Yes, Morgans, specifically monster toned Morgans that somehow command premiums. IMO, it almost seems like there are more monster toned Morgans out there than blast white Morgans. I think they are grossly overrated and why pay a premium for one when there are hundreds more around the corner.
Toned coins for me. They're pretty, but with so many other things I can collect, I'd rather have nothing to do with determining whether a coin is AT or NT.
Morgans. I actually see why people like them; they're big, they're silver, they tone really nicely....they are just sooooooo common, even the key date has many, many thousands certified. Every dealer has a million of them. I don't collect them because everyone else does.
<< <i>I dont get why folks dont appricate moderns. (yes I know all the reasons) I just find them silly. (the reaons not the persons) >>
One of the main reasons I collect coins is to study the history surrounding them, the era in which they circulated, the reasons they were minted, how they impacted the daily lives of common folk, etc. It's hard to study the history of modern coins since, by definition, there isn't much.
That said, I still respect those who choose to collect moderns...they are just not for me.
Collect what you like and like what you collect. It's all good. >>
My series and varieties are far from popular so at least they are safe from this question.
I now wonder why so many collect ASE's with all the milk spot issues. I now only get them as bullion and will not pay a premium for tougher dates because of this.
You must be a sports card or stamp collector, right?
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
Naw Perry Hall, I just can't see paying that much for a coin that isn't even the original size..Plus the way it's going it looks like you might recieve the coin next year..
Now I don't mind overpaying for the AGE's, Buffalo's and Prosperity sets!
As far as series go, I don't understand why anyone would want Morgan dollars or Lincoln cents, but I accept that others do. Even more than an entire series, though, I truely don't understand the power of a fancy nickname for a simple die state of an otherwise reasonably common coin--such as the "Three-Legged Buffalo" or "1922 Plain" cent...or, even for that matter from a series near and dear to my heart...the "Bearded Goddess".
IMO, a simple die state does not create a different variety. It should not require a different hole in a collection.
Just because I'm old doesn't mean I don't love to look at a pretty bust.
NCLT, US Mint bullion issues, state quarters, Morgan dollars, presidential dollars, Seated Liberty anything, proof anything.
NCLT, bullion, and proofs are not really coins, dontch know?
State quarter and pres dollar designs don't speak to me. The morgan obverse is nice but the reverse looks a little silly to me. I used to love them but I think I just too many around these days for me to get excited about them. The Seated Liberty pattern is OK but it just seems sort of blah. I may change my mind on this one though. I do like the SL without the stars.
Like so many 19th century creations, the Coronet Large Cent is a real eye-sore. Safe, devoid of imagination and artistic finesse, the clunky Coronets started off as hideous, matronly portraits and "evolved" into the awkward profiles at the tail end of the series. The engravers or "artists" tried retooling, "refining" and recreating new hubs, but their lame attempts never resulted in a masterful finish.
For the Morgan and Barber "haters", does toning change your willingness to have a few in your collection?
I'm not a "hater," I'm just not that excited by Morgans. My lack of excitement is not altered by seeing another image of one, I'm afraid. I already know what they look like.
Actually, the eagle reverse of the barber quarters and halves has always struck me as funny. It looks like some smacked the eagle on its back, perhaps squashed by that shield on its breast and now it's seeing stars. Now, I say that as someone who actually likes the Barber coins.
<< <i>Like so many 19th century creations, the Coronet Large Cent is a real eye-sore. Safe, devoid of imagination and artistic finesse, the clunky Coronets started off as hideous, matronly portraits and "evolved" into the awkward profiles at the tail end of the series. The engravers or "artists" tried retooling, "refining" and recreating new hubs, but their lame attempts never resulted in a masterful finish. >>
I have to admit that you're right but I still love large cents all the same!
<< <i>Like so many 19th century creations, the Coronet Large Cent is a real eye-sore. Safe, devoid of imagination and artistic finesse, the clunky Coronets started off as hideous, matronly portraits and "evolved" into the awkward profiles at the tail end of the series. The engravers or "artists" tried retooling, "refining" and recreating new hubs, but their lame attempts never resulted in a masterful finish. >>
I have to admit that you're right but I still love large cents all the same! >>
I know what you mean. Just because a coin lacks artistic merit doesn't mean it lacks collectability.
I will collect almost anything, my largest collection is 1909-1982 Lincoln cents with about 13,127 coins (90 lbs worth). They averaged less than a cent each as I still pick up pennies off the street. I like Lincolns, but would never pay more than face value for one.
