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Whew - Burglar foiled by alarm system
Fjord
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Usually posts like this contain a list of stolen items and a plea for help; fortunately the would-be burglar(s) were foiled by our home security system. Thank you Bay Alarm. Thank you also to Alameda's finest for their professionalism and rapid response time. By the time we arrived home ~30 mins later, they'd already searched our home, interviewed the neighbors, and accidentally set off the alarm a second time by opening our back door.
I don't have anything of awe-inspiring wealth in my home, the coins are all "widgets". Any widget of moderate value is kept in a safe bolted to the floor. Still, we have stuff like laptops and coins of low value that could be spent. In aggregate it'd hurt to lose them.
Noting was taken, we're out only the cost of a new window. I'll also be upgrading the security system should the original burglar or someone else get any funny ideas.
If you have coins or anything of value in your home, a security system is worth every cent. They're not that expensive, I think our monthly outlay is less than an average cable tv bill.
The networked fire alarm makes it worthwhile even if all of your coins are kept at the bank in a vault guarded by thick necked incorruptible men named Gunther. The panic alarm is great for the hopefully remote chance of a home invasion.
I don't have anything of awe-inspiring wealth in my home, the coins are all "widgets". Any widget of moderate value is kept in a safe bolted to the floor. Still, we have stuff like laptops and coins of low value that could be spent. In aggregate it'd hurt to lose them.
Noting was taken, we're out only the cost of a new window. I'll also be upgrading the security system should the original burglar or someone else get any funny ideas.
If you have coins or anything of value in your home, a security system is worth every cent. They're not that expensive, I think our monthly outlay is less than an average cable tv bill.
The networked fire alarm makes it worthwhile even if all of your coins are kept at the bank in a vault guarded by thick necked incorruptible men named Gunther. The panic alarm is great for the hopefully remote chance of a home invasion.
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Also I lost my homeowners insurance had to pay high dollars to Maryland state fund and finally after a 5 year stint I got lower insurance with better coverage. I learned the hard way.. Now my valuables are in the bank box and I have a disc of everything I own with receipts.
Lastly I have a 357 mag and a 9mm Beretta coocked and ready to see how they work on real flesh. My wife and son have a .38 cal hidden for their protection. I take my family to the range once a month for skill shooting. They always give me googlely eyes because I don't miss the head shots or heart shots at within 20 feet.
Glad to hear nothing was taken. These days with the world and the U.S. the way things are I bet you there will be more of this.
Do you know why you were targeted?
Since then, the humane society made me get rid of my pet alligators and the city changed building codes. I had to get rid of the moat and drawbridge, too. The bank gets $100. per year to keep my stuff, now.
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<< <i>You sir; are sick. I find it hard to believe that there are inbred gun nuts like you in the fine state of Maryland. I hope one day you are faced with the dilemma of having to use your sidearm. Then and only then will we find out if your bravado has even a little merit. With people like you it rarely does. >>
Crypto, All the best to you too.
I feel confident that Yaha is much more prepared for "the need to use a sidearm" than you are but I'd say the "nut" here is the a$$hole wishing ill will on another forum member.
--Jerry
<< <i>You sir; are sick. I find it hard to believe that there are inbred gun nuts like you in the fine state of Maryland. I hope one day you are faced with the dilemma of having to use your sidearm. Then and only then will we find out if your bravado has even a little merit. With people like you it rarely does. >>
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I think it's a bit much, is expensive, and our insurance didn't go down at all (we have Travelers) but I do have a sense of security, false or not, when we leave the house and activate the alarm. I think we have a sensor on every window and door and motion sensors on every floor. I really hope it never goes off.
<< <i>I guess I'm a inbred gun nut too!!!!! I prefer my Romanian AK though. >>
38, 45, 12 ga. are the first 3 in my reach from where I sleep. The slight chance that they are still twitching then, another 45, 38, 40, 357, and a AR-15 are close by. And don't even think about messin' with me in my truck.
The reason I carry and have guns isn't because I'M crazy, it's because of the crazy people ("nuts" as you call them crypto79) out there that might possible do harm to my family or myself.
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But are you sure there was even an attempted burglary, rather than a false alarm?
I take it because you mention there was a broken window, there must have been. Scary stuff.
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Does your alarm have the loud audible horn upon activation with the call to PD or just the call to PD? I've found the horn is the best way to go. Even without the auto PD call the horn tends to make the bad guys beat feat, plus it alerts all your neighbors.
