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keetskeets Posts: 25,351 ✭✭✭✭✭
I have always enjoyed these coins and thought the Great Men/themes they commemorated were one of the more fitting, and that the issues suffered for a few reasons; the length of time they were struck, the numbers that were struck and the sins of the issues proceeding them and their promotions. Actually there are a few better dates in the 50's and some of the coins can be found nicely toned. I recall that member Clankeye had at one time assembled a high grade set focusing on golden toned coins, sold those and at a later time started to assemble the set again. I always enjoyed seeing his coins along with the occasional blue album toners that pop up.

Does anyone think the series will enjoy a ressurgence due to the remarkable events of the past Presidential election?? Would anyone care to post pictures of some nice coins that they own, either toned or brilliant?? Thanks in advance.

Al H.

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    Steve27Steve27 Posts: 13,285 ✭✭✭
    I don't see any resurgence on the horizon.

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    RYKRYK Posts: 35,804 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I think it is fair unlikely that there will be renewed interest. I think common types like these will suffer from weakening demand due to the current economic environment, and this will outweigh any historic or sociopolitical factors.
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    291fifth291fifth Posts: 25,257 ✭✭✭✭✭
    No.
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    LongacreLongacre Posts: 16,720 ✭✭✭
    I don't think there will be any correlation, regardless of the Obama-mania.
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    << <i>I don't think there will be any correlation, regardless of the Obama-mania. >>




    Under the new rules of the Obama- Phenoma, the purchase of these select commemmoratives will be subsidized by the new government for select purchasers who make less than $42K a year. The cost will be increased for small business and select individuals who make over $250k a year.

    The net result will be a short term boost with no staying power because the new owners of these coins will not show a committment to the series.
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    TheRavenTheRaven Posts: 4,172 ✭✭✭✭
    Zero possibility....
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    RWBRWB Posts: 8,082 ✭
    Why? They were and remain among the ugliest commemoratives ever issued (although Iowa comes to mind, too).
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    lcoopielcoopie Posts: 8,875 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I doubt it
    mainly because I like them and I have a few

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    Probably not but I hope so. I have a small hoard of thoese things. They are just too damn common.
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    dbldie55dbldie55 Posts: 7,754 ✭✭✭✭✭
    No
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    notwilightnotwilight Posts: 12,864 ✭✭✭
    I don't listen much but I haven't heard the president elect talk about any roots in that area. Has he ever mentioned either one in a speech? Any connection between the past the these two historical heros hasn't crossed my mind and probably not others. --Jerry
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    Nope.. But (IF) the mint were to issue a Dr. MLK commem _Now would be the time during Obama's term.
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    sinin1sinin1 Posts: 7,500 ✭
    I wonder how many got melted with high recent silver prices
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    InYHWHWeTrustInYHWHWeTrust Posts: 1,451 ✭✭✭
    I sure hope not. It's hard enough finding the better dates circulated and original, nicely toned.

    1954 D GWC

    Description says cleaned, but for $10 I rolled the dice and under 10x there are no hairlines and no sign of dipping/retoning to the naked eye. image

    Prob my best date commem so far for condition rarity.

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    RegistryCoinRegistryCoin Posts: 5,132 ✭✭✭✭
    Probably not help, but it can't hurt. image
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    FrankcoinsFrankcoins Posts: 4,575 ✭✭✭
    I bought about 30 NGC 64 BTWs at the Fort Worth coin club show for $21 each. Seems like a low risk bet, especially since I have already seen TV ads for Kennedy halves with an Obama decal applied for high prices.
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    zeebobzeebob Posts: 2,825 ✭
    Nope. Another 15 or 18 years, the market will swing around for all the commems.
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    messydeskmessydesk Posts: 20,902 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Well, let's examine a couple of BTW's thoughts and see how they mesh with recent events:

    "There is a class of colored people who make a business of keeping the troubles, the wrongs, and the hardships of the Negro race before the public. Having learned that they are able to make a living out of their troubles, they have grown into the settled habit of advertising their wrongs-partly because they want sympathy and partly because it pays. Some of these people do not want the Negro to lose his grievances, because they do not want to lose their jobs."

    "Associate yourself with people of good quality, for it is better to be alone than in bad company."

