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1909-s Real or Fake
Bigrig52
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Does this look like a genuine mintmark..I just bought it..Thanks
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look on p 307,8 PCGS Guide to Coin Grading
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The date looks odd also not just the mint mark
This is like the 3rd one he sold in about 2 months or so...He replied to my email and said he has a full refund policy..I also looked at the coin very closely when i got it and i did something i never do,,the color look weird (i mean not the color a old cent should look like) so i rinsed it off with dawn and a q-tip very lightly and by george the color vanished as soon as the water hit it..I know i'm a bad boy for doing that.So i guess i'm stuck with it for doing that...
<< <i>His ebay user id is 111646skip
This is like the 3rd one he sold in about 2 months or so...He replied to my email and said he has a full refund policy..I also looked at the coin very closely when i got it and i did something i never do,,the color look weird (i mean not the color a old cent should look like) so i rinsed it off with dawn and a q-tip very lightly and by george the color vanished as soon as the water hit it..I know i'm a bad boy for doing that.So i guess i'm stuck with it for doing that... >>
I don't think so....
He sold you a phony coin, cleaned or not, phony. And if he has already sold 3, he probably darn well knows it. Did you use Paypal? File a claim. Also notify eBay.
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it was fraudulently sold
and yes, you were a bad boy
<< <i>Will he still have to refund it even if i washed it.. >>
"Washing" isn't the issue. The issue is selling a altered coin. It appears he sold the same coin 3 times. Perhaps one of our attorneys here could chime in.
Recipient of the coveted "You Suck" award, April 2009 for cherrypicking a 1833 CBHD LM-5, and April 2022 for a 1835 LM-12, and again in Aug 2012 for picking off a 1952 FS-902.
what about this one he sold
trade dollar already sold on ebay
The seller should take it back, if water changed the color that's further proof it was doctored.
If you don't return it (which you should try) then try acetone and a little pressure and it may come off.
You can't determine it by the mintmark position, on the S-vdb there are 4 different positions and even more on 1909-s.
The S used in 1909 and 1910 is boxy (look at a 10-s if you have one) and the serifs are paralel with the sides |S| not going out further.
Also you should see some flow lines interupted by the S, not a perfectly flat area around it.
Don't trust a 1909-s or s-vdb unless it's in a real slab or you can tell.
Good luck, hope it can be returned.
a hint right there possibly
The huge S looks like the "large S" they used on some 1941-S cents nothing like they used in 1909.
<< <i>is the MM the same on a plain S and an S-VDB? >>
There are only the 4 positions for the 1909 S-vdb but many more the 1909 S but the mintmark style is the same.
It is a total fake coin (probably Chinese).
Obtaining money on the basis of false pretenses or concealment of material facts is either misdemeanor or felony larceny, depending
upon the amount involved and the state. Using the mails or phone to perpetrate larceny can also violate federal mail or wire fraud statutes which are also RICO predecates.
The problem is not one of legality, it's one of enforcement, which in turn also entails proof of criminal intent: the seller could be selling an
item that he doesnt know is a forgery or alteration.
What we coin collectors need is a central registry which can organize complaints, act upon them an ddisseminate information about
bad coins. A registry is likely to be more successful in presuading prosecutors to file charges, and is better able to obtain an fuller under-
standing of who is doing what, and how they are doing it.
Send it back, it has no value and if you don't send it back he can (per paypals rules) not give a refund.
I'd guess the seller has an idea or knows it's fake and would refund it to avoid attention or if he's totaly legit he should also refund it. Worst case he can argue that you washed the fake toning off.
<< <i>trade dollar experts
what about this one he sold
trade dollar already sold on ebay >>
Your trade dollar is fake too. It has a type 1 reverse that was not used past 1876. (note the berry between the eagle's claw).
As DC said, those are entire fakes. They appear to be cast copies, with the mint mark having been added to the die used for the casting.
The large amount of flash (seen on the second coin) leads me to think cast, rather than spark erosion;
First post,
don't both coins have the same rim nick and blob on the reverse @ ^
in Pluribus ^ Unum
<< <i>long time lurker... First post, don't both coins have the same rim nick and blob on the reverse @ ^ in Pluribus ^ Unum >>
First, Welcome to the Boards! This is GREAT place to dicuss coins.
Second, I agree, it appears that they were both made from the same dies, and not from the San Francisco mint.