I would agree that MS 62 is a troublesome grade. It only seems like a viable grade when a 63 or 64 becomes cost prohibitive, but I never love the look of a 62 Morgan. MS60-61 is not even on my radar and I'd rather go AU58 than a low grade MS coin.
AU53 doesn't bother me as much and I'm happy there are no other AU grades other than 50, 55 and 58.
AU58 can be a great looking coin...
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PCGS graded this 1795 eagle AU-53, and I really have to agree with them. The coin has a lot of luster, and not much wear, but there are a lot of very small circulation marks. They don't amount to much, but together they leave me thinking, "This is better than an AU-50, but it's not really an AU-55. So AU-53 seems appropriate.
NGC graded this 1797 half dime AU-53. It's an old holder, and this case I might be included to call it AU-55. The flat eagle on the reverse is normal for the variety. Most coins of this variety could be MS-65, and the eagle would look just the same.
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53 was the first thing that came to mind when I read your thread title.
Most of the 53's I see are a 55 or 58 with something wrong, maybe not enough to call it a 'problem coin' but still a detriment. A light scratch, a big bonk, a rim bump, a ding, a knock, a big hit on the lady's cheek, whatever.
I've don't very often see a 53 I like, and when I do it is like an earlier poster said, a 50 with a little something special -- just a little more luster, a little more flash, a brilliant strike, nice freedom from marks or something. But it doesn't seem to happen that way very often.
I'm not bugged by any particular grade. What kind of bugs me is when a dealer gives a coin two grades. Like F/VF. You see this on ebay all the time. Well, which is it? It can't be both.
<< <i> Is there a particular grade that "bugs" you, in general? >>
......I guess it would have to be a 70 grades. Many coins and I realy mean many coins don't deserve a 70 grade.These coins may look really nice but somewhere down the road how can the older coins be better than the newer ones. Take that old 70 grade and compare it to the new 70 grade and see if there is a difference.I'm sure the new coin will be better struck better than the old.
: Is there a particular grade that "bugs" you, in general?commoncents123
In general, it is the 3rd grade that bugs me. I didn't care for my teacher when I was in it, and got poor grades. Now the 4th grade, I liked and I did much better.
AU 53 for me also. I always wonder what is wrong that the coin did not receive AU 55. Hard for me to believe that the graders could not decide between AU 50 and AU 55, so they gave it the AU 53. AU 53 normally sells for little more than AU 50, well below AU 55 money.
I collect Capped Bust series by variety in PCGS AU/MS grades.
I agree with the others that (usually) prefer 58's to 61's or 62's.
Sellers' grades don't bug me except when I don't agree with the grade they have assigned to the coin, which is fairly often, especially on raw coins.
I also hate it when dealers assign split grades to most of their raw coins, in an obvious attempt to wrench extra money out of suckers' hands for undeserving coins!
I'm also bugged by certain dealers who say things like "should be a XX" (the next grade higher) when hyping their slabbed coins!
End of rant....
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<< <i>AU50 and MS60 >>
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<< <i>MS60-61. I get the point of the grade though. A beat up coin with no signes of wear. Just an ugly POS. AU58s look much better >>
I agree on the 58's...my fav. grade
<< <i>I'm not bothered by MS60. Here are a couple that PCGS called MS60: >>
Nice..I wouldn't be bothered by those either ... although the 1830 seems to have some wear?
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MS60-61 is not even on my radar and I'd rather go AU58 than a low grade MS coin.
AU53 doesn't bother me as much and I'm happy there are no other AU grades other than 50, 55 and 58.
AU58 can be a great looking coin...
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Id rather have MS64 or worn VF.
NGC graded this 1797 half dime AU-53. It's an old holder, and this case I might be included to call it AU-55. The flat eagle on the reverse is normal for the variety. Most coins of this variety could be MS-65, and the eagle would look just the same.
Most of the 53's I see are a 55 or 58 with something wrong, maybe not enough to call it a 'problem coin' but still a detriment. A light scratch, a big bonk, a rim bump, a ding, a knock, a big hit on the lady's cheek, whatever.
I've don't very often see a 53 I like, and when I do it is like an earlier poster said, a 50 with a little something special -- just a little more luster, a little more flash, a brilliant strike, nice freedom from marks or something. But it doesn't seem to happen that way very often.
coins that are obviously not problem free.
this is the problem with the hobby right now to me.
i am not a big enough fool to fall for it.
as "about fine." So it's not fine, but it's not VG either.
Usually just don't look very good. I do some exceptions posted though.
Granted, many nice coins may be in holders of these grades, the numbers themselves I don't like. I can't explain why, but they just bother me.
except for this one
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http://www.pcgs.com/SetRegistr...dset.aspx?s=68269&ac=1">Musky 1861 Mint Set
The MS-60,61 & 62 are generally fugly and not worth the
premium for MS. I also dislike most AU- 50s as well as AU- 53s
and AU55s.
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<< <i> Is there a particular grade that "bugs" you, in general? >>
......I guess it would have to be a 70 grades. Many coins and I realy mean many coins don't deserve a 70 grade.These coins may look really nice but somewhere down the road how can the older coins be better than the newer ones. Take that old 70 grade and compare it to the new 70 grade and see if there is a difference.I'm sure the new coin will be better struck better than the old.
In general, it is the 3rd grade that bugs me.
I didn't care for my teacher when I was in it, and got poor grades.
Now the 4th grade, I liked and I did much better.
Ray
<< <i>AU53 bugs me for some reason. I simply cannot bring myself to love the grade. >>
I'll take a AU53 over a VF25 any day. It doesn't even matter what coin it is.
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Sellers' grades don't bug me except when I don't agree with the grade they have assigned to the coin, which is fairly often, especially on raw coins.
I also hate it when dealers assign split grades to most of their raw coins, in an obvious attempt to wrench extra money out of suckers' hands for undeserving coins!
I'm also bugged by certain dealers who say things like "should be a XX" (the next grade higher) when hyping their slabbed coins!
End of rant....
- Jim
and the above with CAN BE is why AU58 bugs me.
Ken