Little saddened..........please read. EBAY

Blackie · February 2, 2009 8:44AM

I recently purchased a 58 Topps Brown rookie and recieved it today. By the looks of it, it has been resealed. I know the seller and he is a board member and won't mention names but what should I do. I wrote to him and am waiting on a response. I just can't understand why it wasn't listed describing that much. What should I do guys..................

rob

storm888 · February 2, 2009 8:48AM

Contact the seller AND give him a reasonable amount of time to respond.

lawnmowerman · February 2, 2009 8:48AM

You should post an auction link

Blackie · February 2, 2009 8:53AM

I don't want to give away the seller just yet. I thought it was a great deal and now I not sure. He is pretty known on the boards so i want to see if he will contact me via pm or the bay..........

IJustLoveCards · February 2, 2009 8:59AM

Link to auction......

Blackie · February 2, 2009 9:03AM

No here is the auction number. I wasn't gonna list it but the more i look at the holder the more i can tell it has been glued. Man this upsets me especially with a board memeber............ugh........ here is the number... 120369147103 It is a PSA 4MC but I seen it and wanted it for a low end set............ You can't tell by the scan but when i recieved the card I could tell immediately and my heart dropped.......

DrJ · February 2, 2009 9:05AM

Name names. We have had enough scam artists here lately. It is time to thin the flock!

BunchOBull · February 2, 2009 9:06AM

Geez, even the scan doesn't look so good...some MAJOR stress marks.

edited for spelling...if you must know, it was "so." Not really.

Blackie · February 2, 2009 9:10AM

Here is a scan. I put a manillia envelope behind it so you can see the frosted edges. When you look at the bottom it looks like beads of hot glue. when you hold it up to light you can see where the heat somewhat browned it..........

Blackie · February 2, 2009 9:11AM

Ok most of you guys who have been on the boards for years like myself know this guy. What should i tell him if he don't respond?

sfmays24 · February 2, 2009 9:11AM

Sorry to read about your disapointment, Rob

If you can, give the seller/board member at least a couple of days to reply & explain... I'm sure he will issue a refund.

Good luck!

Mike

bigwilli · February 2, 2009 9:12AM

I hope since its a board member , theres a good explanation or at least a easy resolution . Good luck

ndleo · February 2, 2009 9:14AM

Switching out PSA 4 MC? I can't believe that would even be worth it unless the switched card is worse.

Blackie · February 2, 2009 9:14AM

Thanks guys. He should respond. I didn't want to give his name out at this time but with all his transactions on the bay and the boards you would think he could have told the buyer. I paid immediately and was excited about getting a lower grade for the set.

psafan · February 2, 2009 9:15AM

Why not file a complaint with paypal? or contact Joe Orlando and have him pay the seller a visit

Blackie · February 2, 2009 9:16AM

ndleo I know. I don't think he done that I just think maybe he wanted to unload it and I was the sucker that took the bait. I know this guy though so thats what hurts.........

sagard · February 2, 2009 9:16AM

That card doesn't look bad at all to me. I would suspect tampering if the card was in a six or seven holder.

As it is the card looks like it matches the grade assigned.

Do you believe the card is an altered card or reprint?

I'm guessing this one will work out well for both you and the seller.

mtcards · February 2, 2009 9:19AM

Looks like a PSA 2 card to me. 4(MC) seems a little high for the condition, so i would say you have a god chance of there having been a switchout, although, it is possible, the seller wasnt the resealer.

Guess I could use the "glasses bigger", whatever that means.

Blackie · February 2, 2009 9:22AM

Guys the case has been glued or altered. I can tell. Wish i could send you pics of the edges etc. I can't believe this though. I know he knew especially if he has been dealing with PSA cards for as long as we all have. Im tying to calm down but I just couldn't beleive it..........

DrJ · February 2, 2009 9:24AM

Hopefully elsnorto will step up and address these acqusations.....

IJustLoveCards · February 2, 2009 9:26AM

Blackie,

I am sorry you are upset, lets give this person a chance to make good on this or at least respond to your concerns. I am sure it will be resolved to your satisfaction in the end.

Blackie · February 2, 2009 9:27AM

thanks Justin i hope so. Im trying to look up a phone number so i can call him. Guess years of being in the military have taught me to do some research.

PoppaJ · February 2, 2009 9:28AM

Hi Rob,

I hope everything works out okay for you and that the seller does what's right.

