Anyone think PBGS/USM falsley advertised...

buffalonut · February 25, 2009 2:28PM

the UHR with regard to FIFO?; hence damaged customers monetarily? Are there any hungry attorneys on this board?

maybe too many

imron · February 25, 2009 2:36PM

it's not that they lied; they just royally screwed up. unfortunately, stupidity is not a crime nor a legal reason for population control. furthermore, the us mint has much bigger pockets than all of the world's lawyers combined. all we can do is rage against the machine and/or cry like babies.

buffalonut · February 25, 2009 2:37PM

How about PBGS?

blu62vette · February 25, 2009 2:39PM

How about waiting until after the FS deadline before moaning about who got what. Have any of these coins sold in the secondary market yet? And if so how do you prove the price damage and dont say you would base it on any ebay sales......

imron · February 25, 2009 2:41PM

our contract is with the us mint. pbgs acts as an agent for and on behalf of the us mint. And since pbgs did not harm us directly we would have to bring suit against the us mint. The us mint could bring suit against pbgs.

imron · February 25, 2009 2:44PM

<< How about waiting until after the FS deadline before moaning about who got what. Have any of these coins sold in the secondary market yet? And if so how do you prove the price damage and dont say you would base it on any ebay sales...... >>

even after the expiration of the FS deadline, there are no damages. The US Mint does not guarantee shipping dates. More compelling however is that the US Mint does NOT acknowledge First Strike designations and have publicly stated same.

rooksmith · February 25, 2009 2:45PM

I think you have crossed the bridge between hobbyist and litigant.

buffalonut · February 25, 2009 2:45PM

Lets just say I ordered before Charlie and missed that opporunity. Hypothetical of course. BTW, I am sniveling not moaning; moaning is when Im ... well nevermind.

imron · February 25, 2009 2:47PM

<< I think you have crossed the bridge between hobbyist and litigant. >>

Ya, but what a kool bridge to cross. However, I'm on my back; don't wanna be stuck on this side of the bridge.

ON MY WAY BACK THAT IS...paging Dr. Freud

blu62vette · February 25, 2009 2:47PM

What did you miss out on?If you got yours before Charlie but were not the first order then someone else missed out.

buffalonut · February 25, 2009 2:50PM

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<< How about waiting until after the FS deadline before moaning about who got what. Have any of these coins sold in the secondary market yet? And if so how do you prove the price damage and dont say you would base it on any ebay sales...... >>

even after the expiration of the FS deadline, there are no damages. The US Mint does not guarantee shipping dates. More compelling however is that the US Mint does NOT acknowledge First Strike designations and have publicly stated same. >>

Yes, but they did advertise in no uncertain terms First in First Out

buffalonut · February 25, 2009 2:52PM

<< What did you miss out on?If you got yours before Charlie but were not the first order then someone else missed out. >>

Thanks for making my point.

blu62vette · February 25, 2009 2:54PM

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<< How about waiting until after the FS deadline before moaning about who got what. Have any of these coins sold in the secondary market yet? And if so how do you prove the price damage and dont say you would base it on any ebay sales...... >>

even after the expiration of the FS deadline, there are no damages. The US Mint does not guarantee shipping dates. More compelling however is that the US Mint does NOT acknowledge First Strike designations and have publicly stated same. >>

Yes, but they did advertise in no uncertain terms First in First Out >>

And their response will be that Charlie and others who got the coin already gave up on the book and took a partial filled order forgoing the first in first out. Not saying it is fair but I would imagine that would be the response.

You still havent said what you missed out on.

imron · February 25, 2009 2:58PM

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<< How about waiting until after the FS deadline before moaning about who got what. Have any of these coins sold in the secondary market yet? And if so how do you prove the price damage and dont say you would base it on any ebay sales...... >>

even after the expiration of the FS deadline, there are no damages. The US Mint does not guarantee shipping dates. More compelling however is that the US Mint does NOT acknowledge First Strike designations and have publicly stated same. >>

Yes, but they did advertise in no uncertain terms First in First Out >>

They only advertise that "Orders will be processed on a first-in, first-out basis". This does not necessarily mean that orders will be SHIPPED on a first in first out basis. For instance, say your credit card screws up, well then you get railroaded till your card gets fixed. Look, buffalonut, i'm on your side. i'm mad as hell at these morons, but there is no legal case here.

buffalonut · February 25, 2009 3:03PM

<< You still havent said what you missed out on. >>

I dont have my #@%&$## coin. THATS WHAT!
It would be analogous with you ordering your 62 vette and not getting it til 63. DOH! mebbe not such a goo analogy.

blu62vette · February 25, 2009 3:06PM

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<< You still havent said what you missed out on. >>

I dont have my #@%&$## coin. THATS WHAT!
It would be analogous with you ordering your 62 vette and not getting it til 63. DOH! mebbe not such a goo analogy. >>

In your first post you mention monetary damages. What is the $$ amount?

