E-bay seller Shoeless Joe ........Refund Received !!
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I'm having some trouble with Shoeless Joe on E-bay, It has been a few days now and I can not get him to respond to my E-mails. I know Neil(thedutymon) has also had some problems with this same seller.
My problem is, I won two auctions from Shoeless totaling over $120+ One card for $40 and one for $80 plus $6 shipping for both cards, A few days ago I received the $40 card in the mail, with .17 cents postage due !
I have yet to receive the $80 card and can't get him to respond to any E-mails regarding the whereabouts of the card. What should I do next ??
Should I file an item not received ?
I am pissed I had to give my mailman another .17 cents after being stuck in the but over shipping anyways. But I am even more pissed this POS wont tell me what is going on with the other card !
My problem is, I won two auctions from Shoeless totaling over $120+ One card for $40 and one for $80 plus $6 shipping for both cards, A few days ago I received the $40 card in the mail, with .17 cents postage due !
I have yet to receive the $80 card and can't get him to respond to any E-mails regarding the whereabouts of the card. What should I do next ??
Should I file an item not received ?
I am pissed I had to give my mailman another .17 cents after being stuck in the but over shipping anyways. But I am even more pissed this POS wont tell me what is going on with the other card !
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Barry was the 80.00 card cheap? I mean was it a 120.00 card that sold for 80.00?
This guy is a real snake.
The sad thing is he is covered since you probably paid via paypal and both transactions were combined.
Keep us posted as to how this works out.
Steve
Steve
Get his contact info from ebay and call the SOB.
<< <i>Sigh. RBDJR had a problem with this guy too.
Barry was the 80.00 card cheap? I mean was it a 120.00 card that sold for 80.00?
This guy is a real snake.
The sad thing is he is covered since you probably paid via paypal and both transactions were combined.
Keep us posted as to how this works out.
Steve >>
Yes Steve, it was a card he had a Bin on for $149 that he accepted an $80 offer for. Should I keep the envelope it came in since the Post office could probably still scan it and tell that he only had enough postage for less than one card ??
I wish everyone would just stop buying from Kevin Burge
and force him to just leave the hobby.
Not sure, I hope the weight angle will work in your favor.
Storm will hopefully chime in.
Sorry you have to go through this BS.
Steve
<< <i>You suck at trying to hide your address. >>
yeah, I noticed that, I guess the light from the scanner made it show up better than I thought.
in the envelope and you're screwed on the $80 card not rec'd.
He has so much crap, that I don't even think it'll phase him one bit
if he got a neg. I don't know how this is going to play out if you file
"Item not received" claim with PP. Good luck. He sucks....did I mention he sucks?
He sucks!
Nick
Reap the whirlwind.
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Isnt this turd on another message board somewhere ?
Wait for Storm, he will have good advice.
Also I'd do what Goose suggested and call this guy up.
Steve
And tell him he sucks for me. Next time we see him at a show spending
thousands on raw cards and lugging his briefcase on wheels with his
trimmer inside to take up to his hotel room, we're gonna rob him.
Steve
You have to believe others have had the same problem with the dirtbag, if paypal looks at the seller's complaint history they might tend to side with the buyer.
I would file either INR or SNAD, depending on what Storm suggests.
<< <i>Next time we see him at a show spending >>
Im certainly not condoning violence with this clown, but honestly, with this guys history, I am truly surprised someone hasnt kicked the crap out of him at a show. This dude is a piece of crap, I am hoping to move to Davidson NC (5 minutes from Mooresville) once my house sells, I might have to look into Mr. Burge when I get up there.
for this guy. He tried to scam a friend of mine for a little over $200. We told Burge
to refund him, or there was going to be some major sabotage on his auctions.
$200 was a drop in the bucket for him, and he thought it over and did refund my friend.
I don't think it's so much the money involved, but the practices that he chooses.
Ships when he wants to; doesn't ship; puts you on ignore; crappy services; used to
charge for insurance on top of s/h but you never see it on package, and so on.
<< <i>My wife the usps clerk says he paid $1.17 plus .18 for delivery confirmation, and that it would weigh between 1.1 and 2.0 ounces to get the .17 postage due. He could easily say the 2 cards in toploaders were in the bubble mailer and the weight would be ok at 2.0 or less.
