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  • garsmithgarsmith Posts: 5,894 ✭✭
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  • << <i>It appears that anyone can just come along and delete or change
    anything that has been "posted". Is there some means to prevent
    this?

    I'm just concerned vandals I guess.

    Wikepedia has some modern bashing under their entry for coin and
    I was always tempted to get in and repair it. >>



    Sam,
    The quality of numismatic articles on Wikipedia leaves a lot to be desired,&,besides,their naming conventions suck to the max.I once wrote an article titled 'Coins of South Africa' & an article titled 'Coins of the South African Republic'.Some idiot went along & split off the pre-decimal coin section of 'Coins of South Africa' & merged it into 'Coins of the South African Republic' with a title of 'Coins of the South African pound'.The decimal coin section was retitled as 'Coins of the South African rand'.

    I have always been a very strong advocate of capitalising currency units & denominations,just like in Krause - Chatham Islands Dollar & Pakistan 1996 10 Paisa coin.

    As for banknotes,each issuer's issues will be getting separate articles,& they will include signature charts,which is something that is missing from the Pick catalogues.

    Aidan.
  • I think I'll hold on to my CU shares a little longer now. Might even double down. Wish they would have picked a better URL though. Maybe something like wikiforcoins.com .
  • WindycityWindycity Posts: 3,558 ✭✭✭✭✭
    This is a great idea. Like VAM World, this allows everyone to contiribute images of coins as references for the collections of all. I think it will be great for variety coins such as doubled dies, over dates, repunched mint marks, etc.
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  • RWBRWB Posts: 8,082
    Just an opinion --

    The presumption should be that anything you post, including images, becomes the property of Collectors Universe and they assume copyright. Further, I would expect CU to be able to use your material any way they wish without compensation or acknowledgement.

    As far as accuracy is concerned, it's likely to be very spotty, as with the original "encyclopedia" on the web. Unless CU installs people with appropriate credentials to read and validate submissions, it will quickly degenerate into the same morass of mediocrity so prevalent on the web. (Sites like VAM World succeed because they are closely monitored.)
  • RWB,
    I agree with you that the encyclopaedia should be closely monitored,as we don't need any spammers posting their junk,which is a huge problem up on Wikipedia.

    I don't collect American coins,but I am one who wants to educate collectors,both experienced & inexperienced,in relation to world coins - specifically British Commonwealth coins.

    Aidan.
  • WindycityWindycity Posts: 3,558 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Most likely the site will be users monitored. CU will look to all of us to alert them to errors, problems, etc.
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  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,401 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Just an opinion --

    The presumption should be that anything you post, including images, becomes the property of Collectors Universe and they assume copyright. Further, I would expect CU to be able to use your material any way they wish without compensation or acknowledgement. >>

    That sounds like a reasonable assumption at the moment. Hopefully this will be clarified.

    << <i>As far as accuracy is concerned, it's likely to be very spotty, as with the original "encyclopedia" on the web. Unless CU installs people with appropriate credentials to read and validate submissions, it will quickly degenerate into the same morass of mediocrity so prevalent on the web. (Sites like VAM World succeed because they are closely monitored.) >>

    The CoinFacts Board of Experts is listed as supporting the site. Perhaps they, with the proper staffing, can take responsibility for the accuracy of the content.
  • sumnomsumnom Posts: 5,963 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Just an opinion --

    The presumption should be that anything you post, including images, becomes the property of Collectors Universe and they assume copyright. Further, I would expect CU to be able to use your material any way they wish without compensation or acknowledgement.

    As far as accuracy is concerned, it's likely to be very spotty, as with the original "encyclopedia" on the web. Unless CU installs people with appropriate credentials to read and validate submissions, it will quickly degenerate into the same morass of mediocrity so prevalent on the web. (Sites like VAM World succeed because they are closely monitored.) >>



    As much as I like the wiki idea and I enjoy wikipedia greatly, the issues RWB has raised will keep me from contributing to the coin wiki. All the same, good luck and godspeed to you all and I wish the project all possible success.
  • dpooledpoole Posts: 5,940 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>Just an opinion --

    The presumption should be that anything you post, including images, becomes the property of Collectors Universe and they assume copyright. Further, I would expect CU to be able to use your material any way they wish without compensation or acknowledgement.

