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A little fun. 2 1818 CBH's, 2 TPG's guess, the grades

maibockaddictmaibockaddict Posts: 1,759 ✭
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Just want some a opinions. I think you can all draw your own opinions after I post the correct answers.

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    dohdoh Posts: 6,457 ✭✭✭
    Coin #1: XF40
    Coin #2: VF35
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    LanLordLanLord Posts: 11,754 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Coin #1: XF40
    Coin #2: VF35 >>



    reasonable
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    jdillanejdillane Posts: 2,366 ✭✭✭
    NGC 40

    PCGS 40
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    FatManFatMan Posts: 8,977 ✭
    I was thinking a pair of 35s.
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    TennesseeDaveTennesseeDave Posts: 4,903 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>NGC 40

    PCGS 40 >>



    This was also my guess.
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    astroratastrorat Posts: 9,221 ✭✭✭✭✭
    NGC-40

    PCGS-35

    Note: Both NGC and PCGS vary greatly on VF and EF CBHs so guessing the assigned grades could be a crap-shoot. Nice coins, though.

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    Musky1011Musky1011 Posts: 3,934 ✭✭✭✭
    45
    35
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    DoubleEagle59DoubleEagle59 Posts: 8,431 ✭✭✭✭✭
    xf40
    xf40
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    STONESTONE Posts: 15,275 ✭
    40, 45
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    SeaEagleCoinsSeaEagleCoins Posts: 3,262 ✭
    #1 --- 35

    #2 --- 40


    edited to add --- I would guess the above grades on coins graded earlier this year or last year...

    ...if graded in the past few months I would not be surprised to see them as 30 and 35...
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    TreemanTreeman Posts: 426 ✭✭✭
    I'd guess that the real grades are:
    1st coin - XF45
    2nd coin - XF40
    As far as what's actually on the plastic is anybody's guess...
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    ubercollectorubercollector Posts: 277 ✭✭
    VF35
    VF30
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    coolestcoolest Posts: 2,281 ✭✭✭
    XF40
    VF35
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    BearBear Posts: 18,953 ✭✭✭
    VF-35

    XF-40

    But it could just as well, be the other way around.

    I will start the bidding at $5 each.
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    ColonialCoinUnionColonialCoinUnion Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭
    35, 40
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    coinkatcoinkat Posts: 24,399 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Top coin NGC EF45
    Bottom coin PCGS VF35

    I like the top coin better

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    maibockaddictmaibockaddict Posts: 1,759 ✭
    I find this all interesting. Due to the slabs, the top coin appears darker but actually both are pretty close. One person has the guess exactly right. But what makes this most difficult is the strike on the 1818's in general. Both coins to me are original and toned gray like you would see on circulated silver. The top coin is a common O-111 while the bottom is a scarce O-113.

    Anyhay, will post more later.image
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    JRoccoJRocco Posts: 14,277 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Coin 1 - 45 wear but flat so net to a 40
    Coin 2 - 40

    Please remember that what you are going to call a "Correct Answer" will only be the
    Plastic grade on the label, many times far from correct.
    I like my grading better than the TPG's on many a day in the CBH series so I think my answer is correct and they
    were guessingimage

    Let me know what you grade them also and why.
    Some coins are just plain "Interesting"
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    jdillanejdillane Posts: 2,366 ✭✭✭
    I like JRocco's thinking but realize that won't be on the slabs.

    Looks like the options are:

    35, 35

    40, 45

    45, 40

    35, 30

    The others are ruled out as each of them has more than one guess.
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    jdillanejdillane Posts: 2,366 ✭✭✭
    Neglected to add that I think either Stone or Treeman wins the contest. Me thinks its Treeman.

    (Is there a giveaway for correctly guessing who guessed right first?)image
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    TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 45,035 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I'm in agreement with those who think the first is XF 45 and the second is XF 40.

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    JohnMabenJohnMaben Posts: 957 ✭✭✭
    Top coin= 35
    Bottom coin= 40

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    STONESTONE Posts: 15,275 ✭
    Each is very close to grading either 40 or 45 and could go either way.

