How will this '62 Frankie grade? - Grade Posted

frnklnlvr · February 25, 2009 7:12PM

I bought this coin in a PCGS MS63FBL holder on Ebay. The coin had a nasty looking tone on it. The tone was original, it was not from an improper dip but it was very unattractive.

It's been briefly soaked in MS70, rinsed, and rinsed again in denatured alcohol.

I've posted before and after pics of the coin.

The coin looks amazing now. What do you think this will grade?

Before

After

AngryTurtle · February 25, 2009 8:09PM

Interesting. For some reason I assumed MS 70 was only for copper (I have never used MS70). I say you bumped it up a grade to 64FBL

frnklnlvr · February 25, 2009 8:14PM

I didn't do the "conservation" myself. I had a friend do it that has a lot more experience in this area than I do.

DenverDave · February 25, 2009 9:28PM

I'm a Tone Freak but I must admit it looks better dipped...

Interesting the Milk Spots stayed after the dip...

Well a 1 point bump is $300, two point bump at 3K...

Here's to two points...

Cameonut · February 25, 2009 9:31PM

I always hesitate grading via pics, but it does look better than a 63.

I a sure you will let us know what grade it earned when it comes back from PCGS.

Good luck.

dsessom · February 25, 2009 10:43PM

Wow! That's a heck of an improvement! Definitely 64FBL now.

Longacre · February 25, 2009 10:49PM

64, no sticker.

frnklnlvr · February 26, 2009 6:01AM

Yea some of the spots are still there but it's not nearly as bad as it was. I think it has a good shot at 64FBL but I'm hoping it will go 65FBL. The cheek is really clean, virtually no hits.

BTW, the lines under EPU are die polish, not scratches.

lcoopie · February 26, 2009 7:35AM

good luck on that 64
very very good luck on 65

frnklnlvr · February 27, 2009 7:51PM

<< I always hesitate grading via pics, but it does look better than a 63.

I a sure you will let us know what grade it earned when it comes back from PCGS.

Good luck. >>

Yes, I'll post the grade when it comes back.

ALHENDER22 · March 1, 2009 4:50PM

The DIP is very OBVIOUS on the REVERSE and Obverse in many places. Forget FULL BELL LINES not even close. Coin has lots of little chatter OBV and REV. My Nickels worth: If they dont bodybag it for the batched cleaning, its an MS 62/MS63. As for previous FULL BELL LINES, dont know how that happended, but your photo makes the coin appear as though the 3RD bottom ring is 70 or more percent missing and the crack in the BELL appears to only make it to the top of where your Third Bell ring should be. For Full Bands your Upper and Lower bands must be fully complete with no nicks, flat spots dings ETC... Further both sets of rings must extend from one side of the Bell Fully to the other side of the Bell. The crack in Liberty must extend three all Three upper and lower bands for the coin to be FBLS. Its been awhile since I was submitting Franklins. Please if I left out or must quoted anything please feel free to jump in.

Al

Coxe · March 1, 2009 4:56PM

MS63

frnklnlvr · March 1, 2009 7:26PM

This coin wasn't dipped. Just MS70. I'm not sure why you think the "cleaning" was botched. The spotting that is still there is what didn't come off with the MS70. It was done by a dealer that has a lot of experience in conservation.

lcoopie · March 1, 2009 7:33PM

I think he may mean on the initial photo, not what was done recently??

and I've seen a similiar look on many Franklins directly from a mint bag,
the spotting may have been from a mint rinse of some sort, not a bad cleaning job.

frnklnlvr · March 1, 2009 7:40PM

<< I think he may mean on the initial photo, not what was done recently??

and I've seen a similiar look on many Franklins directly from a mint bag,
the spotting may have been from a mint rinse of some sort, not a bad cleaning job. >>

Correct. The coin had not been dipped previously.

I know we could get in a big discussion on whether this is FBL or not.

calaban7 · March 1, 2009 8:59PM

MS 63.

There are some very noticable marks in the key focal spots.