<< <i>Since then, the humane society made me get rid of my pet alligators and the city changed building codes. I had to get rid of the moat and drawbridge, too.. >>
LOL, I want a moat and drawbridge!.
15-minutes later and the fascist's finest would have taken a report and then gone to dunkin donuts. There's a name for people who rely on Nazis to protect them: dead.
<< <i>You sir; are sick. I find it hard to believe that there are inbred gun nuts like you in the fine state of Maryland. I hope one day you are faced with the dilemma of having to use your sidearm. Then and only then will we find out if your bravado has even a little merit. With people like you it rarely does. >>
Typical response from a liberal gun grabber who would rather be a victim than defend himself or his family. Why don't you break into his house and find out.
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Very happy this turned out well for you, partucluarly due to your good forethought.
As the thread has twisted a bit, I'll just say that each numismatist or homeowner/head of household has to make decisions on personal protection. I know as I grew up in the 1960s we'd not really worry about whether the door was locked when we went to the grocery store, but times have changed. I respect all the decisions made here on whether or not to upgrade your personal security in any way. Choices like those are always the purview of each individual, and I'm just glad we can still make those choices.
Drunner
<< <i>You sir; are sick. I find it hard to believe that there are inbred gun nuts like you in the fine state of Maryland. I hope one day you are faced with the dilemma of having to use your sidearm. Then and only then will we find out if your bravado has even a little merit. With people like you it rarely does. >>
BTW my Non Friend they caught the guy that robbed/broke in my house and the two other homes down my country road. The sick twisted mindful loser also rape and beat up a 70+year old woman in front of her hubby that was in a wheel chair during his spree.
The criminal was let out of prison just 4 days prior to the day he broke in my house which was on Dec 20.
Shameful thing though as I live in the country the jerk was living in his grandmas house on the otherside of the forest of the Parks and Rec. So glad he didn't get a hold of any kids while he targeted my home, they have a lot of Boy Scouts and Girl Scouts that comb the woods.
My wife and daughter just left for church just 10 minutes earlier. There is a GOD!
As I was told by the detective that was on the trail of this loser this criminal was let out of prison. He was put there for Drug sales, rapes,and 2nd degree murder. NOW WHO'S WRONG ME OR SOME GREAT MIND LIKE YOURS 25 TO LIFE AND SPENDS 17 YEARS BEHIND BARS? Like what they should of did the first time this person will never see the light of day outside the walls of his tomb. GEEZE!
Lastly my non friend if you are ever voliated like my family was that day. Coins, Italian rare jewelry from Italy the good Gold, Tvs, clothes and a many other items broke and ramsacked and most of all OUR PEACE OF MIND was taken that day, I hope the way you think that it doesn't change your mind when a life changing altering personal voliation happens to you or your love ones. GOD forbid.
Furthermore I am not inbred. My father was from San Diego California and my mother was from New York "Yonkers" and they met in Chicago during a goodwill gathering for children of parents/soldiers that were lost in battle. I still have a clip of my mother giving kids Christmas presents in the last 1940's from the USO.
All of this for a Home alarm. Oh btw I just kiss my pistols and they smiled back at me and said George I got your back anytime.
My merit will be surreal one day my non friend. It will be one less scumb sucker off this earth that can't hurt anyone ever again.
There has been a huge rise in crime in my zipcode. So as always I do look over my shoulder, sideways, and if I could do a freakin hand stand I would look that way also.
Anyone ever come down my way and visit the famous Dr. Samuel Mudds house in Waldorf, Maryland, Pm me and I will buy you lunch heck I am a stones throw from history.
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<< <i>I apologize to everyone on this board. I go off on tangents some times. I do get disgusted by some of the stuff said as it represents a different ideology than mine which makes no sense to me. It has no place on a coin forum and I will just have to remember that a large part of the hobby is represented by people with conservative values who respect coins the same as people with liberal values. >>
I was going to go off until I read this apology. Seems fair. He IS allowed to be anti gun, (however silly and naive that may be) and apologized for his offensive BS attack, so I'll let it go.
I am now off to go pick up my new .38 since my waiting period is FINALLY over. Stupid California. Ten guns at home and I need to have a ten day cooling of period on a baby .38?
