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Modern day Hardtimes Token!

Well, this is what happens when I browse the web after work... I impulse buy...

I hope the physical medals look as good as the pics. I just couldn't pass up the symbolism - dcarr rocks!.

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    DUIGUYDUIGUY Posts: 7,252 ✭✭✭
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    “A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly."



    - Marcus Tullius Cicero, 106-43 BC
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    DNADaveDNADave Posts: 7,350 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I love it. so very true.
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    Itz a hard knock life!

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    TheRegulatorTheRegulator Posts: 1,244 ✭✭✭
    Hopefully you get banned for this. Take it elsewhere.



    << <i>Itz a hard knock life!

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    The Tree of Liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. -Thomas Jefferson
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    << <i>Hopefully you get banned for this. Take it elsewhere. >>



    Breakin' it down for the hard of unnerstannin':

    1. Little Orphan Annie was a comic strip about an orphan in depression era America. She was adopted by Daddy Warbucks, whose name is a play on capitalist war profiteering.
    2. Annie is a Broadway play based on the comic strip, which included the song "Hard Knock Life" sung by the orphans at the orphanage, complaining of their many deprivations.
    3. Rapper Jay-Z did his own cover of the Hard Knock Life song, subtitling it "Ghetto Anthem".
    4. The movie "Austin Powers in Goldmember" did a parody of the Jay-Z cover, featuring Dr. Evil and Mini-Me done up in "gangsta" prison styles, rapping for the other inmates.
    5. The graphic I posted below the title of that song features the face of George Bush superimposed on the Mini-Me character, and that of Dick Cheney on Dr. Evil, in a pose taken from the musical number from the film.

    If you fail to recognize the numerous layers of irony in my post above, then you have been missing out on a lot of popular culture, bud.

    edited to add something more
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    LotsoLuckLotsoLuck Posts: 3,786 ✭✭✭
    Thats great! where can I get one?????
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    dcarrdcarr Posts: 10,290 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Well, this is what happens when I browse the web after work... I impulse buy...
    I hope the physical medals look as good as the pics. I just couldn't pass up the symbolism - dcarr rocks!. >>



    Thanks !
    These were difficult to photograph. In this case, I do think they look better in-hand than in the picture.
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    JsayreJsayre Posts: 227 ✭✭
    I just ordered one for me and one for my dad. This will be a neat item to look back at 20 years from now!
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    << <i>Hopefully you get banned for this. Take it elsewhere.



    << <i>Itz a hard knock life!

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    Get bent! You are not the forum cop!

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    Awesome, thanks for pointing this out! image
    imageQuid pro quo. Yes or no?
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    tydyetydye Posts: 3,894 ✭✭✭
    Cool! I like it I just placed my order
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    relicsncoinsrelicsncoins Posts: 8,327 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I saw one in person last night. Cool to say the least.

    JJ
    Need a Barber Half with ANACS photo certificate. If you have one for sale please PM me. Current Ebay auctions
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    That is a Home Run!!

    Has Final Mintage been determined?

    Suggestion:

    Next Version, please turn Pyramid Upside Down with Point in Man's Back, keep his arms out spread just as is showing the Pain and holding up Donkey and Elephant as well.

    Keep all text as is (keep orientation of text, as is, like in the crude example below.)

    I know..I know.. everyone's a critic......"Hey Coinboy when you go out and buy a Mint Press you can do it your way, untill then shut up! ;>"

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    notwilightnotwilight Posts: 12,864 ✭✭✭
    Is the toned version available? --Jerry
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    edix2001edix2001 Posts: 3,388 ✭


    << <i>Is the toned version available? --Jerry >>



    got blotorch?
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    dcarrdcarr Posts: 10,290 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Is the toned version available? --Jerry >>



    I do have some toned ones available. I really like the way they look toned. But no two of them are alike.

    PS:
    Heat was not used to tone them.