    I wouldn't be surprised to see Treeman having the correct answer.
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    maibockaddictmaibockaddict Posts: 1,759 ✭


    << <i>Each is very close to grading either 40 or 45 and could go either way.

    I wouldn't be surprised to see Treeman having the correct answer. >>



    Yeah, that and flat strikes. Should I tell you now or in the morning? I kinda am in the mood to go to sleep...image
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    STONESTONE Posts: 15,275 ✭
    Spill the beans image
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    SeaEagleCoinsSeaEagleCoins Posts: 3,262 ✭


    << <i>

    << <i>Each is very close to grading either 40 or 45 and could go either way.

    I wouldn't be surprised to see Treeman having the correct answer. >>



    Yeah, that and flat strikes. Should I tell you now or in the morning? I kinda am in the mood to go to sleep...image >>




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    maibockaddictmaibockaddict Posts: 1,759 ✭
    OK. Well here it goes!

    Both coins have the same flat strike. In hand, the apparent wear looks closer than in the pics. Luster is a bit better on the NGC coin, with the PCGS coin actually having slightly heavier toning. The long of the short of it is that this is and the image




















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    The NGC coin has an XF 40 grade while the PCGS coin has a 45. I ain't going to argue with either other than say the PCGS grade may be a little on the generous side, while the NGC coin may be a bit on the conservative side.

    But I ain't no grader. I just like the originality!
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    robkoolrobkool Posts: 5,934 ✭✭✭✭✭
    1. NGC XF40...
    2. PCGS VF35...
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    BarndogBarndog Posts: 20,525 ✭✭✭✭✭
    eerily similar to my thread which I started after seeing this thread! Coin #1 was 40, coin #2 was 45 also...








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    JRoccoJRocco Posts: 14,277 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The second coin is overgraded.
    The first coin could go 45 if it had some luster, 40 is right without it.
    When I called it flat I was not referring to the strike which is obviously soft,
    but flat due to no luster showing.
    Do you think the first coin has enough luster to go 45 Dave?
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    STONESTONE Posts: 15,275 ✭
    Yeah I WIN!!!!!! image

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    MidLifeCrisisMidLifeCrisis Posts: 10,613 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Coin #1: XF40
    Coin #2: VF35 >>


    I was thinking the opposite...
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    DIMEMANDIMEMAN Posts: 22,403 ✭✭✭✭✭
    How could anybody like the first coin better than the second. The top coin is clearly 5 points LESS and has too many bad hits for me.

    The bottom coin has much better color and much more detail.

    Neither coin makes 45 to me.

    JMHO
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    maibockaddictmaibockaddict Posts: 1,759 ✭


    << <i>The second coin is overgraded.
    The first coin could go 45 if it had some luster, 40 is right without it.
    When I called it flat I was not referring to the strike which is obviously soft,
    but flat due to no luster showing.
    Do you think the first coin has enough luster to go 45 Dave? >>



    I would say the top one has more apparent luster. Both are old looking making luster hard to find, but its there. I think the biggest point of this is how difficult these are to grade. Firstly, they will look flat. Non-dipped coins with lots of stuff on them will not have any apparent luster in a photo anyway. The strikes for these are of the sort where the details are very easily worn off, so a coin that has some wear to it will lose detail rather than just show a bit of wear. That is why I can see a 45 grade on the PCGS coin. Even on the NGC coin. You can't expect blazing luster on toned coins and need to try and balance your grade out a bit by remaining detail and come to a compromise. I have so many AU's where there is hardly any wear, but the toning and dirt makes the coin look XF 45. Yet give that baby a little dip and...image
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    jdillanejdillane Posts: 2,366 ✭✭✭
    Its not wise to bet against Stone!

    Must admit, I struggle to see 45's absent luster, even if primarily clingling to the devises.
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    coinkatcoinkat Posts: 24,399 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Sorry, but I still like the first coin moreimage

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    scoobydeuxscoobydeux Posts: 498 ✭✭
    very suprising...

    I would ahve guessed

    #1 NGC 50
    #2 PCGS 40

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