You have to believe others have had the same problem with the dirtbag, if paypal looks at the seller's complaint history they might tend to side with the buyer.
I would file either INR or SNAD, depending on what Storm suggests. >>
Jim, I appreciate your help. The two cards were both slabbed cards though, and I just weighed two slabbed cards without a bubble mailer and they weighed exactly 3ozs.
<< <i> The two cards were both slabbed cards though, and I just weighed two slabbed cards without a bubble mailer and they weighed exactly 3ozs. >>
If they weighed 3 oz for 2 cards, and the package weighed 2.0 or less it should be pretty easy to prove your case with paypal. Since USPS weighed the package, and they obviously did to require the .17, usps already said it weighed less than 2.0. There couldn't have possibly been 2 slabbed cards in there.
Wait to see which way Storm says to go, then file. Then don't forget the feedback!
I only live 10 miles from Mooresville...if I need to take care of something....just let me know. As seen on the 1975 Cello Pack giveaway thread, I am currently unemployed and have some extra time on my hands
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"...Since USPS weighed the package, and they obviously did to require the .17, usps already said it weighed less than 2.0. There couldn't have possibly been 2 slabbed cards in there. ..."
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The postage/weight issue is a slamdunk on appeal to a live-person
with an OUNCE of sense, but the initial INR is a loser IF he uses the
DC# and LIES about the contents of the package.
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First, wait a little while.
Try to force the guy to respond:
1. You can file an INR thru EBAY - NOT PP - and see if he responds.
2. You can CALL him on the phone, BUT NOT if you are going to threaten
to cancel his ticket.
What you want to know - BEFORE you file your PP claim - is what he is
going to say. That may not be possible, if he does not respond to your
attempts to contact him; but, it is worth being a bit patient.
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There is a SLIM chance that he simply forgot to put the second card
in the pouch. When you have dozens of folks to send GARBAGE to
each day, you sometimes make mistakes. The fact that he has a
TERRIBLE REP does not mean that this case is a FRAUD attempt.
(Probably is, might not be.)
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If it comes to it.........
AFTER the INR is decided in his favor, you will file an appeal. It
should prevail, but may take a supervisor getting in the mix to
see what's up.
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Meantime, call your bank and ask if there is any fraud protection
on the payment method you used. IF you used a debit-card with
an MC/VISA logo, read your UA and see what they say; most have
FP. If the payment was STRAIGHT from a linked CA - without the
debit card - your bank may have some FP, but probably not. No
way to know, unless you ask.
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Recap:
Slow down and try to make the guy lock himself into his "story."
Get your evidence - the facts about the weight and the postage
due amount - written in a simple to understand paragraph.
Make sure you file within the PP time limit, but don't rush it.
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The avenues of messing with the guy are wide, if the results
are not in your favor.
www.ic3.gov needs to have the story.
The USPS needs a complaint in their file at his LOCAL station.
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I am "sure" a PP appeal would prevail, but if it did not, a BBB
complaint against PP would VERY likely result in a "courtesy
refund."
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The MAIN thing is - as has been determined HERE MANY times -
don't buy stuff from folks you already KNOW are SCUMMY.
"When in doubt, ask about."
By the way he is a banker so he can find that out easily.
Steve
Yes, I do work at a bank and I know we can file against un-authorized debit card transactions, I just dont know if this transaction would fall into that category or not.
I believe,as Storm does that if I can ever speak with a live rep from Paypal or E-bay and possibly E-mail them the photo of the bubble mailer with the postage amounts on it I should have a good case.
Thanks and we will see in the following days or weeks what transpires.
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Remember, EBAY will make NO finding in the matter.
They will just tell the seller to "work it out." The ONLY
reason to file with EBAY is to try to figure out what the
guy's story will be BEFORE taking the case to PP. (And,
often, a message from EBAY will encourage the seller to
solve the problem.)
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
DO NOT HAVE ANY CONVERSATIONS WITH HIM ON THE PHONE. He tries to resolve everything via email and phonecalls so that nothing can be tracked. Send all communications through eBay directly.
Just know that you will have to deal with him making false unpaid item claims against you as well.
