I might... I repeat, MIGHT consider it IF the seller accepted PayPal.
Seems mighty foolish to me for someone who has a whole bunch of unopen sets, like this seller, to sell them as-is and not open them to "cash-in" themselves...Frankly, if I were to ever be offered an unopen early Proof set, I'm going to open it before I decide to purchase.
Re: Slabbed coins - There are some coins that LIVE within clear plastic and wear their labels with pride... while there are others that HIDE behind scratched plastic and are simply dragged along by a label. Then there are those coins that simply hang out, naked and free
Welcome to the lottery... please send a check to me and I'll buy you some lottery tickets.
The question is... what would a 37 proof set be worth in an average grade of PF63? If I was bidding on the unpictured set, I'd be very south of that price or understand anything over that price would be playing the lottery.
BTW, I learned my lesson on a 5 pack of 71 proof sets looking for the No S nickel. Still have them hanging out.
Steve
U.S. Air Force Security Forces Retired
In memory of the USAF Security Forces lost: A1C Elizabeth N. Jacobson, 9/28/05; SSgt Brian McElroy, 1/22/06; TSgt Jason Norton, 1/22/06; A1C Lee Chavis, 10/14/06; SSgt John Self, 5/14/07; A1C Jason Nathan, 6/23/07; SSgt Travis Griffin, 4/3/08; 1Lt Joseph Helton, 9/8/09; SrA Nicholas J. Alden, 3/3/2011. God Bless them and all those who have lost loved ones in this war. I will never forget their loss.
<< <i>I might... I repeat, MIGHT consider it IF the seller accepted PayPal.
Seems mighty foolish to me for someone who has a whole bunch of unopen sets, like this seller, to sell them as-is and not open them to "cash-in" themselves...Frankly, if I were to ever be offered an unopen early Proof set, I'm going to open it before I decide to purchase. >>
Not that I endorse this seller or auction at all. However I dought highly you will ever be offered an UNOPENED set and be able to open it to decide if you want it??? What would the purpose of selling it UNOPENED be?
"Roll the dice on this special treat and see if you can come away a winner. YOU COULD QUITE POSSIBLE FIND VERY RARE DEEP CAMEO COINS. The possibilities are endless."
Right, he can go and roll the dice himself. Imagine, he could be a real winner and have those endless possibilities (endless!?!?) Why give it away? Because it's been opened... the rest of the story revolves around glue. No pic of the unopened item. At least he avoided the "Monster toned" phrase
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If it sounds to good to be true it usually is to good to be true.
I like this line "BE THE VERY FIRST to own a piece of history." How can you be the first to own it if you are buying it from them? Wouldn't that make you at least the second owner?
<< <i>I might... I repeat, MIGHT consider it IF the seller accepted PayPal.
Seems mighty foolish to me for someone who has a whole bunch of unopen sets, like this seller, to sell them as-is and not open them to "cash-in" themselves...Frankly, if I were to ever be offered an unopen early Proof set, I'm going to open it before I decide to purchase. >>
Not that I endorse this seller or auction at all. However I dought highly you will ever be offered an UNOPENED set and be able to open it to decide if you want it??? What would the purpose of selling it UNOPENED be? >>
First of all, the only source I might expect to receive such an offer from ( if ever ) would be from someone who knows little to nothing about coins, such as someone who inherited a collection.
I personally know of no dealer (or collector, for that matter) who would not open such an item before selling. There is way too much upside to the possibility of finding a high grade and possibly a Cameo that would do much better slabbed.
As was stated by another poster above, I would only consider (if at all) buying an unopen early set at an extreme discount due to the possibilities of damage due to poor storage over the years. The seller can stay to watch as I open it... because of one main reason...I am suspicious when something looks/sounds too good to be true...
...You see, I don't know if someone along the way could have opened the original packaging, taken the original set out, replaced it with who-knows-what and then resealed it... don't know if it is even possible without detection...but I suppose it could be done by an unscrupulous charachter.
...and how come no pic of the original packaging in this ebay sellers listings? I would think that would add to the allure of this "wonderful mystery treasure".
Maybe this seller is legit and is hoping for some mad-money bids by folks who want to be the first to look inside the "box". Stranger things have happened...
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Re: Slabbed coins - There are some coins that LIVE within clear plastic and wear their labels with pride... while there are others that HIDE behind scratched plastic and are simply dragged along by a label. Then there are those coins that simply hang out, naked and free
<< <i>Maybe this seller is legit and is hoping for some mad-money bids by folks who want to be the first to look inside the "box". Stranger things have happened... >>
You mean like the UFOs that landed in New Mexico...?
No selling activity since 07 and the items sold were not coins.
No coin buying activity and now all of a sudden, super rare Proof sets still in the boxes with absolutely no pictures and only a money order or cashiers check as payment?
Someones gonna get screwed on all of the auctions he currently has!
If this were a collection, I would expect that a find such as this would have been accompanied by more that just sealed proof sets.
I decided to change calling the bathroom the John and renamed it the Jim. I feel so much better saying I went to the Jim this morning.
"If you are not pleased with your item, a three day return privilege is extended from your date of receipt. The item must be in its original condition (i.e., unopened)."
If it's bought and opened and contains a few washers it can't be returned because it's opened.
It will be interesting to see if someone gives feedback for it.
<< <i>I might... I repeat, MIGHT consider it IF the seller accepted PayPal.
Seems mighty foolish to me for someone who has a whole bunch of unopen sets, like this seller, to sell them as-is and not open them to "cash-in" themselves...Frankly, if I were to ever be offered an unopen early Proof set, I'm going to open it before I decide to purchase. >>
Not that I endorse this seller or auction at all. However I dought highly you will ever be offered an UNOPENED set and be able to open it to decide if you want it??? What would the purpose of selling it UNOPENED be? >>
First of all, the only source I might expect to receive such an offer from ( if ever ) would be from someone who knows little to nothing about coins, such as someone who inherited a collection.