Good Luck.

Steve27 · March 1, 2009 9:11PM

It looks a lot better, but it's still a 63FBL.

frnklnlvr · March 1, 2009 9:34PM

<< MS 63.

There are some very noticable marks in the key focal spots.

Good Luck. >>

What marks are you referring to? The only ones that seem noticeable to me are the marks above the 2 and a few on the bell.

mkman123 · March 2, 2009 1:34AM

doesn't look good at all!

frnklnlvr · March 2, 2009 2:25AM

Man, yall are pretty harsh on this one. It looks beautiful in person. At least to me it does. It's semi-reflective.

grip · March 2, 2009 4:19AM

I would call it a low end 64FBL.

GoldenEyeNumismatics · March 2, 2009 6:52AM

An old fashioned dip would remove the remainder of those spots.

bushmaster8 · March 2, 2009 7:06AM

<< An old fashioned dip would remove the remainder of those spots. >>

WoodenJefferson · March 2, 2009 7:48AM

Esthetically, a major improvement, but I donâ€™t think you increased the grade point, just the visual aspect of the coins reflective surface. I can still see spotting, hence the same or even lower grade. This coin could have progressed while entombed, hard to say, but it looks a lot better than it did, but still not a dazzler for a 64. My gut feeling, MS-63FBL or lower.

grip · March 2, 2009 9:48AM

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<< An old fashioned dip would remove the remainder of those spots. >>

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.........Agree.

frnklnlvr · April 11, 2009 6:46PM

The '62 graded MS64FBL, I don't have the coin back yet.

I'm happy with this grade. I've only got about $65 in it including grading fees.

jmj3esq · April 11, 2009 10:35PM

What is an "old fashioned dip"?

frnklnlvr · April 11, 2009 10:44PM

<< What is an "old fashioned dip"? >>

Dipping the coin in a product called E-Z-EST to remove the toning and make the coin "white". It's an acid so it does remove a microscopic layer of metal. You can ruin a coin if it's not done correctly.

darktone · April 11, 2009 11:03PM

It looks much better! My guess is that toning occurred after it was slabbed from residue on the coin- possibly after it was soaked in acetone that was dirty. Now it looks like it probably did when first submitted. 100% improvement- I would dip it as others said.

keets · April 11, 2009 11:26PM

It's been briefly soaked in MS70, rinsed, and rinsed again in denatured alcohol.
I didn't do the "conservation" myself. I had a friend do it that has a lot more experience in this area than I do.

several thoughts on this............................i'm actually quite surprised that the "original is always better" crowd hasn't joined in and stated that the coin as shown in the before pictures looks superior, perhaps they considered that keeping silent was the better choice. oh, well. as for the "friend" with the experience, i would suggest you find either another friend or one with more experience, but that's just my opinion from personal experience. MS70 should be avoided and if used it should be the last thing on the coin, not the first, and that acetone is stronger and harmless meaning it's a better choice than denatured alcohol. i feel confident in saying that much, much better results would have been achieved by first soaking the coin in acetone and then using the aforementioned "old fashioned dip" to remove whatever it is that is/was on the coin. i don't think it was tone, rather it looks like some sort of contamination.

based solely on the pictures, i doubt that PCGS would have holdered the coin if it looked as it does when submitted, at 63 or any other grade, and judging again from the pictures i'd have had my doubts on the re-submission. i'll assume it looks much better in-hand.

lcoopie · April 12, 2009 12:05AM

I tried using acetone on coins that look like the OP
and there was no change,
and dip didn't work either
perhaps I didn't leave it on long enough

The OP had a very good result here,
and I would call it conservation, not doctoring.

frnklnlvr · April 12, 2009 1:16AM

I'm happy with the way it looks and I'm keeping it for my personal collection for now anyway. I may crack it and dip it one day but for now it's gonna stay in the holder.

Halfhunter06 · April 12, 2009 1:35AM

I had grade it MS-63 and it looked like FBL. Good find though!

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