Robert Scot: Engraving Liberty - biography of US Mint's first chief engraver
Hey ..I'm a coin collector.I collect what "I" like.I'm sure others collect what "they" like.I have my coins certified and I buy certified coins....but what I realy don't get is certified bullion coins...... ..they are non circulated issue to begin with..
Any series in copper or gold... don't like em and never did... I tried, really... but they just do not move me at all... (actually, gold does "move" me but not in a good way)
...and anything with a dead Prez (or "founding father") on it...
In my collection I stick to pre-presidential silver and nickel...
I also like exonumia that does not celebrate politics or war... (talk about rarity )
Re: Slabbed coins - There are some coins that LIVE within clear plastic and wear their labels with pride... while there are others that HIDE behind scratched plastic and are simply dragged along by a label. Then there are those coins that simply hang out, naked and free
yes -- the kennedy half -- too many to fathom. I like short series - eg, eisernhowers -- lots of variety in a short series. Noone pays attention to the long series - until they are 10 years obsolete.
“When you don't know what you're talking about, it's hard to know when you're finished.” - Tommy Smothers
Morgan dollars.... they just seem sooooo overpriced to me. Even the key dates can be bought at any given show in many grades. Ohhh well, that's what makes collecting great, you can collect whatever you'd like.
Want to buy an auction catalog for the William Hesslein Sale (December 2, 1926). Thanks to all those who have helped us obtain the others!!!
I will preface my comments to say that this is not intended to offend anybody, I'm just stating what does NOT float my boat re popular coin series. 1) Franklin Halves. I owned a number of them in 3 and 4, and didn't look at them for years. When I got around to looking at them after awhile, I decided to take them to a coin show and get rid of them, because I never wanted to see any of them again. Ben was a great man, but he makes an ugly obverse on a large coin. The reverse is just too busy and uninspiring for my tastes.
2) Morgan $s. I think the design is unimaginative, and that the Mexican 8 real coin, which is around the same size, is far more attractive. I sent in the nicest of my GSA CC Morgans, the best of them got in a 6 holder & I got rid of the rest. The only reason I kept it is for my type set.
3) Anything minted after the Walker stopped being made. I think the Walker is the last attractive U.S. coin series.
"Vou invadir o Nordeste, "Seu cabra da peste, "Sou Mangueira......."
I just don't get the BIG premiums for colorfully tarnished silver. Come on guys---tarnish is a form of enviornmental damage.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
Almost all of the colorfully 'toned' coins were made by knowingly placing them into an environment conducive to creating a fast silver tarnish. Very few of these toned coins got that way by sitting in a bag for a hundred years. I'm not a fan of album toning either. At one point, I thought it was sort of pretty. I'm tired of it now. If it doesn't have the long history associated with it, it does not interest me. Most toning does is not 'historic'.
But I understand the attraction of "teh shiny-shiny-color-color".
Fortunately, there is no one right answer for everybody.
<< <i>I just don't get the BIG premiums for colorfully tarnished silver. Come on guys---tarnish is a form of enviornmental damage. >>
Right, and fine sculpture is a form of marble damage. >>
Not even close but nice try.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
<< <i>I just don't get the BIG premiums for colorfully tarnished silver. Come on guys---tarnish is a form of enviornmental damage. >>
Right, and fine sculpture is a form of marble damage. >>
Gotta admit, he is right... Toning is a reductive process caused by the environment. It would be a more correct comparison if you had said, "Right, and erosion on fine sculpture is a form of damage". Not saying that Toners aren't the best thing since sliced bread, but they are certainly not created that way, it is a, to some degree, a damaging effect caused by chemical reaction.
<< <i>Almost all of the colorfully 'toned' coins were made by knowingly placing them into an environment conducive to creating a fast silver tarnish. Very few of these toned coins got that way by sitting in a bag for a hundred years. I'm not a fan of album toning either. At one point, I thought it was sort of pretty. I'm tired of it now. If it doesn't have the long history associated with it, it does not interest me. Most toning does is not 'historic'. >>
Hmmm, so tens of thousands of bag-toned Morgans, mint set monsters, and colorful, original type coins is "very few"? If it's not to your taste, that's fine, but to call it "damage" is misguided.
