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My daughter's Christmas Present Ships to PCGS Tomorrow. 1922 D Peace $1. Grade in--I confused?

fcloudfcloud Posts: 12,133 ✭✭✭✭
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Grade received.

Okay -- Pick it apart to let me know why this graded "Genuine (98 - Damage or Tooling)"


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    DIMEMANDIMEMAN Posts: 22,403 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Hard to tell from pic. Between 58 and 62 to me. Is this to her or from her?
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    fcloudfcloud Posts: 12,133 ✭✭✭✭
    To her. She like the toned stuff more than any other in the group to which I give coins for Christmas.

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    ksteelheaderksteelheader Posts: 11,777 ✭
    I'm going 64 shot 65.
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    YaHaYaHa Posts: 4,220 ✭
    PCGS 63 at the most. GOod Luck.
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    fcloudfcloud Posts: 12,133 ✭✭✭✭
    Its off!

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    TennesseeDaveTennesseeDave Posts: 4,929 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Back of the neck looks double struck.Did you notice that?
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    fcloudfcloud Posts: 12,133 ✭✭✭✭
    Yes. I din't sent in for vams and don't even know if it is one of the top vams.

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    halfhunterhalfhunter Posts: 2,770 ✭✭✭
    May I ask a question here, if not too personal?
    Why are you putting what looks, from the picture, to be an average UNC generic Peace Dollar in expensive plastic?

    Regards,

    John
    Need the following OBW rolls to complete my 46-64 Roosevelt roll set:
    1947-P & D; 1948-D; 1949-P & S; 1950-D & S; and 1952-S.
    Any help locating any of these OBW rolls would be gratefully appreciated!
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    fcloudfcloud Posts: 12,133 ✭✭✭✭
    Simply for the kids.

    President, Racine Numismatic Society 2013-2014; Variety Resource Dimes; See 6/8/12 CDN for my article on Winged Liberty Dimes; Ebay

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    halfhunterhalfhunter Posts: 2,770 ✭✭✭
    I still don't understand . . . but that's OK.

    Always a pleasure to see a naturally toned Peace!
    Think that toning may have been from an album?

    Regards,

    John
    Need the following OBW rolls to complete my 46-64 Roosevelt roll set:
    1947-P & D; 1948-D; 1949-P & S; 1950-D & S; and 1952-S.
    Any help locating any of these OBW rolls would be gratefully appreciated!
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    EvilEmpireEvilEmpire Posts: 390 ✭
    halfhunter, please don't think I am ragging on you as to your question 'Why....?' It's easy...it'll be slabbed for HER...it'll be HER slab....it'll be worth WAY more in sentimental value, but that's 'Why....?' Very cool thing to do, fcloud!

    edited to add: TennesseeDave...good call, I see that neck thing going on, also...perhaps a tiny angle shows it?

    Grade: MS62
    1922-D MS62 price, your daughters submitted coin? Priceless!
    I'll come up with something, eventually.
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    fcloudfcloud Posts: 12,133 ✭✭✭✭
    Okay -- Pick it apart to let me know why this graded "Genuine (98 - Damage or Tooling)"

    President, Racine Numismatic Society 2013-2014; Variety Resource Dimes; See 6/8/12 CDN for my article on Winged Liberty Dimes; Ebay

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    RampageRampage Posts: 9,699 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Looks like there may be some damage behind the eagle on the reverse. Look between the third and fifth rays above ONE.
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    PawPaulPawPaul Posts: 5,845 ✭
    looks like someone took a chisel to the back of her neck
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    golfer72golfer72 Posts: 3,588
    Looks like a 63 to me. Show me a 1922 coin that is not damaged. Love to see it.
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    robkoolrobkool Posts: 5,934 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Large gash on the eagle's neck, and around the rays near "dollar"... They sure were picky with this Peace $.
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    RWBRWB Posts: 8,082 ✭
    Look behind the eagle about midway between ONE and PLURIBUS. There appear to be many scratches and/or tool marks that I don’t think are on any recognized varieties.
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    GoldenEyeNumismaticsGoldenEyeNumismatics Posts: 13,187 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Look behind the eagle about midway between ONE and PLURIBUS. There appear to be many scratches and/or tool marks that I don’t think are on any recognized varieties. >>



    I think that's just an intense patch of die polish.

