Explain this one SGC defenders

lsutigers1973

I frequent the net54 board occassionally and love reading the PSA bashing threads from the SGC defenders. Just got this card in the mail today. Was part of a lot from eBay and basically paid nothing for it so not mad about it. Came with three rather low pop PSA 10 Maddux cards for $17. Someone tell me how this card still landed in a SGC 98 GEM holder with this centering not to mention chipping on right back border.

donrus

hmmmm..
don

otwcards

I'm still unsure why people, especially those that know as much as some on these boards, are still so lost when it comes to what is acceptable for a GEM MINT card. Have you folks reviewed the standards for back centering? Directly from PSA's description:

The image must be centered on the card within a tolerance not to exceed approximately 55/45 to 60/40 percent on the front, and 75/25 percent on the reverse.

Yes, there is some chipping on the reverse, but nothing worse than I've seen on my share of PSA 10's.

I'm not going to bash or protect either side, but I really am growing tired of the us versus them and them versus us attitude, especially when points that are made are factually INCORRECT!

fattymacs

SGC guidelines make no mention in regards to the card back. You could email for a full explanation.

ldferg

is this within SGC tolerance for a 98? psa is like 75/25 on the reverse for a 10.

otwcards

<< <i>SGC guidelines make no mention in regards to the card back. You could email for a full explanation. >>



Not true. From SGC's website:

Centering: Tolerances are allowed for centering but must be within 5% of the standard and should not detract from the overall eye-appeal of the card. Back centering is less critical than front centering and a tolerance of upto 10% in excess of the front standard is allowed.

I should know. I wrote the SGC standards for publication around 1998 or 1999...

StanTheManMusial

<< <i>I'm still unsure why people, especially those that know as much as some on these boards, are still so lost when it comes to what is acceptable for a GEM MINT card. Have you folks reviewed the standards for back centering? Directly from PSA's description:

The image must be centered on the card within a tolerance not to exceed approximately 55/45 to 60/40 percent on the front, and 75/25 percent on the reverse.

Yes, there is some chipping on the reverse, but nothing worse than I've seen on my share of PSA 10's.

I'm not going to bash or protect either side, but I really am growing tired of the us versus them and them versus us attitude, especially when points that are made are factually INCORRECT! >>



I have to agree.

By the way, I have seen PSA 10s with the same issues. All of the "big 3" grading companies have strong and weak points, when it comes to card grading. Buy the card, not the holder, no matter if it's PSA, SGC, or BGS.

julen23

i have bought some really nice sgc cards over the years.

no problems here.

j

lsutigers1973

Wasn't really referring to the "them vs us" mentality. Just thought it was way too far OC to be considered a GEM. I have seen plenty of PSA 10 cards that are OC on the back either T/B or L/R. I have just never seen any card from the "Big 3" that are OC in both directions and still slabbed as GEM's, and again not even mentioning the chipping.

sagard

Is it a 98 or a 98/10? SGC didn't really care about centering when they first started grading cards.

lsutigers1973

Front centering is 55/45 L/R, not that I'm nitpicking or anything.

IchiroDeported

seems to be within the guidelines. and the holder looks great

dizzle

Any pixel gurus know the exact centering of this card?

MBMiller25

Maybe because I was just getting into the hobby in 1987-88 but I love those 88 Fleer.

fattymacs

Scott, I just read the guidelines I didn't read the stuff below the numerical explanations , thanks for the clarification.

StanTheManMusial

Granted, it's a mini, but you get the point.

StanTheManMusial

Here's the back on a McGwire PSA 10.

otwcards

Hmmm, it seems that the PSA crew is actually sticking up for this grade, too. That should confirm what I stated about there really being little wrong with the grade. Again, I'm not trying to be an apologist or anything, just sticking to the facts and knowing the guidelines.

To use a common phrase that was used in the grading room, supplating the overused "eye appeal" copout, the card is "market acceptable" in that holder and in that condition.

ahkmedbinladen

I could use a little just collect spam right about now

StanTheManMusial

I'm not bashing or defending any of the "big 3". I'm playing it straight down the middle, while keeping it real. I do like all 3 companies for different reasons.

MeteoriteGuy

Ugly SGC 98.

Buy the card.....and the holder.

StanTheManMusial

<< <i>I could use a little just collect spam right about now >>



If your comment was at me, it was uncalled for. I was just using their scans as examples, and have no relationship with them in any way.

stevek

<< <i>I frequent the net54 board occassionally and love reading the PSA bashing threads from the SGC defenders. Just got this card in the mail today. Was part of a lot from eBay and basically paid nothing for it so not mad about it. Came with three rather low pop PSA 10 Maddux cards for $17. Someone tell me how this card still landed in a SGC 98 GEM holder with this centering not to mention chipping on right back border.