I dont have a job, do I get to sue someone.

Bad analogy. I wasn't even born yet...

imron · February 25, 2009 3:13PM

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<< You still havent said what you missed out on. >>

I dont have my #@%&$## coin. THATS WHAT!
It would be analogous with you ordering your 62 vette and not getting it til 63. DOH! mebbe not such a goo analogy. >>

that's just too funny

evidently, the mint brings the best out of all of us. let us love the mint. let us be one with the mint.

buffalonut · February 25, 2009 3:16PM

>>>>In your first post you mention monetary damages. What is the $$ amount?

I dont have a job, do I get to sue someone.

Bad analogy. I wasn't even born yet..<<<<

Ill settle for an extra UHR

Yea, Im thinkin class action

You would have rather received a 63 split window anyway.

blu62vette · February 25, 2009 3:19PM

<< >>>>In your first post you mention monetary damages. What is the $$ amount?

I dont have a job, do I get to sue someone.

Bad analogy. I wasn't even born yet..<<<<

Ill settle for an extra UHR

Yea, Im thinkin class action

You would have rather received a 63 split window anyway. >>

What $$ amount? I would love to hear an answer to that question. You going to do a class actin suit for fun with no dollar amount in mind?

I am happy with my fuelie.

imron · February 25, 2009 3:23PM

What $$ amount? I would love to hear an answer to that question. You going to do a class actin suit for fun with no dollar amount in mind?

I am happy with my fuelie. >>

i'm thinkin $66.95 million based on 50,000 units times $1,339.00. This is nothing compared to those bailouts they're giving away. We need a damn bailout!!!

imron · February 25, 2009 3:24PM

yup, we need to ring the register...

can u say frivolous lawsuit?

buffalonut · February 25, 2009 3:30PM

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<< What $$ amount? I would love to hear an answer to that question. You going to do a class actin suit for fun with no dollar amount in mind? >>

1189 and I go away.

I love corvettes btw. I used to own a 63. The car was a complete nightmare; a junker by enthusiast standards. I put a replaced the small block with a 427 an then drove it under a moose. A friend of mine put the motor in a 4x4 chevy truck. I watched him pull a 14x70 mobile home with that beast.

buffalonut · February 25, 2009 3:33PM

I gotta go. I ll look for a suitable attorney in the AM if I am still feeling litigous.

itsnotjustme · February 25, 2009 6:29PM

Isn't it great that people think this is why we need lawyers in this country? De weed need a case in the courts over what date your package shipped? Really. I guess you could call it a jobs program for lawyers, legal techs, and judges.

Frankcoins · February 25, 2009 9:32PM

You can't sue the government unless the government agrees to let you. It's called sovereign immunity. that is - the sovereign, or government, - cannot be sued it its own courts. On April 16, 1947, a ship loaded with ammonium nitrate fertilzer (same as what Timothy McVeigh used in Oklahoma) sponaneously blew up in the port of Texas City, Texas, setting off a nearby ammunition ship, other ships, and fuel storage tanks on shore. Over 500 people were killed, and the harbor at Texas City itself was reduced to a smoldering ruin. The entire scheme about storing and shipping both the fertilizer and ammunition had been undertaken and supervised by the federal government, everybody consequently sued the government. They lost. The US Supreme Court ruled that even if the plaintiffs could prove that the federal planning had been really, really stupid (which it was) it all fell under the umbrella of “discretionary function” decision making, therefore the feds didn’t have to pay squat. Since the Mint "decided" to use Pitney Bowes, they are exempt from any damages from doing so.

There are some very narrow exceptions where government employees can sue for damages.

kranky · February 25, 2009 10:39PM

If there's a suit filed over this, all that will happen is that the Mint will say in the future "Orders can take up to 1 year to ship. Delivery times are not guaranteed." They'll promise nothing.

I do not believe we would want that.

ebaytrader · February 25, 2009 11:25PM

I wonder if the Mint knows that PBGS isn't answering the phones anymore. You can't even check the status of an outstanding order on the web site.

Makes it somewhat difficult for peeps that don't use the web to order product.

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