Post your 1815 bust quarters, anyone out there?

Billet7 · January 19, 2009 2:35AM

Who has an 1815 quarter? Post em if you got em. Feel free to post any coins that dealers have also.
This seems to be a very hard coin to find problem free.
Mine is a bit dark, and a very low grade, but it is PCGS and a solid coin for the grade (G6) one day I will upgrade if the timing is right.

doh · January 19, 2009 2:43AM

My current:

Edited to add a much better picture:

I absolutely love the date. Like you said, Billet, very tough to find problem free. I like the crust of yours, very nice!

123cents · January 19, 2009 2:44AM

Here's the only one I have grade VG-8 by ANACS.

STONE · January 19, 2009 2:44AM

RTS · January 19, 2009 3:00AM

...a disappointing 1815 as it was badly cleaned especially the reverse - a regrettable purchase, sold it and forgot about it...

RichieURich · January 19, 2009 3:46AM

A difficult date to find nice, despite its R-1 rarity rating. Thanks to the posters!

Quarternut · January 19, 2009 4:15AM

An early die stage...

A later clashed die stage...

The mysterious countermarked "E"...

The mysterious countermarked "L"...

QN

robkool · January 19, 2009 4:20AM

I currently have one in a VF25 holder... I'll try to have a pic by tomorrow.

Johnp · January 19, 2009 4:41AM

I have not had one for over a year since I sold mine on the bay.

Billet7 · January 19, 2009 2:01PM

Some great 1815's thanks, Quarternut's stuff is amazing!

thisnamztaken · January 19, 2009 2:09PM

Here's mine. A PCGS F12

doh · January 20, 2009 1:22AM

Wow, 'Thisnamztaken,' me thinks you got robbed on your 1815 only being called a 12. Looks VF all day to me. Nice coin!

Edited to add: As usual, thank you to QN for showing us all up! Great pieces

abitofthisabitofthat · January 20, 2009 2:10AM

<< Wow, 'Thisnamztaken,' me thinks you got robbed on your 1815 only being called a 12. Looks VF all day to me. Nice coin!

Edited to add: As usual, thank you to QN for showing us all up! Great pieces >>

I would guess that it was net graded down a bit to reflect what looks to be pvc damage to the high points. Still a nice coin.

thisnamztaken · January 20, 2009 9:29AM

<< Wow, 'Thisnamztaken,' me thinks you got robbed on your 1815 only being called a 12. Looks VF all day to me. Nice coin! >>

I agree that the reverse is around VF20 and I think it's slightly under graded (should be F15) but I bought it already slabbed so knew what I was getting and think this date is tougher than most people realize (in VG10 or better), so picked it up.

WinLoseWin · January 21, 2009 3:24AM

Here is a lovely Gem 1815. The heavy wear, polished surfaces and plugged hole in no way detract from the overall beauty of the piece. Its historical importance cannot be overstated. Go ahead, just try to overstate it, we dare you.

(Oops! Guess I've read too many auction catalog descriptions over the years.)

robkool · January 23, 2009 4:07AM

VF25...

Quarternut · January 23, 2009 5:22AM

<< Here's mine. A PCGS F12 >>

<< VF25... >>

Gee...these sure look like the exact same grade coin to me...

I think everyone can see why we should not rely on TPG's to grade our coins. In fact, the one that is graded VF-25 has two hits above the cap and a possible scratch between star 8 & 9 that should make it less desirable (no offense to the poster, as it is still a nice coin) and should have been net graded a little lower IMHO.

QN

Billet7 · January 25, 2009 6:04AM

I agree with Quarternut...I think the F-12 is low, and the VF is high. I would still take either one of them! No seriously...let me know.

BaseballAbs · May 4, 2009 10:00AM

Here is my little PCGS G6 my brother found me on JJteaparty.

commoncents123 · May 4, 2009 10:32AM

I want an 1815...PM me if you're selling

BaseballAbs · May 6, 2009 12:18PM

Here is my other one.

BaseballAbs · May 6, 2009 12:23PM

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doh · August 27, 2009 12:26AM

A random bump for a cool, cool date. And check out QN's again...DAAAAAANG.

HoledandCreative · August 27, 2009 1:57AM

BaseballAbs · March 16, 2011 12:28PM

My new XF40

speety · March 16, 2011 12:44PM

Who likes the countermarks?

Billet7 · March 16, 2011 1:03PM

Here's my newer one.

Moldnut · March 16, 2011 1:23PM

PCGS F12 Amazing how the grading is all over the place on these.

Quarternut · March 16, 2011 6:44PM

Here's another one of mine...

And a little background:

VOTE THE LAND / FREE

This counterstamp/countermark is predominately found stamped on U.S. Large cents. This is the only known example found on any Bust coin.

While for many years it had been believed this stamp was somehow tied to the FREE SOIL PARTY in the presidential election of 1848, it is now thought to possibly be connected with the NATIONAL REFORM ASSOCIATION, which was formed in 1844.

This was a minor political party in the election of 1844 whose platform advocated the giving of free land to homesteaders, prohibiting the seizure of land for failure to pay debts, and “land limitation” to reduce the proportion of land controlled by the wealthy. In other words...VOTE THE LAND FREE.

(This and more info is available in both the Brunk counterstamp book & "United States Tokens" by Rulau.)

QN

Eagleguy · March 16, 2011 11:57PM

Some nice coins here!