>>



Don't post anything negative about SGC over at Net54 - they'll have a heart attack.

stevek

<< <i>

<< <i>I frequent the net54 board occassionally and love reading the PSA bashing threads from the SGC defenders. Just got this card in the mail today. Was part of a lot from eBay and basically paid nothing for it so not mad about it. Came with three rather low pop PSA 10 Maddux cards for $17. Someone tell me how this card still landed in a SGC 98 GEM holder with this centering not to mention chipping on right back border.

>>



Don't post anything negative about SGC over at Net54 - they'll have a heart attack. >>




Especially since a number of the "regulars" over there were bammed from CU. LOL

lsutigers1973

<< <i>Don't post anything negative about SGC over at Net54 - they'll have a heart attack. >>



That sure sounds like fun. think I may do that.

I am starting to think that maybe the centering on the back is one of the allowances that varies from set to set and year to year.

fattymacs

Don't post anything negative about SGC over at Net54 - they'll have a heart attack. >>




Especially since a number of the "regulars" over there were bammed from CU. LOL


It is likely you will get a reply or ten, or get called out as a troll and asked not to post any longer. Either way it makes neither board look any better.

CrimsonTider

is Mitch webster allowed over there?

rube26105

is stumpy the midget pirate still over there???, i typed something here that would have changed the world, and now my cat made me forget, i have when that happens
,them stumpy midgets
gotta watch out boo ko0- # 10 g.i.

lawnmowerman

<< <i># 10 g.i. >>

lsutigers1973

I had to do it. Now just waiting on the responses.

Net54 Thread

WinPitcher

Bill no need for that.


Steve

lsutigers1973

They already ruined my fun. One of the elder statesmen from the eBay board already called me a troll. I've been called worse.

nightcrawler

"Didnt you get your answer on the PSA boards??? Seems you are just trying to stir up trouble as this back centering issue was addressed already on the PSA boards."





EDIT TO ADD: Worth a try.

IchiroDeported

well you made someone mad over there...

"I can possibly understand people who troll video game message boards or music message boards...that can often be chalked up to the special brand of obnoxiousness the users have in their teenage years.

Trolling a baseball card board, however, takes a special brand of loser - the Edsel of trolls, as it were."

You shall ever be called the edsel of Trolls.

nightcrawler

Blackborder

lsutigers1973

<< <i>Trolling a baseball card board, however, takes a special brand of loser - the Edsel of trolls, as it were." >>



Can't wait to get to 10000 posts here so I can change my title to Edsel.

stevek

I never heard of the guy Ed Sel before - I guess he was a troll.

lawnmowerman

<< <i> >>

nightcrawler

"Edsel of trolls"


Kinda sounds like some kind of important title, like The Duke of York or something, ha ha.

WinPitcher

maybe you should create a thread over at the SGC boards too. I'm sure someone might see it.

Steve

Blackborder

The larger photo brings out his Klingon cranial plate more clearly.

fattymacs

A few might see a post on the SGC Boards, I check it every-other day. I haven't posted in quite sometime.

TheHun

<< <i>I'm still unsure why people, especially those that know as much as some on these boards, are still so lost when it comes to what is acceptable for a GEM MINT card. Have you folks reviewed the standards for back centering? Directly from PSA's description:

The image must be centered on the card within a tolerance not to exceed approximately 55/45 to 60/40 percent on the front, and 75/25 percent on the reverse.

Yes, there is some chipping on the reverse, but nothing worse than I've seen on my share of PSA 10's.

I'm not going to bash or protect either side, but I really am growing tired of the us versus them and them versus us attitude, especially when points that are made are factually INCORRECT! >>





looks pretty much like the rest of the 10s

fkw

card is designed to be slightly offcenter, just match the front and back of the cards pictured.


Its MINT (common for new stuff, so pay accordingly )

fkw

PS Please........No need to mess with a "Good" vintage message board unless you actually collect Old Cards (Net54).

New stuff come here, old stuff go there, dont compare

Dented1

As if there's never been any questionable PSA10s.

Mistakes happen. Yes, even at PSA. To suggest otherwise is laughable.

julen23

tell count chocula i said "wut up dude..."

j

mealeworm

News flash.... PSA 9's can have slight wax stains on back too. Maybe you should know your facts before you start bashing grading standards.

Dave

lsutigers1973

I thought this thread had passed on to greener pastures.

TravelingWilbury

but dude your the Edsel of trolls!