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    dcarrdcarr Posts: 10,290 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>That is a Home Run!!

    Has Final Mintage been determined?

    Suggestion:

    Next Version, please turn Pyramid Upside Down with Point in Man's Back, keep his arms out spread just as is showing the Pain and holding up Donkey and Elephant as well.

    Keep all text as is (keep orientation of text, as is, like in the crude example below.)

    I know..I know.. everyone's a critic......"Hey Coinboy when you go out and buy a Mint Press you can do it your way, untill then shut up! ;>"

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    The only problem with the up-side-down pyramid version is that the "Debt" is seen weighing down on the Federal Reserve when, in fact, the Federal Reserve is actually the source of much of the crushing debt.
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    droopyddroopyd Posts: 5,381 ✭✭✭


    << <i>If you fail to recognize the numerous layers of irony in my post above, then you have been missing out on a lot of popular culture, bud. >>



    It's hard enough for some people to get from Point A to Point B even with a roadmap, a GPS, and someone feeding them directions! image
    Me at the Springfield coin show:
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    60 years into this hobby and I'm still working on my Lincoln set!
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    seemyauctionseemyauction Posts: 3,655 ✭✭
    I love the design, what metal is it struck in?


    dcarr your art continues to captivate the numismatic community.................
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    Sweet medal but it needs a date!
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    holeinone1972holeinone1972 Posts: 5,368 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Sweet medal but it needs a date! >>



    It has a date of 2008 on it.

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    PipestonePetePipestonePete Posts: 1,987 ✭✭✭✭✭
    What is the diameter of this token? I assume that it is cent size.
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    SWEET and meaningfull.
    I ordered one.
    "Everyday above ground is a good day"

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    zeebobzeebob Posts: 2,825 ✭
    The DC-Coins Website says, "39mm, Pure Copper, Satin Finish"

    Dcarr, don't suppose you have a photo or two of the toned version you could post here (or PM me)?

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    renman95renman95 Posts: 7,037 ✭✭✭✭✭


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    << <i>Well, this is what happens when I browse the web after work... I impulse buy...
    I hope the physical medals look as good as the pics. I just couldn't pass up the symbolism - dcarr rocks!. >>



    Thanks !
    These were difficult to photograph. In this case, I do think they look better in-hand than in the picture. >>



    dcarr, do you have a UHR in mind someday?
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    << <i>image >>



    The only problem with the up-side-down pyramid version is that the "Debt" is seen weighing down on the Federal Reserve when, in fact, the Federal Reserve is actually the source of much of the crushing debt. >>



    Exactly, the FED is the source....er..and the prime benefactor of the Debt, too! They don't even need a fractional reserve ratio, they just create the credits digitally and off to work WE go.

    I think if you turn the 'eye' and the seal right-side up, the point (no pun intended) that the Fed is almost an instrument of torture against the "Forgotten Man" with the donkey and the elephant exhorting even more pain is a wonderful analogy.
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    dcarrdcarr Posts: 10,290 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>image >>



    The only problem with the up-side-down pyramid version is that the "Debt" is seen weighing down on the Federal Reserve when, in fact, the Federal Reserve is actually the source of much of the crushing debt. >>



    Exactly, the FED is the source....er..and the prime benefactor of the Debt, too! They don't even need a fractional reserve ratio, they just create the credits digitally and off to work WE go.

    I think if you turn the 'eye' and the seal right-side up, the point (no pun intended) that the Fed is almost an instrument of torture against the "Forgotten Man" with the donkey and the elephant exhorting even more pain is a wonderful analogy. >>



    True, but I think the crushing weight of a pyramid (flat side) is torture enough !
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    dcarrdcarr Posts: 10,290 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>dcarr, do you have a UHR in mind someday? >>



    Perhaps yes, but it won't be St. Gaudens derivative.
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    SaorAlbaSaorAlba Posts: 7,593 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I must be getting good at recognizing Daniels work, I saw it as his before anything was said about it.
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    Type2Type2 Posts: 13,985 ✭✭✭✭✭
    That is a Nice one, Can you do one with a big fat banker with a cigar in his mouth counting his $$$ and a famliy geting kick out of there house. image


    Hoard the keys.
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    WinPitcherWinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭
    Very nice, I ordered one.