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<< <i>Sigh. RBDJR had a problem with this guy too.
Barry was the 80.00 card cheap? I mean was it a 120.00 card that sold for 80.00?
This guy is a real snake.
The sad thing is he is covered since you probably paid via paypal and both transactions were combined.
Keep us posted as to how this works out.
Steve >>
Yes Steve, it was a card he had a Bin on for $149 that he accepted an $80 offer for. Should I keep the envelope it came in since the Post office could probably still scan it and tell that he only had enough postage for less than one card ?? >>
<< <i>I have an unopened package from him that was intentionally shipped at a lower weight as well that I'd he happy to send to you as additional proof that this is a repeated problem. >>
Wait a minute, *you* actually bought something from him?
If so, Hell has officially frozen over!
ps - how could any of you hear this eloquent sales recording and have any questions about this man's integrity? lol
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All items paid will have delivery/signature confirmation and insurance, it will NOT BE INSURED through the USPS, but by a local insurance company.
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Once again your items will not BE INSURED through the USPS, but by my local insurance complany!
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I USE A LOCAL INSURANCE COMPANY TO INSURE ALL MY PACKAGES SO YOU WILL NOT HAVE INSURANCE PROVIDED BY THE POST OFFICE. THEREFORE, I WILL PROVIDE A REFUND TO DAMAGED ITEMS IF NEEDED.
<< <i>Something else that pisses me off about this whole situation is that I paid an extra required $2 for insurance. Then I happen to read this Bull*hit from his item descriptions.....................
All items paid will have delivery/signature confirmation and insurance, it will NOT BE INSURED through the USPS, but by a local insurance company.
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Once again your items will not BE INSURED through the USPS, but by my local insurance complany!
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I USE A LOCAL INSURANCE COMPANY TO INSURE ALL MY PACKAGES SO YOU WILL NOT HAVE INSURANCE PROVIDED BY THE POST OFFICE. THEREFORE, I WILL PROVIDE A REFUND TO DAMAGED ITEMS IF NEEDED. >>
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His ala carte charges for "insurance" are an EBAY violation AND
a violation of the laws of NC.
He can be reported in NC, and they will halt his insurance biznez, unless
he is a licensed insurance company or an agent that writes SINGLE
policies on each transaction.
He is allowed to use the "private insurance" scheme, but he is NOT
allowed to charge an ala carte fee for it. (4SC uses the scheme within
the law, by INCLUDING the INS in the S+H price.)
Report Insurance Fraud In NC:
NC Insurance Commish
NC License Info
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The seller also continues to solicit money-orders and checks as
payment. (I never report such EBAY violations, UNLESS the seller
is involved in other CRIMES.)
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Based on ALL of the bad reports about the subject seller, he
really needs to be forced out of the biznez. Each time he SCAMS
a newbie, the future of the hobby/biz is harmed.
EDIT: fix link
I did not photoshop this pic, I assure you:
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ONLY if everything is paid for and owned free-and-clear.
Mortgages and car-payments are NOT signs of "success."
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
<< <i>"Looks like his Ebay gig is paying off decent enough:"
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ONLY if everything is paid for and owned free-and-clear.
Mortgages and car-payments are NOT signs of "success." >>
True..
But, he has to be making some decent money, somewhere, to pay the bills and travel as much as he does.
<< <i>I didnt realize that Ed Norton was a scummy card dealer. >>
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It does look just about like his twin.
<< <i>Is that your buddy STM? You seem to have some close up and personal pics there. Next thing we know, Burge will be here whining and it wont be hard to figure out who told him to stop by
Those pics are on his myspace page. You can see all of them if you click his pics section.
Personally, I don't know him, nor would I ever do business with him. And.... you are a tool for the comments you directed at me.
<< <i>Kevin Burge has multiple selling accounts...most registered in and around Moorseville...he has a string of fake Topps/Bowman buyback autos going on right now...his new "thing." >>
he sells fakes too? i thoght he just had very bad customer service
i think he is confused, or doesnt have a mirror.....he said on his page:
"Who I'd like to meet:
Muhammad Ali, Tiger Woods, JC, And all my distant relatives from the past! And of course the Great One The ROCK!"