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braddick
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how you know this silver 'Trade Dollar' is a fake.
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The weight is good and it is coin silver (90%), but still...
<< <i>how you know this silver 'Trade Dollar' is a fake.
Like a child? No, no debasement today.
How long has the consigner had the coin? It's really not all that deceptive - is the owner a collector or inheritor?
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No, it's just crudely made. Look at the dentils from 4 to 6 o'clock. Uneven, not spaced correctly.
Miss Libs profile, face and nose is all wrong.
raised bumps under her forearm indicate casting bubbles.
Hand holding olive branch is poorly done.
Hmmmm, then again it might be real.
bob
I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment
BTW it is the Legend set.
Real one
The submitter is not a collector.
I shall print up this thread and package it up along with his 'coin' when I return it to him.
<< <i>raised bumps under her forearm indicate casting bubbles. >>
without checking this image against a known genuine piece, that was my first clue.
60 years into this hobby and I'm still working on my Lincoln set!
<< <i>The entire images (obverse/reverse) are 'spongy'... clearly not a mint product. Cheers, RickO >>
"Spongy" I like that! Here's hoping you've just coined a new numismatic term.
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<< <i>Wide rim and short denticles.
Reminds me of a buddy at work.
poorly done
compared to
TDNs coin
OK.
"Now see here Jr. The coin's a fake cause I say so & that's that!
Don't make me have to tell you this again or you'll be pulling this shoe
out your derriere! Got me? Go get a book and look it up! See that
berry in among the eagle's claw? Ahhh, never mind - there ARE some
Varieties that have that darned berry. Like I said ... it's FAKE cause I
say so - now, go play outside and don't bug me again!"
How's THAT!?
<< <i>Speak to you like a child?
OK.
"Now see here Jr. The coin's a fake cause I say so & that's that!
Don't make me have to tell you this again or you'll be pulling this shoe
out your derriere! Got me? Go get a book and look it up! See that
berry in among the eagle's claw? Ahhh, never mind - there ARE some
Varieties that have that darned berry. Like I said ... it's FAKE cause I
say so - now, go play outside and don't bug me again!"
How's THAT!?
Well, I was hoping more like I was a four year old child and you are a math teacher explaining addition and subtraction for the first time.
Given new parameters I may give it another shot later.
the mint makes coins by pressing a small metal disk between 2 dies - because of this, the flat part (field) should be very flat and smooth not pitted, rough or porous
the mint starts with a larger model and reduces it to coin size with a pantograph -> the letters (font) are a uniform size and placement
all coins of the series pretty much look the same - it is not like a painting
this coin was not made by the US Mint
- Jim
"The few areas that I have pointed out here should not look as though they are filling up with standing water. You should be able to see all the way to the bottom."
~patting on the head~ "Now, go see your Grandma for some milk & cookies...wait, I'm going with you."
"Keep your malarkey filter in good operating order" -Walter Breen
- Weak, irregular denticles on the obverse.
- Pitting from a bad casting under the right arm.
- No detail in the recessed areas of the obverse
- Messy, retooled denticles on the lower reverse.
- Generally mushy details, especially on the obverse.
Since the Chicom d**ksm**ks didn't do anything to punish them, Fang and Wang thought nothing of it and continued making trade dollars. But one day, a man named Jack Bauer showed up at their door. He bought a trade dollar and was not happy. He wanted to punish Fang and Wang. Fang answered the door, and Jack wanted to know where Wang and his equipment were. Fang didn't want to tell him. That was a mistake. It made Jack angrier. The first thing Jack did was immobilize Fang. That made Fang scream a little. Then Jack took the trade dollar he bought, shoved it up Fang's nose, and clipped a wire to it. He clipped another wire to Fang's genitalia. Then he connected the wires to a biiiiggg car battery. It made Fang move in funny ways. Poor Fang. It also made him say where Wang was. Jack was happy to see Wang. Wang was not happy to see Jack. He tried to run away, but tripped over a machine called a puunncch prrrressssss. Jack wanted to know who Wang was working for. He likes to ask that kind of question. Wang wouldn't tell him. Jack wanted to see how the punch press worked. Maybe it would be more effective than punching Wang himself. He put Wang's right hand in the punch press and punched each finger, one at a time. It made Wang scream even louder than Fang, but it didn't make him move as funny, so he tried the other hand. That didn't work, either. Jack found the dies used to make the trade dollars. They were big, heavy pieces of metal. He also found an anneeeaaaallling fuurrrrnace. He put the dies into the furnace until they were so hot they were orange! Then he tore down Wang's pants and shoved one die up his a**. It made Wang scream aaaannnddd move funny. Poor Wang. Jack decided they weren't worth his trouble anymore, so he damaged all the equipment in the room and left, but not before taking the $20 he paid for the coin out of Wang's wallet.
The End
NOW BE QUIET AND GO TO SLEEP!
Keeper of the VAM Catalog • Professional Coin Imaging • Prime Number Set • World Coins in Early America • British Trade Dollars • Variety Attribution
"Keep your malarkey filter in good operating order" -Walter Breen
Thanks!
<< <i>Ah, thanks guys.
The submitter is not a collector.
I shall print up this thread and package it up along with his 'coin' when I return it to him. >>
I honestly would be very careful when posting something on this thread. The consignor in question could be very upset, and anything we say can be used against us.
To base authenticity based on mere observations of a photograph is for the most part purely conjecture in my opinion.
I have the strange feeling that the OP is somewhat passing the buck. The coin is either authentic, or it is not, and I am not necessarily sure that the OP knows either. The best recourse at this time in my opinion is to have the coin sent back to the consignor with an opinion that the authenticity cannot be determined at this time and that such determination should be made my certain experts.
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This trade dollar is not a toy, may choke child.
May contain nuts
and the big one you forgot.....MADE IN CHINA!!!