I will leave with a quote from one of my favorite podcasts: "If handguns cause crime....... mine's defective"
And to the OP: I'm very glad your alarm system worked. Though it is a shame it happened, it must be a great feeling knowing that the actions you took to protect your home worked!
<< <i>Well done.
Do you know why you were targeted? >>
No idea. I don't advertise that I collect coins, and anything readily valuable to an identity thief is in a safe.
We have a neighbor on one side with a no goodnik living in the back unit (I worry less about him and more about his even more no-goodnik friends) that might have been responsible. the police noticed a ladder against the fence and just a few moments ago I found a deep footprint in our raised bed garden against that same fence (albeit not right where the ladder was). the 'step' was forceful enough to damage the bamboo dividers on the garden. Maybe the perp climbed over the fence and landed in the garden, or fled over the fence once the alarm went off. The police recovered prints from the windowsill; assuming that they don't belong to the responding officer who understandably had to enter the home, this perp's goose may get cooked.
LordMarcovan asked:
<< <i>But are you sure there was even an attempted burglary, rather than a false alarm? >>
We are certain. We have a small fig tree supported by two wooden stakes, the perp pulled one up to smash in the window. Plus the planter bench the perp used to boost himself up to the window broke under his weight. I searched the remains of the planter bench for a shoe or some item of the perp's, but no such luck.
cladiator asked:
<< <i>Does your alarm have the loud audible horn upon activation with the call to PD or just the call to PD? >>
The alarm has both a signal to the police and a horn. The horn emits an earsplitting klaxon that sounds like the end of the world. I once accidentally set off the alarm when I was inside and it rattled my fillings. The thief was likely startled by this and ran off.
crito posited:
<< <i>15-minutes later and the fascist's finest would have taken a report and then gone to dunkin donuts. There's a name for people who rely on Nazis to protect them: dead. >>
Maybe your police are like this, I pity you if they are. Mine are not; they have been nothing but excellent public servants. You may be directing this at someone else, but just to be safe please don't make any assumptions on who I rely on for my own safety. In this case I wasn't home and therefore not in a position to protect my property beyond the alarm system. I was grateful that the police responded, much like I'd be grateful to the fire dept. if my home was on fire.
- Fjord.
<< <i>Although I wish harm on no one, especially members of this forum. I have found that the people most excited and "empowered" are the ones in the most need of it. It is not the mental state that is the problem it is the swing. The fear of the unknown/ low esteem often translates into panic at the most inopportune times and results in a flush of adrenalin that makes even the biggest guys almost completely combat ineffective. I do believe in the right to defend one's self but I draw the line differently then you and others. I would give everything I own not to have to shoot someone in front of my family as the mental scars of having someone die in front of them or in their house is not worth even an 1804 dollar or the like and much harder to recover from than a robbery. All it would take is for your loved ones to spend 15min waiting for the police while the guy you shoot stinks up your house after his bowels release and he cries for his life( unless you hit that brilliant head shot that I don't think you will get close enough to take) and you sit there shaking from the rush thinking I will have to spend the next year in court and might not ever sleep right again. For all I know you might be the meanest SOB that has ever walked but by the way you are talking I doubt it very much. The handful of guys who were really did want and look forward to putting holes in people put themselves in a position to do so. Every other person I have heard talk about it in a boastful manner was the same sort of man cares very much what people think but needs to be very careful on who he say it around. If I have you pegged wrong I am truly sorry. >>
Sorry, that is insincere drivel meant to rationalize your beliefs. You should probably keep them to yourself and quit posting in public where badguys read that you're a soft target (don't believe in self protection with weapons.). --Jerry
<< <i>I would give everything I own not to have to shoot someone in front of my family as the mental scars of having someone die in front of them or in their house is not worth even an 1804 dollar or the like and much harder to recover from than a robbery. >>
The problem here is that there's no way to be sure the bad guys will just take your 1804 dollar and leave- they might decide that they'd prefer there were no witnesses to the theft. I'd hope one had a convincing argument against that conclusion, but I'm pretty sure criminals aren't necessarily that easy to reason with.
I have had a home alarm for well over a decade even though we live in an almost crimeless neighborhood out in the sticks. I always felt more comfortable having the alarm rather than wait until we were broken into. I can tell you - if you have valuables in your home and value them, the peace of mind an alarm brings is well worth it. Not to mention the fact that it is less likely that you will feel violated if a break in occurs. My alarm has a loud audible signal (inside and outside) that is really annoying if set off. A call is also made to the monitoring center which follows a set notification procedure if the alarm is set off - ultimately the authorities are called. Also, if the smoke alarm or carbon monoxide detectors are set off, a separate set of notification procedures are initiated (another source of peace of mind).