<< <i>Gotta admit, he is right... Toning is a reductive process caused by the environment. It would be a more correct comparison if you had said, "Right, and erosion on fine sculpture is a form of damage". Not saying that Toners aren't the best thing since sliced bread, but they are certainly not created that way, it is a, to some degree, a damaging effect caused by chemical reaction. >>
Definition of damage form dictionary.com:
1. injury or harm that reduces value or usefulness
Since colorful toners usually sell for more, you can't argue that their value is reduced. Furthermore, ALL silver and copper (and even gold, more slowly) coins react to the environment and tone over time. Sometimes it just happens in a way that is more aesthetically pleasing. Again, if you don't like it, fine. But, it isn't "damage"! PCGS has a category of non-gradable coin called "damaged". Please don't use language improperly.
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Although I somehow ended up with a Complete BU collection of each!
Interest in post-1965 series is just waiting for CladKing to finish his book. Then, a lot of us will change our tunes!
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<< <i>I dont get why folks dont appricate moderns. (yes I know all the reasons) I just find them silly. (the reaons not the persons) >>
One of the main reasons I collect coins is to study the history surrounding them, the era in which they circulated, the reasons they were minted, how they impacted the daily lives of common folk, etc. It's hard to study the history of modern coins since, by definition, there isn't much.
That said, I still respect those who choose to collect moderns...they are just not for me.
Collect what you like and like what you collect. It's all good.
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I now wonder why so many collect ASE's with all the milk spot issues. I now only get them as bullion and will not pay a premium for tougher dates because of this.
Ever Onward
<< <i>The new Ultra High Relief gold coins... >>
You must be a sports card or stamp collector, right?
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
Now I don't mind overpaying for the AGE's, Buffalo's and Prosperity sets!
Ever Onward
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IMO, a simple die state does not create a different variety. It should not require a different hole in a collection.
<< <i>2 cent pieces?
3CNs?
This thread is about popular coin serieses. es. >>
You got a point.
Are MPLs popular enough to qualify?
VAMs?
Indian quarter eagles?
Classic head large cents?
Modern commems?
Classic gold commems?
Cal Gold?
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<< <i>2 cent pieces?
3CNs?
This thread is about popular coin serieses. es. >>
You got a point.
Are MPLs popular enough to qualify? No
VAMs? Yes
Indian quarter eagles? Yes
Classic head large cents? Yes
Modern commems? Thursdays only
Classic gold commems? No
Cal Gold?No >>
Sorry, I don't make the rules. I just follow 'em.
Just can't get into it.
NCLT, bullion, and proofs are not really coins, dontch know?
State quarter and pres dollar designs don't speak to me. The morgan obverse is nice but the reverse looks a little silly to me. I used to love them but I think I just too many around these days for me to get excited about them. The Seated Liberty pattern is OK but it just seems sort of blah. I may change my mind on this one though. I do like the SL without the stars.
I'm not a fan of either series, but these examples of toned eagles are hard to disparage and are worth owning IMHO:
DJCoinz Morgan:
My Barber quarter:
"She comes out of the sun in a silk dress,
running like a water color in the rain...."
The engravers or "artists" tried retooling, "refining" and recreating new hubs, but their lame attempts never resulted in a masterful finish.
I'm not a "hater," I'm just not that excited by Morgans. My lack of excitement is not altered by seeing another image of one, I'm afraid. I already know what they look like.
Actually, the eagle reverse of the barber quarters and halves has always struck me as funny. It looks like some smacked the eagle on its back, perhaps squashed by that shield on its breast and now it's seeing stars. Now, I say that as someone who actually likes the Barber coins.
<< <i>Like so many 19th century creations, the Coronet Large Cent is a real eye-sore. Safe, devoid of imagination and artistic finesse, the clunky Coronets started off as hideous, matronly portraits and "evolved" into the awkward profiles at the tail end of the series.
The engravers or "artists" tried retooling, "refining" and recreating new hubs, but their lame attempts never resulted in a masterful finish. >>
I have to admit that you're right but I still love large cents all the same!
<< <i>
<< <i>Like so many 19th century creations, the Coronet Large Cent is a real eye-sore. Safe, devoid of imagination and artistic finesse, the clunky Coronets started off as hideous, matronly portraits and "evolved" into the awkward profiles at the tail end of the series.
The engravers or "artists" tried retooling, "refining" and recreating new hubs, but their lame attempts never resulted in a masterful finish. >>
I have to admit that you're right but I still love large cents all the same!
I know what you mean.
Just because a coin lacks artistic merit doesn't mean it lacks collectability.
<< <i>The new Ultra High Relief gold coins... >>
i second that, just don't get it ....looks more like a medal (hockey puck) than a coin.