    As far as accuracy is concerned, it's likely to be very spotty, as with the original "encyclopedia" on the web. Unless CU installs people with appropriate credentials to read and validate submissions, it will quickly degenerate into the same morass of mediocrity so prevalent on the web. (Sites like VAM World succeed because they are closely monitored.) >>



    As much as I like the wiki idea and I enjoy wikipedia greatly, the issues RWB has raised will keep me from contributing to the coin wiki. All the same, good luck and godspeed to you all and I wish the project all possible success. >>



    Ah, comom, Sumnon. Add some of your considerable knowledge. Let's see where it goes. Good things may happen.
  • TexastTexast Posts: 1,899 ✭✭✭✭
    This has given me an outlet for the many PCGS slabbed coins pictures I have taken over the past few years. I agree that the security on the site needs to be upgraded, It would be better if each person were to be approved by a moderator before being allowed to edit or post. Another idea is to protect the pictures so that they can not be copied with a simple right click of the mouse, I would prefer that the pictures are not stolen and used by scammers on ebay.

    Another question also, I have noticed some NGC stuff on the site, I was under the assumption they were looking for the PCGS slabbed coins, Is NGC stuff ok on the site?
    On BS&T Now: Nothing.
    Fighting the Fight for 11 Years with the big "C" - Never Ever Give Up!
    Member PCGS Open Forum board 2002 - 2006 (closed end of 2006) Current board since 2006 Successful trades with many members, over the past two decades, never a bad deal.
  • sumnomsumnom Posts: 5,963 ✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>

    << <i>Just an opinion --

    The presumption should be that anything you post, including images, becomes the property of Collectors Universe and they assume copyright. Further, I would expect CU to be able to use your material any way they wish without compensation or acknowledgement.

    As far as accuracy is concerned, it's likely to be very spotty, as with the original "encyclopedia" on the web. Unless CU installs people with appropriate credentials to read and validate submissions, it will quickly degenerate into the same morass of mediocrity so prevalent on the web. (Sites like VAM World succeed because they are closely monitored.) >>



    As much as I like the wiki idea and I enjoy wikipedia greatly, the issues RWB has raised will keep me from contributing to the coin wiki. All the same, good luck and godspeed to you all and I wish the project all possible success. >>



    Ah, comom, Sumnon. Add some of your considerable knowledge. Let's see where it goes. Good things may happen. >>



    You make me blush.

    By the way, don't you feel dirty posting over there on the Open Forum Refuge? image
  • wiki concept really worked well for www.vamworld.com
    Rob Joyce - Dollar Variety / VAM Collector
    http://www.vamworld.com
    and
    http://www.rjrc.com
  • It would be nice if high res examples of cherry picker Varities were listed
  • Hi Aidan,

    We're open to expanding the CoinFacts Wiki into other areas, including banknotes. I'll work on getting a link to paper money on the main page later today. Then you can build away.

    Thanks for your support. I've been amazed at how many people have already contributed to the site AND the quality of the contributions.

    Best wishes,

    Ron Guth




    << <i>

    << <i>It appears that anyone can just come along and delete or change
    anything that has been "posted". Is there some means to prevent
    this?

    I'm just concerned vandals I guess.

    Wikepedia has some modern bashing under their entry for coin and
    I was always tempted to get in and repair it. >>



    Sam,
    The quality of numismatic articles on Wikipedia leaves a lot to be desired,&,besides,their naming conventions suck to the max.I once wrote an article titled 'Coins of South Africa' & an article titled 'Coins of the South African Republic'.Some idiot went along & split off the pre-decimal coin section of 'Coins of South Africa' & merged it into 'Coins of the South African Republic' with a title of 'Coins of the South African pound'.The decimal coin section was retitled as 'Coins of the South African rand'.

    I have always been a very strong advocate of capitalising currency units & denominations,just like in Krause - Chatham Islands Dollar & Pakistan 1996 10 Paisa coin.

    As for banknotes,each issuer's issues will be getting separate articles,& they will include signature charts,which is something that is missing from the Pick catalogues.

    Aidan. >>

    Ron Guth
    President
    PCGS CoinFacts - the Internet Encyclopedia of U.S. Coins
    www.CoinFacts.com
  • Hi Aidan et al,

    I was just able to add entry pages for U.S. Banknotes and World Paper money (isn't wireless technology great?). Have fun!
    Ron Guth
    President
    PCGS CoinFacts - the Internet Encyclopedia of U.S. Coins
    www.CoinFacts.com
  • Ron,
    Thanks for that.Have you thought about joining Coin Network yourself?

