid money for the right to transact business, you should ask their permission before intruding on that right or be prepared to face the consequences if caught.
<< <i>It is simliar to buying from a vest pocket dealer at a coin show.
It is ok for them to show and sell to the dealers who paid for tables. But if a fellow attendee wants to look, it is bad. Even after the dealer has turned them away.
One show, I think the show police were on us before the guy even opened his box. It was slow since most of the dealers were already gone so we probably stuck out.
Another time we were told to leave, I think money was being exchanged at that point.
Anytime people have paid money for the right to transact business, you should ask their permission before intruding on that right or be prepared to face the consequences if caught. >>
Well said.
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<< <i>If the dealer is a scum sucking bottomfeeder ripoff he probably deserves a little turnabout is fair play treatment. >>
So basically, two wrongs make a right?
BTW- if the dealer is a scum sucking bottomfeeder ripoff, why are you in his store in the first place? If you're buying from him, you are benefitting from and enabling his scum sucking ways.
Rhetorical question- is it okay to buy from a (known to you as such) scum sucking dealer who rips off little old ladies, as long as you're not the one who does the actual ripping off? >>
You sound like you support the turd. Like crooked cops who support their own kind or lawyers who won't tackle their own kind. How bout if you wait for her in the parking lot and then tell her?
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