Explain this one SGC defenders

lsutigers1973 · December 13, 2008 7:47AM

I frequent the net54 board occassionally and love reading the PSA bashing threads from the SGC defenders. Just got this card in the mail today. Was part of a lot from eBay and basically paid nothing for it so not mad about it. Came with three rather low pop PSA 10 Maddux cards for $17. Someone tell me how this card still landed in a SGC 98 GEM holder with this centering not to mention chipping on right back border.

donrus · December 13, 2008 7:54AM

hmmmm..
don

otwcards · December 13, 2008 7:57AM

I'm still unsure why people, especially those that know as much as some on these boards, are still so lost when it comes to what is acceptable for a GEM MINT card. Have you folks reviewed the standards for back centering? Directly from PSA's description:

The image must be centered on the card within a tolerance not to exceed approximately 55/45 to 60/40 percent on the front, and 75/25 percent on the reverse.

Yes, there is some chipping on the reverse, but nothing worse than I've seen on my share of PSA 10's.

I'm not going to bash or protect either side, but I really am growing tired of the us versus them and them versus us attitude, especially when points that are made are factually INCORRECT!

fattymacs · December 13, 2008 8:03AM

SGC guidelines make no mention in regards to the card back. You could email for a full explanation.

ldferg · December 13, 2008 8:05AM

is this within SGC tolerance for a 98? psa is like 75/25 on the reverse for a 10.

otwcards · December 13, 2008 8:07AM

<< SGC guidelines make no mention in regards to the card back. You could email for a full explanation. >>

Not true. From SGC's website:

Centering: Tolerances are allowed for centering but must be within 5% of the standard and should not detract from the overall eye-appeal of the card. Back centering is less critical than front centering and a tolerance of upto 10% in excess of the front standard is allowed.

I should know. I wrote the SGC standards for publication around 1998 or 1999...

StanTheManMusial · December 13, 2008 8:10AM

<< I'm still unsure why people, especially those that know as much as some on these boards, are still so lost when it comes to what is acceptable for a GEM MINT card. Have you folks reviewed the standards for back centering? Directly from PSA's description:

The image must be centered on the card within a tolerance not to exceed approximately 55/45 to 60/40 percent on the front, and 75/25 percent on the reverse.

Yes, there is some chipping on the reverse, but nothing worse than I've seen on my share of PSA 10's.

I'm not going to bash or protect either side, but I really am growing tired of the us versus them and them versus us attitude, especially when points that are made are factually INCORRECT! >>

I have to agree.

By the way, I have seen PSA 10s with the same issues. All of the "big 3" grading companies have strong and weak points, when it comes to card grading. Buy the card, not the holder, no matter if it's PSA, SGC, or BGS.

julen23 · December 13, 2008 8:10AM

i have bought some really nice sgc cards over the years.

no problems here.

j

lsutigers1973 · December 13, 2008 8:18AM

Wasn't really referring to the "them vs us" mentality. Just thought it was way too far OC to be considered a GEM. I have seen plenty of PSA 10 cards that are OC on the back either T/B or L/R. I have just never seen any card from the "Big 3" that are OC in both directions and still slabbed as GEM's, and again not even mentioning the chipping.

sagard · December 13, 2008 8:19AM

Is it a 98 or a 98/10? SGC didn't really care about centering when they first started grading cards.

lsutigers1973 · December 13, 2008 8:28AM

Front centering is 55/45 L/R, not that I'm nitpicking or anything.

IchiroDeported · December 13, 2008 8:34AM

seems to be within the guidelines. and the holder looks great

dizzle · December 13, 2008 8:44AM

Any pixel gurus know the exact centering of this card?

MBMiller25 · December 13, 2008 8:48AM

Maybe because I was just getting into the hobby in 1987-88 but I love those 88 Fleer.

fattymacs · December 13, 2008 8:49AM

Scott, I just read the guidelines I didn't read the stuff below the numerical explanations , thanks for the clarification.

StanTheManMusial · December 13, 2008 8:50AM

Granted, it's a mini, but you get the point.

StanTheManMusial · December 13, 2008 8:53AM

Here's the back on a McGwire PSA 10.

otwcards · December 13, 2008 8:57AM

Hmmm, it seems that the PSA crew is actually sticking up for this grade, too. That should confirm what I stated about there really being little wrong with the grade. Again, I'm not trying to be an apologist or anything, just sticking to the facts and knowing the guidelines.

To use a common phrase that was used in the grading room, supplating the overused "eye appeal" copout, the card is "market acceptable" in that holder and in that condition.

ahkmedbinladen · December 13, 2008 9:03AM

I could use a little just collect spam right about now

StanTheManMusial · December 13, 2008 9:03AM

I'm not bashing or defending any of the "big 3". I'm playing it straight down the middle, while keeping it real. I do like all 3 companies for different reasons.

MeteoriteGuy · December 13, 2008 9:04AM

Ugly SGC 98.

Buy the card.....and the holder.

StanTheManMusial · December 13, 2008 9:05AM

<< I could use a little just collect spam right about now >>

If your comment was at me, it was uncalled for. I was just using their scans as examples, and have no relationship with them in any way.

stevek · December 13, 2008 9:11AM

<< I frequent the net54 board occassionally and love reading the PSA bashing threads from the SGC defenders. Just got this card in the mail today. Was part of a lot from eBay and basically paid nothing for it so not mad about it. Came with three rather low pop PSA 10 Maddux cards for $17. Someone tell me how this card still landed in a SGC 98 GEM holder with this centering not to mention chipping on right back border.