    Aidan.
  • BarndogBarndog Posts: 20,516 ✭✭✭✭✭
    listed a bunch more half dimes today...working on 1832 next
  • raysrays Posts: 2,424 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I put up a 1795 B-5 Dollar.
  • Just checked out the site and read these postings here. Just curious...doesn't PCGS have images in their files from their long history of

    grading coins? Why wouldn't PCGS just enter those images onto this new wiki site since they will have copyright control anyway of

    anything posted there. I for one would like to have that catalog to refer to in identifying types/varieties/vams/errors that I may come

    across. It will take forever for all of these thousands of "identified" coins to be entered by the general population. PCGS could simply show

    the coin's obverse and reverse in closeups (not showing the registration number) so nobody would feel infringed upon for copyright

    reasons, but still effectively show the examples of each for those of us who are fledgling collectors who are looking for a great resource in

    educating and immersing ourselves in the great numismatic ocean. I can see contributing to the site with personal pictures and commentary

    but would think that PCGS could substantially compliment those individual entries with their huge library of images and historical knowledge.

    Happy holidays image
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  • << <i>Just checked out the site and read these postings here. Just curious...doesn't PCGS have images in their files from their long history of

    grading coins? Why wouldn't PCGS just enter those images onto this new wiki site since they will have copyright control anyway of

    anything posted there. I for one would like to have that catalog to refer to in identifying types/varieties/vams/errors that I may come

    across. It will take forever for all of these thousands of "identified" coins to be entered by the general population. PCGS could simply show

    the coin's obverse and reverse in closeups (not showing the registration number) so nobody would feel infringed upon for copyright

    reasons, but still effectively show the examples of each for those of us who are fledgling collectors who are looking for a great resource in

    educating and immersing ourselves in the great numismatic ocean. I can see contributing to the site with personal pictures and commentary

    but would think that PCGS could substantially compliment those individual entries with their huge library of images and historical knowledge.

    Happy holidays image >>



    Hi Luckyman,

    PCGS will be contributing lots of information and images in the future. We're fully supportive of the site and we appreciate all the suggestions. Frankly, I'm very impressed by the contributions that have been made so far. At the risj of embarrassing him, TexasT has done a fine job of contributing and, more importantly, editing out some junk that should not have been posted in the first place.
    Ron Guth
    President
    PCGS CoinFacts - the Internet Encyclopedia of U.S. Coins
    www.CoinFacts.com
  • smokincoinsmokincoin Posts: 2,636 ✭✭✭
    Excuse me! The 1999-W $10 Gold Eagle needed a pic & I did my best to get one there. Will someone fix it for me?image
  • BarndogBarndog Posts: 20,516 ✭✭✭✭✭
    just added a comment on the "discussion page" about two minor corrections needed to the outline for capped bust half dimes.
  • JamericonJamericon Posts: 440 ✭✭✭
    Ron -

    How will you handle the proper referencing of sources for the material posted on this site? As it stands now, anyone can simply cut and paste (i.e., plagiarize) someone else's research without extending fair credit to the original publisher. I believe a site like this has great potential, but unfortunately, I think this can cause some problems. As someone who is published, this is a concern to me.

    Thank you,

    Jamie
    Jamie Yakes - U.S. paper money collector, researcher, and author. | Join the SPMCUS Small-Size Notes, National Bank Notes, and NJ Depression Scrip


  • << <i>just added a comment on the "discussion page" about two minor corrections needed to the outline for capped bust half dimes. >>



    Done, thanks for the suggestions and contributions.
    Ron Guth
    President
    PCGS CoinFacts - the Internet Encyclopedia of U.S. Coins
    www.CoinFacts.com


  • << <i>Ron -

    How will you handle the proper referencing of sources for the material posted on this site? As it stands now, anyone can simply cut and paste (i.e., plagiarize) someone else's research without extending fair credit to the original publisher. I believe a site like this has great potential, but unfortunately, I think this can cause some problems. As someone who is published, this is a concern to me.