In addition, our alarm can be set to protect the perimeter while at home. This feature is especially useful if my wife and family are home alone. In actuality, they don't use it that often now that we have several dogs for an alarm/protection.
If someone really wants into your home, there are few homes that can withstand a well planned assault. Yes, I know there are those that own firearms (I do as well) but I do not depend on them if my home were to come under attack. There are too many variables to account for to resist with deadly force (for example, element of surprise, number of perps, potential hostage situation, etc.) Anyway, you won't see me putting up too much of a fight if attacked - I prefer to outsmart them if possible.
If I was accosted at the front door by an armed scumbag, I have a few things set up for them. First, I always have a box of coins in the desk drawer that look expensive, but are not. Some new shiny proof moderns, a couple of old widgets, crap in 3rd tier slabs, tube of junk silver, etc. This way I can give the perp something - if I tell them everything is in the bank, they will not be happy. If I happen to have any of my decent coins at home, they are well hidden. Same goes for the wife's jewelry - the really nice stuff is in the bank or well hidden. The everyday stuff is in the conspicuous jewelry cabinet. Anything else of significant value is bulky, heavy, or will take time to move out - plus it is easily replaced.
I have been lucky - there has never been an attempt to break into my home. The alarm signs posted in the front and back yard probably have something to do with it. I hope I never have to make a decision to shoot someone in defense of my property.
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<< <i>I apologize to everyone on this board. I go off on tangents some times. I do get disgusted by some of the stuff said as it represents a different ideology than mine which makes no sense to me. It has no place on a coin forum and I will just have to remember that a large part of the hobby is represented by people with conservative values who respect coins the same as people with liberal values. >>
I was going to go off until I read this apology. Seems fair. He IS allowed to be anti gun, (however silly and naive that may be) and apologized for his offensive BS attack, so I'll let it go.
I am now off to go pick up my new .38 since my waiting period is FINALLY over. Stupid California. Ten guns at home and I need to have a ten day cooling of period on a baby .38?
I will leave with a quote from one of my favorite podcasts: "If handguns cause crime....... mine's defective"
And to the OP: I'm very glad your alarm system worked. Though it is a shame it happened, it must be a great feeling knowing that the actions you took to protect your home worked! >>
Like I said in your other thread, Eric. Go Ahead. Make My Day. Your posting of your firearm gift in the other thread comes off to me as coaxing the right person to challenge you.
I don't mind people having guns in their houses. I believe it's their right, and I don't give a hoot. However, when you present guns like that, it seems to me like you're challenging someone to a dare.
Also, get them & the system tested periodically. Mine was erroneously hooked up to a wrong number. I saw a bunch of people walking around my property at 2AM. Loaded a 30-06 & crouched down. Was scared; did not want to shoot anyone, but that's what I would have done if anyone came into my place. Heard a knock on the door. Said it was the police. I replied, "put a card underneath the door." He did, and boy, was I relieved.
And I chewed out the alarm company big time the next day about it. They fixed the problem immediately & haven't had any problems since.
BTW, anything of value is in the safety deposit box.
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<< <i>I apologize to everyone on this board. I go off on tangents some times. I do get disgusted by some of the stuff said as it represents a different ideology than mine which makes no sense to me. It has no place on a coin forum and I will just have to remember that a large part of the hobby is represented by people with conservative values who respect coins the same as people with liberal values. >>
I was going to go off until I read this apology. Seems fair. He IS allowed to be anti gun, (however silly and naive that may be) and apologized for his offensive BS attack, so I'll let it go.
I am now off to go pick up my new .38 since my waiting period is FINALLY over. Stupid California. Ten guns at home and I need to have a ten day cooling of period on a baby .38?
I will leave with a quote from one of my favorite podcasts: "If handguns cause crime....... mine's defective"
And to the OP: I'm very glad your alarm system worked. Though it is a shame it happened, it must be a great feeling knowing that the actions you took to protect your home worked! >>
Like I said in your other thread, Eric. Go Ahead. Make My Day. Your posting of your firearm gift in the other thread comes off to me as coaxing the right person to challenge you.