    Steve
    Good for you.
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    coinsarefuncoinsarefun Posts: 21,781 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>That is a Nice one, Can you do one with a big fat banker with a cigar in his mouth counting his $$$ and a famliy geting kick out of there house. image >>













    How about a big fat guy selling clothesimage



    Stefanie




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    edix2001edix2001 Posts: 3,388 ✭
    Here's an Hard Times Token-like coin club medal from a few years ago.
    Larry Lee had these done up for his coin club using some older hubs from the Gallery Mint Museum. I think he had Tim Grat do the die sinking.
    These were referred to as Lincoln Large Cents, since they're are large cent sized.
    The large Lincoln portrait was designed by Ron Landis and initially used for the 30th reunion of his high school class - Lincoln High (Denver!). class of '72. The counterstamped Lincoln portrait was designed by Ron as a 2005 DDO Lincoln cent, to memorialize the 50th anniv of the '55 DDO Lincoln, and was released as my personally suggested design, at the coin show in Houston during my club's 50th anniv year, and then with various other reverses during that year at different events.
    I'm not sure about where the reverse hub design element on this piece came from (perhaps one of Ron's 18th cent repros), but basing it on old HTT designs was a masterstroke of creativity in my mind.
    I have them in both silver and copper:
    2007 Anniversary Medal Set Lincoln Coin Club


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    dcarrdcarr Posts: 10,290 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Here's an Hard Times Token-like coin club medal from a few years ago.
    Larry Lee had these done up for his coin club using some older hubs from the Gallery Mint Museum. I think he had Tim Grat do the die sinking.
    These were referred to as Lincoln Large Cents, since they're are large cent sized.
    The large Lincoln portrait was designed by Ron Landis and initially used for the 30th reunion of his high school class - Lincoln High (Denver!). class of '72. The counterstamped Lincoln portrait was designed by Ron as a 2005 DDO Lincoln cent, to memorialize the 50th anniv of the '55 DDO Lincoln, and was released as my personally suggested design, at the coin show in Houston during my club's 50th anniv year, and then with various other reverses during that year at different events.
    I'm not sure about where the reverse hub design element on this piece came from (perhaps one of Ron's 18th cent repros), but basing it on old HTT designs was a masterstroke of creativity in my mind.
    I have them in both silver and copper:
    2007 Anniversary Medal Set Lincoln Coin Club


    image >>



    Neat piece. The obverse (large portrait) looks broadstruck. Was the obverse die smaller than the reverse die ?
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    edix2001edix2001 Posts: 3,388 ✭


    << <i>Neat piece. The obverse (large portrait) looks broadstruck. Was the obverse die smaller than the reverse die ? >>



    I'm not quite that sophisticated to know.
    But what I can say and show is that the obverse was originally designed for an upset rim planchet, as can be seen here:

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    and the reverse die had dentils built in, like so (different design):

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    So I don't know what effect that might have. And broadstruck translates into struck outside the collar, IIRC, so look at my own two pieces below. On the reverse, especially in the letters "CO" in COIN CLUB, there is a doubling of the image in the area of the counterstriking. I betcha the coin was counterstamped while sitting in the bottom die.


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    GritsManGritsMan Posts: 2,599 ✭✭✭
    Dan,
    Another great piece! I just looked at your website and have a question: will you be minting more kinds of 2009 Ameros than you have listed so far? I got a silver 25 Amero last year and would love to get another, but didn't see any. Thanks! Your work just gets more and more interesting.

