Options
The Best Non-Famous Pedigree?
MidLifeCrisis
Posts: 10,618 ✭✭✭✭✭
After reading this recent thread, I noticed several coins in Baltimore with the Meyer pedigree. I had never heard of Meyer before.
Everyone has heard of Eliasberg, Norweb, Pittman, Ford and Garrett. Those who collect colonials have probably heard of Roper, Taylor and Picker.
In your specialty, what is the best non-famous pedigree?
Everyone has heard of Eliasberg, Norweb, Pittman, Ford and Garrett. Those who collect colonials have probably heard of Roper, Taylor and Picker.
In your specialty, what is the best non-famous pedigree?
0
Comments
<< <i>For southern gold, North Georgia, Alabama, Pinnacle, Green Pond, and Duke's Creek were all important, relatively recent collections. There are a couple others, but my mind is blanking. >>
The Ed Milas collection from the 90's.
New collectors, please educate yourself before spending money on coins; there are people who believe that using numismatic knowledge to rip the naïve is what this hobby is all about.
<< <i>How about that "Sample" guy? I see a lot of coins with his pedigree. >>
Ya but he's famous ask the Sample slab collector
In God We Trust.... all others pay in Gold and Silver!
Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.
Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.
New collectors, please educate yourself before spending money on coins; there are people who believe that using numismatic knowledge to rip the naïve is what this hobby is all about.
(To me) It's about the coins, not who used to own them.
But that's just me.
<< <i>For those in the know, the LakeSamm pedigree can't be beat.
I own a coin with the LakeSamm pedigree.
<< <i>Do tell.
The fabulous J-202 that you sold to me.
<< <i>Pedigrees, IMHO, are overrated.
(To me) It's about the coins, not who used to own them.
But that's just me. >>
Sure...but that's not what I asked.
<< <i>Just because it isn't famous or popular doesn't mean it isn't a great pedigree. >>
My point exactly...I think.
As another example, I mentioned Roper, Taylor and Picker as colonial pedigrees of note. But have you ever heard of the Hinkley or Oechsner pedigrees?
Fair enough, it was kind of a drive by.
To answer your question, here are a few large-cent pedigrees that aren't on everyone's short-list, but I've found some find nice coins in them:
Wes Rasmussen
Dorothy Paschal
Lakesammman
LakeSamm
LakeSam
LakesSalmon
LakeSalmon
It was never meant to be a classic.
There are a few other patterns available if interested.
<< <i>Fair enough, it was kind of a drive by.
To answer your question, here are a few large-cent pedigrees that aren't on everyone's short-list, but I've found some find nice coins in them:
Rasmussen
Paschal >>
Thanks.
My last rant on my original post, and the reason why I said what I did: It just bothers me that there are many (what I consider to be misinformed) collectors who show a coin, link it to a famous pedigree, and think the coin is more than it is, when in reality the coin is an absolute dog. I think posts like this, while not directly or intentionally, add to the pedigree hysteria. Then again, I guess the uninformed will make mistakes -- just like we all did (myself included) I suppose.
Respectfully submitted....Mike
<< <i>You are welcome.
My last rant on my original post, and the reason why I said what I did: It just bothers me that there are many (what I consider to be misinformed) collectors who show a coin, link it to a famous pedigree, and think the coin is more than it is, when in reality the coin is an absolute dog. I think posts like this, while not directly or intentionally, add to the pedigree hysteria. Then again, I guess the uninformed will make mistakes -- just like we all did (myself included) I suppose.
Respectfully submitted....Mike >>
I completely and respectfully disagree. The great collections, while not perfect, are of great interest to me as a collector. Any tangible connection that I can make to these collections gives me satisfaction. The pursuit of these connections is a major driver in my hobby research effort. No words that you (or anyone else) may say will negate or minimize the enjoyment that I derive from this area of numismatics.
<< <i>It's gone through too many iterations for PCGS to keep track.
Lakesammman
LakeSamm
LakeSam
LakesSalmon
LakeSalmon
It was never meant to be a classic.
There are a few other patterns available if interested.
Do tell.
RYK: Rumor has it that you own a '69 Shield 5c Narrow Date. Do tell!
<< <i>
<< <i>You are welcome.
My last rant on my original post, and the reason why I said what I did: It just bothers me that there are many (what I consider to be misinformed) collectors who show a coin, link it to a famous pedigree, and think the coin is more than it is, when in reality the coin is an absolute dog. I think posts like this, while not directly or intentionally, add to the pedigree hysteria. Then again, I guess the uninformed will make mistakes -- just like we all did (myself included) I suppose.