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Don't post anything negative about SGC over at Net54 - they'll have a heart attack.

stevek · December 13, 2008 9:13AM

<< 

<< I frequent the net54 board occassionally and love reading the PSA bashing threads from the SGC defenders. Just got this card in the mail today. Was part of a lot from eBay and basically paid nothing for it so not mad about it. Came with three rather low pop PSA 10 Maddux cards for $17. Someone tell me how this card still landed in a SGC 98 GEM holder with this centering not to mention chipping on right back border.

>>

Don't post anything negative about SGC over at Net54 - they'll have a heart attack. >>

Especially since a number of the "regulars" over there were bammed from CU. LOL

lsutigers1973 · December 13, 2008 9:25AM

<< Don't post anything negative about SGC over at Net54 - they'll have a heart attack. >>

That sure sounds like fun. think I may do that.

I am starting to think that maybe the centering on the back is one of the allowances that varies from set to set and year to year.

fattymacs · December 13, 2008 9:39AM

Don't post anything negative about SGC over at Net54 - they'll have a heart attack. >>

Especially since a number of the "regulars" over there were bammed from CU. LOL

It is likely you will get a reply or ten, or get called out as a troll and asked not to post any longer. Either way it makes neither board look any better.

CrimsonTider · December 13, 2008 9:46AM

is Mitch webster allowed over there?

rube26105 · December 13, 2008 9:59AM

is stumpy the midget pirate still over there???, i typed something here that would have changed the world, and now my cat made me forget, i have when that happens

,them stumpy midgets

gotta watch out boo ko0- # 10 g.i.

lawnmowerman · December 13, 2008 10:23AM

<< # 10 g.i. >>

lsutigers1973 · December 13, 2008 10:44AM

I had to do it. Now just waiting on the responses.

Net54 Thread

WinPitcher · December 13, 2008 10:55AM

Bill no need for that.

Steve

lsutigers1973 · December 13, 2008 10:55AM

They already ruined my fun. One of the elder statesmen from the eBay board already called me a troll. I've been called worse.

nightcrawler · December 13, 2008 10:56AM

"Didnt you get your answer on the PSA boards??? Seems you are just trying to stir up trouble as this back centering issue was addressed already on the PSA boards."

EDIT TO ADD: Worth a try.

IchiroDeported · December 13, 2008 11:08AM

well you made someone mad over there...

"I can possibly understand people who troll video game message boards or music message boards...that can often be chalked up to the special brand of obnoxiousness the users have in their teenage years.

Trolling a baseball card board, however, takes a special brand of loser - the Edsel of trolls, as it were."

You shall ever be called the edsel of Trolls.

nightcrawler · December 13, 2008 11:11AM

Blackborder · December 13, 2008 11:11AM

lsutigers1973 · December 13, 2008 11:13AM

<< Trolling a baseball card board, however, takes a special brand of loser - the Edsel of trolls, as it were." >>

Can't wait to get to 10000 posts here so I can change my title to Edsel.

stevek · December 13, 2008 11:14AM

I never heard of the guy Ed Sel before - I guess he was a troll.

lawnmowerman · December 13, 2008 11:17AM

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nightcrawler · December 13, 2008 11:25AM

"Edsel of trolls"

Kinda sounds like some kind of important title, like The Duke of York or something, ha ha.

WinPitcher · December 13, 2008 11:28AM

maybe you should create a thread over at the SGC boards too. I'm sure someone might see it.

Steve

Blackborder · December 13, 2008 11:29AM

The larger photo brings out his Klingon cranial plate more clearly.

fattymacs · December 13, 2008 11:46AM

A few might see a post on the SGC Boards, I check it every-other day. I haven't posted in quite sometime.

TheHun · December 13, 2008 12:22PM

<< I'm still unsure why people, especially those that know as much as some on these boards, are still so lost when it comes to what is acceptable for a GEM MINT card. Have you folks reviewed the standards for back centering? Directly from PSA's description:

The image must be centered on the card within a tolerance not to exceed approximately 55/45 to 60/40 percent on the front, and 75/25 percent on the reverse.

Yes, there is some chipping on the reverse, but nothing worse than I've seen on my share of PSA 10's.

I'm not going to bash or protect either side, but I really am growing tired of the us versus them and them versus us attitude, especially when points that are made are factually INCORRECT! >>

looks pretty much like the rest of the 10s

fkw · December 14, 2008 10:16AM

card is designed to be slightly offcenter, just match the front and back of the cards pictured.

Its MINT (common for new stuff, so pay accordingly

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fkw · December 14, 2008 10:19AM

PS Please........No need to mess with a "Good" vintage message board unless you actually collect Old Cards (Net54).

New stuff come here, old stuff go there, dont compare

Dented1 · December 14, 2008 10:26AM

As if there's never been any questionable PSA10s.

Mistakes happen. Yes, even at PSA. To suggest otherwise is laughable.

julen23 · December 14, 2008 11:12AM

tell count chocula i said "wut up dude..."

j

mealeworm · December 14, 2008 11:56AM

News flash.... PSA 9's can have slight wax stains on back too. Maybe you should know your facts before you start bashing grading standards.

Dave

lsutigers1973 · December 14, 2008 12:00PM

I thought this thread had passed on to greener pastures.

TravelingWilbury · December 14, 2008 12:39PM

but dude your the Edsel of trolls!

Explain this one SGC defenders

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