    Is that a scratch running the length of the back of Liberty's neck?
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    fcloudfcloud Posts: 12,133 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>Look behind the eagle about midway between ONE and PLURIBUS. There appear to be many scratches and/or tool marks that I don’t think are on any recognized varieties. >>



    I think that's just an intense patch of die polish.

    Is that a scratch running the length of the back of Liberty's neck? >>



    I'll have to look once it comes back; although, I think it is die bounce.

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    coinkatcoinkat Posts: 24,600 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Okay...

    Look on the rear neck line and follow that up to the base of the hair.

    That neck line seems to have some type of tooling redefining that line and I believe that is the tooling and the problem the PCGS graders saw and what they did here seems right

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    messydeskmessydesk Posts: 20,883 ✭✭✭✭✭
    First thing that I can think of is the patch of apparent scratches behind the eagle. You also might want to look closely to see if there is any sign of a carbon spot being scraped off the surface.
    John
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    BubbleheadBubblehead Posts: 1,621 ✭✭✭
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    Just pulled out my '22. She has an identical doubling look behind her neck. Maybe it's
    normal? Those rev crosshatch scratches on the rev look like someones attempt to
    dremmel away hairlines...

    Oh, oh... My '23 also exhibits that "step" behind her neck...?? Jmmm> But, not my 22-S?

    Interesting.... Her mouth does not look exactly like mine, either. I guess I'd better shuddap..
    A guy could get carried away...kinda like seeing things in a haunted house...

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    19Lyds19Lyds Posts: 26,524 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>

    << <i>Look behind the eagle about midway between ONE and PLURIBUS. There appear to be many scratches and/or tool marks that I don’t think are on any recognized varieties. >>



    I think that's just an intense patch of die polish.

    Is that a scratch running the length of the back of Liberty's neck? >>



    I'll have to look once it comes back; although, I think it is die bounce. >>



    I would expect "die bounce" that extreme to have been displayed somewhere else on the coin.
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    ProofArtworkonCircsProofArtworkonCircs Posts: 4,223 ✭
    <<Look on the rear neck line and follow that up to the base of the hair.

    That neck line seems to have some type of tooling redefining that line and I believe that is the tooling and the problem the PCGS graders saw and what they did here seems right >>

    This coin definitly has a hub 1 reverse and I believe the obverse is also hub 1.
    I can't tell for sure what is going on from the picture, but it is normal for the neck line to be outlined by an incuse line and that incuse line is emphasized somehow on hub 1. Maybe it was the hub that was tooled.

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    pursuitoflibertypursuitofliberty Posts: 7,959 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I agree with RWB ... it's the area above the Eagles back on the reverse. Some kind of cleaning or abrasion (whizzing?),
    probabaly to remove a carbon spot or something ... looks to have even slightly diminished the ray it surrounds






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    IrishMikeIrishMike Posts: 7,737 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I agree with RWB ... it's the area above the Eagles back on the reverse. Some kind of cleaning or abrasion (whizzing?),
    probabaly to remove a carbon spot or something ... looks to have even slightly diminished the ray it surrounds >>



    Looks obvious once it got pointed out.
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    abitofthisabitofthatabitofthisabitofthat Posts: 2,142 ✭✭✭
    I think that it is the big hit on the obverse above Liberty's ear. I do wish PCGS would separate damage from tooling in their codes. Very different things. It makes you look for too much on the coin. No tooling and the coin is not messed with. Just too big of a hit in the center of the obverse to slab. Pretty coin, though.

    merse

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    abitofthisabitofthatabitofthisabitofthat Posts: 2,142 ✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>I agree with RWB ... it's the area above the Eagles back on the reverse. Some kind of cleaning or abrasion (whizzing?),
    probabaly to remove a carbon spot or something ... looks to have even slightly diminished the ray it surrounds >>



    Looks obvious once it got pointed out. >>



    Just die polish to me.

    merse

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