Respectfully submitted....Mike >>
I completely and respectfully disagree. The great collections, while not perfect, are of great interest to me as a collector. Any tangible connection that I can make to these collections gives me satisfaction. The pursuit of these connections is a major driver in my hobby research effort. No words that you (or anyone else) may say will negate or minimize the enjoyment that I derive from this area of numismatics. >>
Mike, while I respect your opinion, I'm with RYK on this issue. In fact, my main collecting goal is to build a pedigreed colonial era type set.
However, I do agree that a coin has to stand on its own merits...but when a coin is all there AND has a pedigree, it is special (IMHO).
<< <i>And lastly, one of the other major reasons I am interested in pedigrees is that I can match the coin that I am holding in my hand with either plate coins or catalogs that are anywhere from 50 to 100 years old to see if the coin has been messed with, what better proof can one ask for when looking for an original a coin as possible. >>
This is another great reason to watch for nice coins with pedigrees. In fact, a little side hobby I have going is collecting auction catalogs of named collections. It's pretty cool to see a coin you own plated in an old catalog...or especially a reference book like Breen or Vlack.
I would be willing to bet that I have at least as many coins from the collections of present or former forum members as anyone here. I will list them later.
I agree, although if I'm going to go out of my way to own a coin that belonged to a great collector, it will need to be a coin that helps tell the story of his greatness. For example, I'm not interested in owning John Pittman's 1938 Jefferson nickel unless it was a gift from Felix Schlag. And I'm not interested in his slider 1853 half eagle unless it was part of a "wonder lot" at Farouk. But his PR68 1891 $20 would be fine, wherever he got it.
Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.
Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.
<< <i>I don't know much if anything about the man but over the years, the name Charles Kelly (at least I think his first name is Charles?) appears, in auction listings, under the provenance on some really great coins. I've come to appreciate his eye, whenever some of his former coins appear. He seemed to be able to find choice, original coins with great eye appeal. Not always the highest grade but always original and problem free, in mid to high grade. Needless to say that many of his mid-grade examples were key or semi-key dates. Luckily I've had the pleasure of owning several. >>
He is new to me...sounds like someone I should watch out for.
No, I think you are right it's James....Thanks!!
I had a couple of his dimes but he also did other denominations in silver along with some sweet early gold.
Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.
Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.
Andy that's him. I thought he might be a dealer too.
What do you know about him?
Not much, really. Only that he handled a bunch of good coins.
Julian, you out there???
Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.
Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.
<< <i>
<< <i>You are welcome.
My last rant on my original post, and the reason why I said what I did: It just bothers me that there are many (what I consider to be misinformed) collectors who show a coin, link it to a famous pedigree, and think the coin is more than it is, when in reality the coin is an absolute dog. I think posts like this, while not directly or intentionally, add to the pedigree hysteria. Then again, I guess the uninformed will make mistakes -- just like we all did (myself included) I suppose.
Respectfully submitted....Mike >>
I completely and respectfully disagree. The great collections, while not perfect, are of great interest to me as a collector. Any tangible connection that I can make to these collections gives me satisfaction. The pursuit of these connections is a major driver in my hobby research effort. No words that you (or anyone else) may say will negate or minimize the enjoyment that I derive from this area of numismatics. >>
Fair enough. I can't say I disagree with anything you have said, and I will just as respectfully suggest that you weren't the type of collector I was referring to in my post.
That said, in the end, we all value coins for different reasons, and who am I to say one way is better (or worse) than another....Mike
<< <i>
<< <i>And lastly, one of the other major reasons I am interested in pedigrees is that I can match the coin that I am holding in my hand with either plate coins or catalogs that are anywhere from 50 to 100 years old to see if the coin has been messed with, what better proof can one ask for when looking for an original a coin as possible. >>
This is another great reason to watch for nice coins with pedigrees. In fact, a little side hobby I have going is collecting auction catalogs of named collections. It's pretty cool to see a coin you own plated in an old catalog...or especially a reference book like Breen or Vlack. >>
I concur. Well said, gentlemen.....Mike
<< <i>Mike,
thanks but I believe your arguments are good for all of us, it is good to question certain elements of the hobby as a check and balance and I respect your wisdom and logic 100% of the time and even though I disagreed with you on this one, I enjoyed the discussion and realize it was wise for both sides to explain their thoughts and state the facts to prove their points. This is exactly what a forum should be about, thanks for the excellent input. If everyone agreed there would be no growth here for me. >>
I disagree. I think that Mike is just setting me up to lowball me out of my Eliasberg, Norweb, and Garrett coins.
(Just kidding, of course)
<< <i>For southern gold, North Georgia, Alabama, Pinnacle, Green Pond, and Duke's Creek were all important, relatively recent collections. There are a couple others, but my mind is blanking. >>
How about:
Ashland
Chestatee
Dallas Bank
Bass - maybe not, he's kind of famous.