    P.S. Are you using the new press to strike the Ameros, too?
    Winner of the Coveted Devil Award June 8th, 2010
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    I'll be on the lookout for silver 25 Ameros myself.
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    BlindedByEgoBlindedByEgo Posts: 10,754 ✭✭✭✭✭


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    << <i>If you fail to recognize the numerous layers of irony in my post above, then you have been missing out on a lot of popular culture, bud. >>



    It's hard enough for some people to get from Point A to Point B even with a roadmap, a GPS, and someone feeding them directions! image >>



    You forgot "both hands and a flashlight" image

    Take a chill pill, theRegulator image
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    dcarrdcarr Posts: 10,290 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Dan,
    Another great piece! I just looked at your website and have a question: will you be minting more kinds of 2009 Ameros than you have listed so far? I got a silver 25 Amero last year and would love to get another, but didn't see any. Thanks! Your work just gets more and more interesting.

    P.S. Are you using the new press to strike the Ameros, too? >>



    Thanks,

    Yes I'll be coming out with 25mm 25-Ameros in silver fairly soon. I'm going to get production going on the larger coins first, and then do the smaller coins.

    Yes, all 2009 Ameros will be struck on the Denver Mint coin press. The 2008 1/10 oz gold Ameros were also struck on the Denver Mint press (the only 2008 Ameros struck on that press). The 2008 Hard Times tokens are all being struck on the Denver Mint press too.

    I'm planning to stike almost everything I do, from now on, on the Denver Mint press. I'll be attempting to strike some large 63mm pewter medals on it soon (as soon as I can get the darn blanks).
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    lordmarcovanlordmarcovan Posts: 45,409 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Well, now, the flying pig is a great touch. I like it.

    Collector since 1976. On the CU forums here since 2001.

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    edix2001edix2001 Posts: 3,388 ✭
    When I was in Colorado Springs this past summer for ANA Summer Seminar, I bought a plastic winged pig from a shop downtown. It's for a car like one of those fish/Darwin hard plastic appliques.

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    "When monkees fly out of my ..."
    ~ Madonna, "Wayne's World - SNL"
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    dcarrdcarr Posts: 10,290 ✭✭✭✭✭
    "Circulated" version:
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    sumnomsumnom Posts: 5,963 ✭✭✭
    It took a while but I finally got the flying monkey reference.

    I ordered one, by the way!
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    << <i>It took a while but I finally got the flying monkey reference. >>



    I'm assuming Wizard of OZ. I think of the wicked witches soldiers chanting "All we own we owe her"

    I picked up 10 for friends that will enjoy them.
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    GritsManGritsMan Posts: 2,599 ✭✭✭
    Thanks for the replies, Dan! That is very cool that you are doing all of your own minting now, and I'm looking forward to the smaller Ameros.

    Oh, and I had just assumed that the flying pig was a reference to Pink Floyd's "Animals" album!
    Winner of the Coveted Devil Award June 8th, 2010
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    pmacpmac Posts: 3,189 ✭✭✭
    I just opened this thread and saw the modern 'so-called' dollar. I thought Dan Carr might have had a hand in its design. Reading on, I obviously was right. Great job, Dan. I'll be ordering one shortly. Thanks.
    Paul
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    dcarrdcarr Posts: 10,290 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The Donkey and the Elephant, squatting on (adding their weight to) the pyramid is symbolic of both political party's contribution to (and encouragement of) the average citizens' debt load.

    The flying monkey is symbolic of the distraction technique used by some to divert attention from the real souce (cuplrit) of the problem. "Woo, look at the flying monkey !" - big bad oil companies, greedy speculators, etc. etc. Nobody notices the "man behind the curtain" - the Federal Reserve which is really the culprit here and has as it's perpetual main focus the maximization of the collection of interest payments in all forms.

    The flying pig is symbolic of the chances that this will end well - "when pigs fly".

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    The DC I assume are for your initials but how bout the crescent moon ?

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