I know it is popular, but just don't get it,
I just don't like the look. Yeah, and I collect Ike's!
I almost even confuse myself.
...and anything with a dead Prez (or "founding father") on it...
In my collection I stick to pre-presidential silver and nickel...
I also like exonumia that does not celebrate politics or war... (talk about rarity
<< <i>For the Morgan... ..."haters", does toning change your willingness to have a few in your collection? >>
Not in the least. Toning doesn't change the design.
1) Franklin Halves. I owned a number of them in 3 and 4, and didn't look at them for years. When I got around to looking at them after awhile, I decided to take them to a coin show and get rid of them, because I never wanted to see any of them again. Ben was a great man, but he makes an ugly obverse on a large coin. The reverse is just too busy and uninspiring for my tastes.
2) Morgan $s. I think the design is unimaginative, and that the Mexican 8 real coin, which is around the same size, is far more attractive. I sent in the nicest of my GSA CC Morgans, the best of them got in a 6 holder & I got rid of the rest. The only reason I kept it is for my type set.
3) Anything minted after the Walker stopped being made. I think the Walker is the last attractive U.S. coin series.
"Seu cabra da peste,
"Sou Mangueira......."
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
<< <i>I just don't get the BIG premiums for colorfully tarnished silver. Come on guys---tarnish is a form of enviornmental damage. >>
Right, and fine sculpture is a form of marble damage.
Almost all of the colorfully 'toned' coins were made by knowingly placing them into an environment conducive to creating a fast silver tarnish.
Very few of these toned coins got that way by sitting in a bag for a hundred years.
I'm not a fan of album toning either. At one point, I thought it was sort of pretty. I'm tired of it now.
If it doesn't have the long history associated with it, it does not interest me. Most toning does is not 'historic'.
But I understand the attraction of "teh shiny-shiny-color-color".
Fortunately, there is no one right answer for everybody.
<< <i>
<< <i>I just don't get the BIG premiums for colorfully tarnished silver. Come on guys---tarnish is a form of enviornmental damage. >>
Right, and fine sculpture is a form of marble damage. >>
Not even close but nice try.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
<< <i>
<< <i>I just don't get the BIG premiums for colorfully tarnished silver. Come on guys---tarnish is a form of enviornmental damage. >>
Right, and fine sculpture is a form of marble damage. >>
Gotta admit, he is right... Toning is a reductive process caused by the environment. It would be a more correct comparison if you had said, "Right, and erosion on fine sculpture is a form of damage". Not saying that Toners aren't the best thing since sliced bread, but they are certainly not created that way, it is a, to some degree, a damaging effect caused by chemical reaction.
<< <i>Almost all of the colorfully 'toned' coins were made by knowingly placing them into an environment conducive to creating a fast silver tarnish.
Very few of these toned coins got that way by sitting in a bag for a hundred years.
I'm not a fan of album toning either. At one point, I thought it was sort of pretty. I'm tired of it now.
If it doesn't have the long history associated with it, it does not interest me. Most toning does is not 'historic'. >>
Hmmm, so tens of thousands of bag-toned Morgans, mint set monsters, and colorful, original type coins
is "very few"? If it's not to your taste, that's fine, but to call it "damage" is misguided.
<< <i>I just don't get the BIG premiums for colorfully tarnished silver. Come on guys---tarnish is a form of enviornmental damage. >>
I am with you all the way on this one. Sometimes a little color is nice but I really don't understand paying a premium for it.
<< <i>Gotta admit, he is right... Toning is a reductive process caused by the environment. It would be a more correct comparison if you had said, "Right, and erosion on fine sculpture is a form of damage". Not saying that Toners aren't the best thing since sliced bread, but they are certainly not created that way, it is a, to some degree, a damaging effect caused by chemical reaction. >>
Definition of damage form dictionary.com:
1. injury or harm that reduces value or usefulness
Since colorful toners usually sell for more, you can't argue that their value is reduced.
Furthermore, ALL silver and copper (and even gold, more slowly) coins react to the environment and
tone over time. Sometimes it just happens in a way that is more aesthetically pleasing. Again,
if you don't like it, fine. But, it isn't "damage"! PCGS has a category of non-gradable coin called
"damaged". Please don't use language improperly.
Thank you, end of rant.
Case after case of them at coin shows, yawn. Same old fat faced woman on the obverse.
Apologies to those who really love the coins but they do nothing for me.