My first one (VG8):

and my upgrade (VG10):

JH

Billet7 · March 17, 2011 12:58AM

<< PCGS F12 Amazing how the grading is all over the place on these.

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Agreed. Honestly I think mine's a weak Fine. I anticipated it coming back as a VG10. Yours on the otherhand was clearly net graded, because of the dig on the obverse. I would give it a 15 with a shot at 20 but for the mark...which is why it came back as a 12 IMHO.

I have also noticed that pieces of this date in lower grades tend to have weak banners. Other dates in VG and Fine grades usually have a full banner, but with the case of the 1815 they are usually half gone, even in grades as high as a 12, 15 or even 20! This makes me think that it was either weakly struck, or the topography of the coin lends it's self to different wear patterns than later years...possibly both. It's obvious that the 1815 has a different design than later years, probably due to having to redo the dies because of the mint fire in 1815-1816.

fishteeth · March 17, 2011 2:18AM

robkool · March 17, 2011 3:03AM

Due to the circumstances of the fire at the mint... The 1815 dated coins make them a mystery.
I do agree with the grading of these being all other the map.
Does anyone have these coins with a CAC sticker ??? I think some of these should easily sticker at CAC if this is the case.

BaseballAbs · March 17, 2011 3:13AM

<< Here's another one of mine...

And a little background:

VOTE THE LAND / FREE

This counterstamp/countermark is predominately found stamped on U.S. Large cents. This is the only known example found on any Bust coin.

While for many years it had been believed this stamp was somehow tied to the FREE SOIL PARTY in the presidential election of 1848, it is now thought to possibly be connected with the NATIONAL REFORM ASSOCIATION, which was formed in 1844.

This was a minor political party in the election of 1844 whose platform advocated the giving of free land to homesteaders, prohibiting the seizure of land for failure to pay debts, and “land limitation” to reduce the proportion of land controlled by the wealthy. In other words...VOTE THE LAND FREE.

(This and more info is available in both the Brunk counterstamp book & "United States Tokens" by Rulau.)

QN >>

That is one sweet find Steve. I would give my left.., well i would give something. Cool as heck coin, I would be curious to how you got your hands on it? I also would like frist dibs if it ever comes up for sale.

Eagleguy · March 17, 2011 5:58AM

<< Does anyone have these coins with a CAC sticker ??? I think some of these should easily sticker at CAC if this is the case. >>

The second one I posted has a bean.

JH

Moldnut · March 17, 2011 12:12PM

Q]Agreed. Honestly I think mine's a weak Fine. I anticipated it coming back as a VG10. Yours on the otherhand was clearly net graded, because of the dig on the obverse. I would give it a 15 with a shot at 20 but for the mark...which is why it came back as a 12 IMHO.

I have also noticed that pieces of this date in lower grades tend to have weak banners. Other dates in VG and Fine grades usually have a full banner, but with the case of the 1815 they are usually half gone, even in grades as high as a 12, 15 or even 20! This makes me think that it was either weakly struck, or the topography of the coin lends it's self to different wear patterns than later years...possibly both. It's obvious that the 1815 has a different design than later years, probably due to having to redo the dies because of the mint fire in 1815-1816. >>

Yes, I agree that they probably net graded mine. Im really not a big fan of net grading circulated coins though. We arent talking MS coins here, we are grading based on the amount of wear for circulated coins. If there is a problem beyond "normal" for a circulating coin, keep it out of the holders.

Also, the weak area you see on your 1815, I see even more so on the 1828 coins. I have seen this weakness even on high grades too, as its opposite the lower bust and has problems striking up.
This is also very common on the bust half coins too.

Patches · January 26, 2013 3:30AM

I thought I'd share my recent purchase from a retired poster here, "doh":

mozin · January 26, 2013 4:14AM

Patches has just what I want. Been looking for many years, but so far did not find an 1815 nice enough to buy.

stman · January 26, 2013 4:34AM

guitarwes · January 26, 2013 6:16AM

ex-Fishteeth, now guitarwes pedigree.

TennesseeDave · January 26, 2013 6:37AM

Patches that thing is beautiful.

Patches · January 26, 2013 9:55PM

Thank you TennesseeDave and I hope you find one soon, Mozin

Baley · January 27, 2013 3:14AM

<< Here's my newer one.

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<< PCGS F12 Amazing how the grading is all over the place on these.

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there are a lot of ways to make a certain grade in an early coin, details yes, but also accounting for strike and die state, cleanings and field digs and other circulation marks in the grade opinion, or whether or not to "genuine" it

Billet7 · January 27, 2013 3:24AM

Patches, that is a beautiful coin, I remember drooling over it when doh owned it. A similar coin is my eventual goal. So far I'm up to a nice VF25, I'll post it when I can...much nicer than my G6 that started this thread...long since sold.

TennesseeDave · January 27, 2013 3:34AM

Here's one.

Patches · January 28, 2013 10:59AM

<< Here's one.

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Very nice

Billet7 · January 28, 2013 12:12PM

Agree, thats a nice coin Dave.

123cents · January 28, 2013 12:14PM

Nice one Dave. Love the toning!

Billet7 · January 29, 2013 1:52AM

Here's my newest one, bought it RAW from Dave Finklestein (sp?) if memory serves.

Billet7 · January 29, 2013 1:53AM

Would you mind posting a reverse to your coin Dave?

Post your 1815 bust quarters, anyone out there?

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