PoppaJ

goraiders · February 2, 2009 9:30AM

<< <i>Hopefully elsnorto will step up and address these acqusations..... >>

I wouldn't give it a second thought,Scott will come thru for you.He's a stand-up guy!

J.R.

Blackie · February 2, 2009 9:33AM

Thanks JR and poppa J. I just want a refund and money to ship the card back to him. Guess it just bothers me as I was looking to make another purchase from him this weekend on a card i was needing for a set. I have alot of faith in board members and trust alot of people. Guess that can sometimes be a downfall......

jamesgotpoorman · February 2, 2009 9:34AM

WinPitcher · February 2, 2009 9:36AM

Didn't Snorts write the book on grading companies?

I never realized El Snorto was Snorts.

Regardless if the card is low end the slab has been compromised and he should have know better.

I'll wait for his reply though before I make my final determination.

Sorry you are stressing over this.

Steve

Stingray · February 2, 2009 9:37AM

Case appears to have a crack to the left edge right below the flip. Tons of frosting. Seems like a waste to break open a 4MC card. Maybe he thought the original card deserved a higher grade if it was removed, not saying he did?? That card does not appear to fit that grade IMO.

Blackie · February 2, 2009 9:39AM

Your right Steve. Im waiting on him to respond. I do feel though that it is wise to let others know about sellers. We all make mistakes but dealing with things like graded cards and the holders is not something to overlook when selling in my opinion.

otwcards · February 2, 2009 9:40AM

I'm not taking sides here, but let's give this some consideration for a second. The auction image is clear, and it appears the holder is in solid condition. The card in both images (auction and received) appear to be the same card. The difference is the condition of the holder from the time the auction image was taken to the time the item was received.

Is it possible that the holder was damaged during shipping? Postal processing can create damage that will make the holder appear compromised. Oft times, as soon as someone sees some frosting, they jump to conclusions. I realize that there is more than just frosting on the received item, but let's pause and realize that it appears to be the same exact card from the holder that looked intact in the auction.

I've done several deals with Scott and seriously doubt that he would risk his reputation over a $100 sale. I'm guessing that the item may have been damaged during transit. I don't see a reason that a PSA 4 (MC) would be swapped out. The card definitely appears to be the same card.

swartz1 · February 2, 2009 9:46AM

I am trying to find out the problem...isnt that grade accurate for this card?

Blackie · February 2, 2009 9:47AM

I agree and i too have dealt with scott. It was packaged securely and no damage to the package was noticed. It was packed real well in bubble wrap and in a bubble mailer. Thats why I couldn't believe it. I looked at it and then called my wife in to look at it. Its definently resealed or glued. Scott more than likely didn't do it. Im not blaming him at all but I didn't purchase a resealed card and i just want what i purchased.

Blackie · February 2, 2009 9:48AM

Swartz I agree but if the holder was tampered he should have mentioned something right?

WinPitcher · February 2, 2009 9:48AM

Scott may be on to something, when it is cold plastic can do weired things.

Another concern is that the card should be graded OC not MC IMHO.

In any event, I think we all should err on the side of caution and allow Snorts to reply.

Also, and this is important (again IMO) the OP was adamant about NOT outing the seller at this time.

So what happens? Someone else does it for him. That IMO is lame. If this turns out to be an honest mistake
I'd be pissed.

Steve

swartz1 · February 2, 2009 9:51AM

I agree...but why start this thread without giving proper time to respond and rectify?

goraiders · February 2, 2009 9:51AM

I've done several deals with Scott and seriously doubt that he would risk his reputation over a $100 sale. I'm guessing that the item may have been damaged during transit. I don't see a reason that a PSA 4 (MC) would be swapped out. The card definitely appears to be the same card.

I agree,I've done plenty of deals with scott,never had a problem.

J.R.

Dboneesq · February 2, 2009 9:55AM

Blackie,

I mailed your '81 football today (58 cards). You should receive them in a few days. LMK when you get them.

WinPitcher · February 2, 2009 9:56AM

Swartz

Blackie is stressing and that is the reason this thread was created, he did say he did not want to out the person yet.

That IMO should have been honored. I'm guessing he wanted to get opinions on if the slab was in fact what he thought it was.

I dunno.

IMO the cold weather wreaked havoc on that slab.

It is the same card as the scan that is for sure, what I can't see is how it got the MC qualifier and not the OC.

Then again we just saw a 54 Mays with the same problem.