I don't mind people having guns in their houses. I believe it's their right, and I don't give a hoot. However, when you present guns like that, it seems to me like you're challenging someone to a dare. >>
I think you misinterpret. People who own guys and aren't afraid to use them generally don't have to if the badguys know that. They will always find a softer target. So when people seem outspoken about their weapons think of it as proactive crime prevention. When people respond that anyone who believes in self protection is and "inbred gun nut" then think of these respondants as a dot on the badguys target map. --Jerry
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Like I said in your other thread, Eric. Go Ahead. Make My Day. Your posting of your firearm gift in the other thread comes off to me as coaxing the right person to challenge you.
I don't mind people having guns in their houses. I believe it's their right, and I don't give a hoot. However, when you present guns like that, it seems to me like you're challenging someone to a dare. >>
LOL A dare? To who? For what? I posted it up along with my new buffalo nickel because I know a lot of the guys on here like guns too. What am I daring them to do? Steal from me? Fight me? Shoot me? What? I don't get it.
I have coins. I am not ashamed of that fact, nor competitive about it. I post them here cause people here like coins and talk about them frequently.
I have guns. I am not ashamed of that fact, nor competitive about it. I posted a picture of one here cause I know a lot of my coin buddies like guns too. I don't think posting a picture of a firearm is anymore challenging than posting a picture of my type set.
My apologies to anyone that felt "challenged" to a "dare" by the picture of my gun in my Christmas present thread.
Question to Fjord: Does your alarm system also notify YOU of a break in? For instance, if you are away on vacation, will you get a text message or call to your cell automatically to let you know the alarm went off? Or would your only contact be from the police after they investigated the tripped alarm?
I guess it's also good to hear that the Alameda Police actually did something relevant. I'm still not a fan of the department ever since about three years ago they issued me a citation (not a ticket or moving violation) while driving on Park Street that required a court appearance and a fine of $145. Apparently making U-turns in a car is unlawful and an expensive misdemeanor in Alameda.
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Like I said in your other thread, Eric. Go Ahead. Make My Day. Your posting of your firearm gift in the other thread comes off to me as coaxing the right person to challenge you.
I don't mind people having guns in their houses. I believe it's their right, and I don't give a hoot. However, when you present guns like that, it seems to me like you're challenging someone to a dare. >>
LOL A dare? To who? For what? I posted it up along with my new buffalo nickel because I know a lot of the guys on here like guns too. What am I daring them to do? Steal from me? Fight me? Shoot me? What? I don't get it.
I have coins. I am not ashamed of that fact, nor competitive about it. I post them here cause people here like coins and talk about them frequently.
I have guns. I am not ashamed of that fact, nor competitive about it. I posted a picture of one here cause I know a lot of my coin buddies like guns too. I don't think posting a picture of a firearm is anymore challenging than posting a picture of my type set.
My apologies to anyone that felt "challenged" to a "dare" by the picture of my gun in my Christmas present thread. >>
I accept your challenge to a duel. When do we meet?
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Our local police have been very good about responding. I called them when my mailbox was broken (kids with bats) and they actually found who did it and prosecuted them (the kids broke several of them in the neighborhood).
But like others here, I try to keep all of the good stuff in the bank.
<< <i>Usually posts like this contain a list of stolen items and a plea for help; fortunately the would-be burglar(s) were foiled by our home security system. Thank you Bay Alarm. Thank you also to Alameda's finest for their professionalism and rapid response time. By the time we arrived home ~30 mins later, they'd already searched our home, interviewed the neighbors, and accidentally set off the alarm a second time by opening our back door.
I don't have anything of awe-inspiring wealth in my home, the coins are all "widgets". Any widget of moderate value is kept in a safe bolted to the floor. Still, we have stuff like laptops and coins of low value that could be spent. In aggregate it'd hurt to lose them.
Noting was taken, we're out only the cost of a new window. I'll also be upgrading the security system should the original burglar or someone else get any funny ideas.
If you have coins or anything of value in your home, a security system is worth every cent. They're not that expensive, I think our monthly outlay is less than an average cable tv bill.
The networked fire alarm makes it worthwhile even if all of your coins are kept at the bank in a vault guarded by thick necked incorruptible men named Gunther. The panic alarm is great for the hopefully remote chance of a home invasion. >>
I agree with your statements re: the value of an alarm system 100%. I'm also very glad that you were not robbed of any valuable items.