    In that light, I guess my response to your question would be "no."
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    COALPORTERCOALPORTER Posts: 2,900 ✭✭
    Ill remember to play "green onions" by Booker T and the MGs.
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    COALPORTERCOALPORTER Posts: 2,900 ✭✭
    I see nothing in common with BO and those two men.
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    BlindedByEgoBlindedByEgo Posts: 10,754 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    rickoricko Posts: 98,721 ✭✭✭✭✭
    No... not related to the political scene.... Cheers, RickO
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    RYKRYK Posts: 35,804 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Nope. Another 115 or 180 years, the market will swing around for all the commems. >>



    I agree. image
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    dohdoh Posts: 6,457 ✭✭✭
    What? Why would there be any more interest now than before? I hope you're asking this question as a joke. We have a half Black President now, so the coin collecting community will enjoy an influx of African American collectors and those collectors will - of course - flock to coins with African Americans portrayed on them? Yikes, Disney couldn't make a movie that far-fetched and sappy.

    I'm all for getting new collectors into our hobby. New blood - of any color - is a great thing...but NEWS FLASH, our President is an American. We're all Americans. The more people focus on the color of his skin both positively or negatively the more the racial divide widens.
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    SwampboySwampboy Posts: 13,277 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Do you think BTW's and Washington/Carver's will enjoy a "bounce" as the result of recent events?? >>



    If there is a bounce it will probably affect the Jackie Robinson $5 gold coin and the Franklin half since they weren't presidents either. image

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    SeattleSlammerSeattleSlammer Posts: 10,129 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Do you think BTW's and Washington/Carver's will enjoy a "bounce" as the result of recent events??

    Given that none of the stupid white man commems enjoyed bounces during the last eight years, it's unlikely. image

    (hey, for the record, I didn't start this can't-believe-it-hasn't-gone-poof-yet thread!)













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    keetskeets Posts: 25,351 ✭✭✭✭✭
    tough crowd today......................and "for the record" i also asked if anyone would care to post pictures of coins they might have. sadly, only a few have done that so i guess nobody collects these. oh well.
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    No, but don't be surprised if congress passes legislation to coin money with living people (I know they already did this, but it was technically illegal), to clear the way for Obama coins and/or paper money.
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    messydeskmessydesk Posts: 20,902 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 45,324 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Maybe if they were tactfully presented on the Home Shopping Network.
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    lcoopielcoopie Posts: 8,875 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>tough crowd today......................and "for the record" i also asked if anyone would care to post pictures of coins they might have. sadly, only a few have done that so i guess nobody collects these. oh well. >>



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    keetskeets Posts: 25,351 ✭✭✭✭✭
    thank you, Lester.image
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    SeattleSlammerSeattleSlammer Posts: 10,129 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Here's my favorite WC toner...got it from Russ a couple of years ago and it's a killer...better than my pic. Vibrant yellows and reds with great luster. Russ had a much more accurate pic on the auction but I forgot to save it. Oh well, you get the idea. image (reverse is just plain old bright white)

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    mozinmozin Posts: 8,755 ✭✭✭
    Nope, will not make a bit of difference in the popularity of BTWs or WCs. They are two unattractive designs, and they always will be. If I were to start my set over, I would skip both of them.
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    SeattleSlammerSeattleSlammer Posts: 10,129 ✭✭✭✭✭
    This pic gives a much better representation of the colors:

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    WTCGWTCG Posts: 8,940 ✭✭✭
    Considering that coin collectors and coin dealers as an entire group lack diversity in terms of demographics and political views I do not foresee a "bounce" in demand for BTW's or GWC commemoratives.

    Ever since election day there definitely isn't a lack of opinions shared between coin dealers and coin collectors regarding their personal views of the new president-elect. I have personally overheard many of those comments expressed and it is suffice to say that coin people overwhelmingly did not vote in line with the majority of the population. Although some are happy, most comments heard so far range from cynical to flat-out racist.
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    rooksmithrooksmith Posts: 1,470 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I believe they are undervalued.

    I hope that changes!
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    SeattleSlammerSeattleSlammer Posts: 10,129 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Considering that coin collectors and coin dealers as an entire group lack diversity in terms of demographics and political views I do not foresee a "bounce" in demand for BTW's or GWC commemoratives.

    Ever since election day there definitely isn't a lack of opinions shared between coin dealers and coin collectors regarding their personal views of the new president-elect. I have personally overheard many of those comments expressed and it is suffice to say that coin people overwhelmingly did not vote in line with the majority of the population. Most comments heard range from cynical to flat-out racist.



    Nicely put and I couldn't agree more. Yes, the majority is changing and will continue to do so in the years ahead. This is no doubt terribly disconcerting for many people. Regarding the most pronounced negative comments I've heard...they tend to come from those that would never be mistaken as the brightest bulbs in the pack. So I say let those dim bulbs shine! I don't care if your candle is barely flickering as long as you have pretty coins to sell! image




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