Steve

Blackie · February 2, 2009 9:57AM

I agree guys I just wanted your opinions on the matter. That is why i didn't mention the seller at first. He will probably contact me back. Again the package was not damaged and showed no signs of such. When you look at the holder up to the light you notice air bubbles that would be in hot glue. Upon futher inspection you notice a little browning on the plasitc as well. If this happens in transit then ive never seen it done in the hundreds of cards ive ever purchased.

Dboneesq · February 2, 2009 10:02AM

I don't think Blackie is saying it's not the same card that was in the scan nor is he saying that the seller switched the cards. He's just saying that it looks like the slab was opened by SOMEONE. Is it possible that the slab was dropped and it cracked open a little? Or like someone else on the board said, maybe the original submitter to PSA was going to crack it open for a resubmit and then changed his mind? I believe Blackie just does not like the idea of having a card that LOOKS like the slab was cracked open. If he wanted to sell the card it might be hard.

swartz1 · February 2, 2009 10:05AM

Can you really state that the card should be labeled OC not MC without seeing the back?

Blackie · February 2, 2009 10:07AM

Doug you read my mind. Thats all i was saying. I didn't start out to point fingers. I also know that this is not something Ive dealt with before. I have recieved a cracked case before and got it fixed. Im just saying this case looks to be resealed. Not saying the seller did it but just want to know if he knew or took the time to look it over before he sold it. I would have at least mentioned that this card looks to be resealed in the case in the description. That is if he noticed at all........don't know.

WinPitcher · February 2, 2009 10:09AM

Can you really state that the card should be labeled OC not MC without seeing the back?

No you can't.

Steve

Blackie · February 2, 2009 10:10AM

swartz here is the back. it is miscut

WinPitcher · February 2, 2009 10:13AM

Well that answers that question.

I dunno this is one of those things that will have us slapping the back of our knees
when we are told what really happened here.

(Not saying blackie is not being forthcoming)

Steve

otwcards · February 2, 2009 10:15AM

Based upon the front centering and knowing the card characteristics, I already figured it was a given that the back was miscut, so didn't feel the need to address it. I'm still amazed at how some know so much about things they know nothing about...

I'm sure Scott will contact you and work things out. Give him a chance before others here make a mountain out of a mole hill...

swartz1 · February 2, 2009 10:33AM

<< <i>Scott may be on to something, when it is cold plastic can do weired things.

Another concern is that the card should be graded OC not MC IMHO.

In any event, I think we all should err on the side of caution and allow Snorts to reply.

Also, and this is important (again IMO) the OP was adamant about NOT outing the seller at this time.

So what happens? Someone else does it for him. That IMO is lame. If this turns out to be an honest mistake
I'd be pissed.

Steve >>

maybe I misunderstood this reply then...

EarlsWorld · February 2, 2009 10:39AM

<< <i>That card doesn't look bad at all to me. I would suspect tampering if the card was in a six or seven holder.

As it is the card looks like it matches the grade assigned.

Do you believe the card is an altered card or reprint?

I'm guessing this one will work out well for both you and the seller. >>

The holder in Rob's scan is SO obviously compromised! The whole bottom of the holder is frosted and cracked out! I guarantee it! And it wasn't done by accident! It was very deliberate. The question again is WHY. What do you really gain from switching out a PSA 4 M/C in comparison to possibly ruining your reputation and losing your credibility in the Hobby? And to be thought of a SCAMMER? I hope there is a good explanation, especially for Rob's peace of mine and all who collect & sell here. Sorry for your troubles, Rob! I hope you get things worked out!

EARL

Allen · February 2, 2009 10:48AM

Maybe it got rolled through the sorter and the pressure busted the edges. I cannot see why anyone would crack and switch that card.

Blackie · February 2, 2009 10:51AM

Just waiting on him to respond and he will. Guess I could resend it in to be reholdered but if it came back as altered then ouch. Oh well Im a little calmer now as my as I started a board game with the kids. Thank you for your responses and i know myself and the seller can work it out. Maybe its a clue i should spend more time with the kids and less time on ball cards............

swartz1 · February 2, 2009 10:53AM

<< <i>Just waiting on him to respond and he will. Guess I could resend it in to be reholdered but if it came back as altered then ouch. Oh well Im a little calmer now as my as I started a board game with the kids. Thank you for your responses and i know myself and the seller can work it out. Maybe its a clue i should spend more time with the kids and less time on ball cards............ >>

stop saying stuff like that...my wife snoops around here sometimes...

Little saddened..........please read. EBAY

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