As to home invasions, etc. I would add that home invaders are generally a totally different animal than day-time burglers. The former usually violent and expecting to confront the home's occupants, that latter generally (with many excpetions of course) not. Many home invaders will immediately cut the phone lines. Therefore, it is critical to have your cell phone in the home at all times and to have a cell or radio backup for your alarm system. These are not too expensive and are well worth it.
In addition to the fire alarm being tied into your security system, CO, flood and low temp. sensors (if you live where it gets sub-freezing) are great to have a well! We have flood sensors near the sump pump, hot water heater, fridge, washing machine, etc. These may well prevent major flood damage.
<< <i>You sir; are sick. I find it hard to believe that there are inbred gun nuts like you in the fine state of Maryland. I hope one day you are faced with the dilemma of having to use your sidearm. Then and only then will we find out if your bravado has even a little merit. With people like you it rarely does. >>
Another Maryland raised gun person here. My father used a handgun to shoot and kill an armed robber who had my mother by the throat with a gun to her head in 1982. As soon as the felon pointed the gun at my father, he shot and killed the robber. The second the robber pulled his gun, my father hit a silent hold-up alarm. Their store was only 8 blocks from Balto. City PD HQ, with most of the officers knowing my parents as it was a multi-generational business in Balto. for many, many years. The entire incident was over before the first BPD officer got there. BPD was thrilled with the outcome.
I've since become a serious shooting competitor, sworn Deputy Sheriff, a multi-certified law enforcement firearms instructor and am a graduate of many of the top shooting schools in the US. People who are totally uninformed about firearms, use-of-force, tactics and mind-set such as yourself only display your ignorance with such baseless statements.
A firearm, combined with proper training is a very, very effective security tool. Every LEO in the U.S. would not carry one if this were not the case.
<< <i>Old Alarm system still works fine >>
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<< <i>Although I wish harm on no one, especially members of this forum. I have found that the people most excited and "empowered" are the ones in the most need of it. It is not the mental state that is the problem it is the swing. The fear of the unknown/ low esteem often translates into panic at the most inopportune times and results in a flush of adrenalin that makes even the biggest guys almost completely combat ineffective. I do believe in the right to defend one's self but I draw the line differently then you and others. I would give everything I own not to have to shoot someone in front of my family as the mental scars of having someone die in front of them or in their house is not worth even an 1804 dollar or the like and much harder to recover from than a robbery. All it would take is for your loved ones to spend 15min waiting for the police while the guy you shoot stinks up your house after his bowels release and he cries for his life( unless you hit that brilliant head shot that I don't think you will get close enough to take) and you sit there shaking from the rush thinking I will have to spend the next year in court and might not ever sleep right again. For all I know you might be the meanest SOB that has ever walked but by the way you are talking I doubt it very much. The handful of guys who were really did want and look forward to putting holes in people put themselves in a position to do so. Every other person I have heard talk about it in a boastful manner was the same sort of man cares very much what people think but needs to be very careful on who he say it around. If I have you pegged wrong I am truly sorry. >>
Sorry, that is insincere drivel meant to rationalize your beliefs. You should probably keep them to yourself and quit posting in public where badguys read that you're a soft target (don't believe in self protection with weapons.). --Jerry >>
When I said this is not the place for gun talk I meant both sides. And your assessment of my status as a target means little Jerry. My whole point was not that having a gun made you a b1tch(it doesn't), it was that a lot gun owners are b1tches who think they are tuff and who are afraid of the world and use worst case scenarios to justify there paranoia. It is a completely different point but one I stand by.
I've read your subsequent posts, and this is a general reply to all of them. I grew up in a small town where hunting and gun ownership was accepted, but not necessarily encouraged. I never saw a handgun in my entire life until one day during my last year in high school, some punks pulled up beside me at a stoplight and waved a pistol at me. I was pretty scared.
Fast forward 40 years. I've never owned a gun nor have I carried a gun, but it's been my observation that my small city has had a rash of home invasions and robberies for about the past 10 years, and I'm sure that my town is safer than most. I know the source of the problem, but that's a whole different social issue.
In the past year, I've taken care to purchase guns for me and my family, and to get the necessary instruction & training in knowing how to defend ourselves against an unfortunate incident. We also got a home alarm system. I WILL make every move that I have to make, if my family is in danger.
Bravado, no. Smart, yes. And if anyone says that I don't have the right to my own and my family's self defense, they are not my friends. In that regard, I agree with George a full 1000%. My opinion is that we've gone too far in coddling the low-life creatins that prey on honest, hardworking people. Justice System? Think Bernie Madoff. There is none.