    Thank you,

    Jamie >>



    Hi Jamie,

    On every page being edited, we include a warning not to reprint copyrighted information. If we find out that copyrighted information is being posted, we'll remove it as we find it or as it is brought to our attention. This is the same policy utilized by virtually all wikis.
    Ron Guth
    President
    PCGS CoinFacts - the Internet Encyclopedia of U.S. Coins
    www.CoinFacts.com
  • TexastTexast Posts: 1,899 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Excuse me! The 1999-W $10 Gold Eagle needed a pic & I did my best to get one there. Will someone fix it for me?image >>



    With a little photoshop resizing and cropping I have fixed your images, take a look and see if that works better for you.

    If you need any help just send me a PM and I'll see what I can do.

    Tim
    On BS&T Now: Nothing.
    Fighting the Fight for 11 Years with the big "C" - Never Ever Give Up!
    Member PCGS Open Forum board 2002 - 2006 (closed end of 2006) Current board since 2006 Successful trades with many members, over the past two decades, never a bad deal.
  • Jamie & Ron,
    If you're the author of an article that gets published in a magazine,then surely,the rights to reproduce something based on the article remains with you.

    In my case,I will be contributing some banknote & coin photos in relation to the Chatham Islands,& quoting from my article,which was published in the February 2006 edition of Token Publishing's 'Coin News' on Pages 38 to 40.

    If you cite something that has been published,then there should be no problem.

    Aidan.
  • smokincoinsmokincoin Posts: 2,636 ✭✭✭
    Thanks Tim!imageimage
  • JamericonJamericon Posts: 440 ✭✭✭
    Thanks Ron!
    Jamie Yakes - U.S. paper money collector, researcher, and author. | Join the SPMCUS Small-Size Notes, National Bank Notes, and NJ Depression Scrip
  • GrumpyEdGrumpyEd Posts: 4,749 ✭✭✭
    Neat! CoinFacts has some great info! image
    Ed


  • << <i>Jamie & Ron,
    If you're the author of an article that gets published in a magazine,then surely,the rights to reproduce something based on the article remains with you.

    In my case,I will be contributing some banknote & coin photos in relation to the Chatham Islands,& quoting from my article,which was published in the February 2006 edition of Token Publishing's 'Coin News' on Pages 38 to 40.

    If you cite something that has been published,then there should be no problem.

    Aidan. >>



    Hi Aidan,

    This is true only if you retain the copyrights to the article. If you're unclear, check with the publisher. Citing an article is fine for what is known as "fair use" (small amounts of the article), but wholesale republishing requires copyright ownership.
    Ron Guth
    President
    PCGS CoinFacts - the Internet Encyclopedia of U.S. Coins
    www.CoinFacts.com
  • GoldbullyGoldbully Posts: 17,991 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>Jamie & Ron,
    If you're the author of an article that gets published in a magazine,then surely,the rights to reproduce something based on the article remains with you.

    In my case,I will be contributing some banknote & coin photos in relation to the Chatham Islands,& quoting from my article,which was published in the February 2006 edition of Token Publishing's 'Coin News' on Pages 38 to 40.

    If you cite something that has been published,then there should be no problem.

    Aidan. >>



    Hi Aidan,

    This is true only if you retain the copyrights to the article. If you're unclear, check with the publisher. Citing an article is fine for what is known as "fair use" (small amounts of the article), but wholesale republishing requires copyright ownership. >>



    Hi Ron,

    I appreciate your input on the forum.

    How do I go about getting the CoinFacts updated on the Maryland State Qtr.???

    I have some info that is is sorely needed.


    Regards,


    GB

    60 year MD resident.
  • bump
    Ron Guth
    President
    PCGS CoinFacts - the Internet Encyclopedia of U.S. Coins
    www.CoinFacts.com
  • TexastTexast Posts: 1,899 ✭✭✭✭
    Ok folks, it's show and tell time, you have been posting pic's here and telling your stories for years, lets put them on the WIKI !!!
    On BS&T Now: Nothing.
    Fighting the Fight for 11 Years with the big "C" - Never Ever Give Up!
    Member PCGS Open Forum board 2002 - 2006 (closed end of 2006) Current board since 2006 Successful trades with many members, over the past two decades, never a bad deal.
  • Tim,
    Too right! Eventually,I will be starting to post up photos of my banknotes & coins once I get my computer's original power box rebuilt.

    Aidan.
  • ttt
    Ron Guth
    President
    PCGS CoinFacts - the Internet Encyclopedia of U.S. Coins
    www.CoinFacts.com

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