If someone is breaking into our house, I don't believe that I'd have the presence of mind to ask, "Pardon me, are you here simply to rob us, or do you actually intend to kill us too?" I'd rather be a living, facist nazi gun nut, than a sensitive and caring but dead liberal idiot.
I knew it would happen.
<< <i>Although I wish harm on no one, especially members of this forum. I have found that the people most excited and "empowered" are the ones in the most need of it. It is not the mental state that is the problem it is the swing. The fear of the unknown/ low esteem often translates into panic at the most inopportune times and results in a flush of adrenalin that makes even the biggest guys almost completely combat ineffective. I do believe in the right to defend one's self but I draw the line differently then you and others. I would give everything I own not to have to shoot someone in front of my family as the mental scars of having someone die in front of them or in their house is not worth even an 1804 dollar or the like and much harder to recover from than a robbery. All it would take is for your loved ones to spend 15min waiting for the police while the guy you shoot stinks up your house after his bowels release and he cries for his life( unless you hit that brilliant head shot that I don't think you will get close enough to take) and you sit there shaking from the rush thinking I will have to spend the next year in court and might not ever sleep right again. For all I know you might be the meanest SOB that has ever walked but by the way you are talking I doubt it very much. The handful of guys who were really did want and look forward to putting holes in people put themselves in a position to do so. Every other person I have heard talk about it in a boastful manner was the same sort of man cares very much what people think but needs to be very careful on who he say it around. If I have you pegged wrong I am truly sorry. >>
Crypto79-
Sorry if my reply to your note was a bit harsh. I had only read the post to which I responded, and not the others at the time of my response. I thought that you were just another thoughtless antigun activist and responded in kind.
Clearly you mean well and are thoughtful in your statements in the above post. Most armed professionals and well trained armed civilians are not looking for fight and, like an advanced martial arts practitioner, would MUCH rather avoid a fight than be in one. That said, if the fight comes to you, a loved one or an innocent a well trained practioner of defensive firearms use will have the mindset to not survive, but to win the confrontation decisively, definitively and quickly. Much of the training involved in defensive firearms use centers around the combat mind-set. In fact, many of the top tactical instructors correctly teach that the most important factors in winning a gunfight, in order, are: mind-set, tactics and lastly weapon selection.
I submit to you that one's family will be much more traumatized by watching their mother/sister raped and beaten than by watching their dad end the fight and save his family. I assure you that this is the case. Better to see the criminal bleed out on the floor than one's mom. Just ask the Physician who watched helplessly a year or two ago while his family was murdered in front of him, with only a child surviving in his home. Imagine the horror of what that child saw. Would the child be better off if his/her dad had shot the killers?
Lt. Col. David Grossman, Ret. is one of THE BEST instructors regarding the combat mind-set that I've ever had the good fortune to study under. He speaks of the sheep (the average civilian's mentality) the wolf (the average violent criminal's mentality) and the sheep dog (the LEO or well trained, armed civilian). Google Lt. Col. Grossman, look at who he instructs. This is a most instructive analogy. With all due respect sir, you are a sheep. Be thankful for the sheepdogs who wear the badge and are willing to go in harms way to keep you safe. Be thankful as well that there are well trained armed citizens out there who may someday do the same for you.
I can assure you that my mother and I are much better off today because of my father's decision to carry a gun and to be very well trained in it's use. My mom watched the robber bleed out on the floor in front of her. She is fine. Both she and my dad are alive as well. This would most likely not be the case if either was a sheep.
Regards, Ron
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LOL A dare? To who? For what? I posted it up along with my new buffalo nickel because I know a lot of the guys on here like guns too. What am I daring them to do? Steal from me? Fight me? Shoot me? What? I don't get it.
I have coins. I am not ashamed of that fact, nor competitive about it. I post them here cause people here like coins and talk about them frequently.
I have guns. I am not ashamed of that fact, nor competitive about it. I posted a picture of one here cause I know a lot of my coin buddies like guns too. I don't think posting a picture of a firearm is anymore challenging than posting a picture of my type set.
My apologies to anyone that felt "challenged" to a "dare" by the picture of my gun in my Christmas present thread.
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It wasn't so much the picture of the gun, as the statement that you got it if anyone tried to steal your coin.