I personally know of no dealer (or collector, for that matter) who would not open such an item before selling. There is way too much upside to the possibility of finding a high grade and possibly a Cameo that would do much better slabbed.
As was stated by another poster above, I would only consider (if at all) buying an unopen early set at an extreme discount due to the possibilities of damage due to poor storage over the years. The seller can stay to watch as I open it... because of one main reason...I am suspicious when something looks/sounds too good to be true...
...You see, I don't know if someone along the way could have opened the original packaging, taken the original set out, replaced it with who-knows-what and then resealed it... don't know if it is even possible without detection...but I suppose it could be done by an unscrupulous charachter.
...and how come no pic of the original packaging in this ebay sellers listings? I would think that would add to the allure of this "wonderful mystery treasure".
Maybe this seller is legit and is hoping for some mad-money bids by folks who want to be the first to look inside the "box". Stranger things have happened...
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My point is still I doubt highly you will ever have anyone offer you an UN OPENED item in your stated terms and let you open it then decide if you want to buy it. Unless maybe the price is NOT set and the seller has the option of declining the sale or changing the price.. Again I dont endorse this seller just stating what is common practice in UN OPENED sales.
<< <i>I dont like the auction. Private, check or money order only payment. No pictures. >>
Yep....for people here who have complained about the mandatory paypal offering that ebay rolled out, this is one of those types of auctions that make sense for it.
strangely, nobody as of yet has suggested that original box Proof Sets from years prior to 1950 may not even exist, the most obvious question in my mind. they are almost like the "Urban Legend" of Numismatics. i have never seen one myself and everyone who purports to have seen one cannot provide either a contact leading to the owner or pictures of the set. it always ends up being that "a friend of my brother's boss has a cousin who saw one at a show several years ago" or some such drivel. i personally know someone two individuals who tell me they have original sets from that era but neither as of yet has been willing to allow me to photograph the sets.
while i firmly believe that entire sets of 1936-1942 Proof coins exist(ed) and were sent to individuals as a group, issues from this era were typically sold individually which accounts for the disparity in mintages among the issues. i for one would be curious to see what these coins were originally shipped in and what the entire set would have been packaged in.
Most pre-flat pack US proof coins 1936-1955 were sold as sets. The coins were in cellophane envelopes and the envelopes were stapled together. Occasionally, collectors ordered and extra of one denomination, or only a single example. This accounts for differences in totals for each denomination each year. For photos of some pre 1950 sets, look for a thread about 1-1/2 years ago where a small collection of commems and proof sets was inherited. The members name was “Darth5oh.” (I used a couple of his photos, with permission, in a Coin World article about the first Jefferson nickels.)
<< <i>Most pre-flat pack US proof coins 1936-1955 were sold as sets. The coins were in cellophane envelopes and the envelopes were stapled together. Occasionally, collectors ordered and extra of one denomination, or only a single example. This accounts for differences in totals for each denomination each year. For photos of some pre 1950 sets, look for a thread about 1-1/2 years ago where a small collection of commems and proof sets was inherited. The members name was “Darth5oh.” (I used a couple of his photos, with permission, in a Coin World article about the first Jefferson nickels.) >>
I'm certainly not trying to correct you Roger but I was always under the impression that the proof coins prior to 1950 were offered as individual pieces and not as complete sets. However it would make sense that collectors would have ordered one of each coin thereby making a complete set.
How far off am I?
I decided to change calling the bathroom the John and renamed it the Jim. I feel so much better saying I went to the Jim this morning.
The 1936-1942 price lists were constructed to encourage orders by the set, but coins were priced individually and could also be purchased that way. Internal mint correspondence confirms that most orders were for complete sets of five coins. This is consistent with prior policy where collectors were encouraged, but not absolutely required, to purchase "minor sets," silver sets," or "gold sets."
<< <i>Most pre-flat pack US proof coins 1936-1955 were sold as sets. The coins were in cellophane envelopes and the envelopes were stapled together. Occasionally, collectors ordered and extra of one denomination, or only a single example. This accounts for differences in totals for each denomination each year. For photos of some pre 1950 sets, look for a thread about 1-1/2 years ago where a small collection of commems and proof sets was inherited. The members name was “Darth5oh.” (I used a couple of his photos, with permission, in a Coin World article about the first Jefferson nickels.) >>
Not sure about WWII era proof packaging, but from 1950-55, the sets were sold in a small square box about 3/4 inch high, sealed with two strips of paper-backed tape which ran around the box, one north-south, the other east-west. The box had a lid, and the set was usually opened by slicing the tape at the bottom of each side of it. In 1955, the mint converted to the flat pack, and actually issued sets with both packaging styles that year.
As stated above, the coins were in little cellophane envelopes folded at the top and stapled all together. There was also some paper packing material, as I recall.
The boxes used for the 36-42 sets are not identical to the boxes used for the 50-55 sets. It is slightly larger.
As for the tape being crossed on the 50-55 sets, only partially true. All 50-53 sets are cross taped. The 54 and 55 have a single band. The exception is if the set was mailed in it's box with a postage stamp, the box no matter what year received a cross tape. remember that when you are looking at sealed sets.
<< <i>The boxes used for the 36-42 sets are not identical to the boxes used for the 50-55 sets. It is slightly larger.
As for the tape being crossed on the 50-55 sets, only partially true. All 50-53 sets are cross taped. The 54 and 55 have a single band. The exception is if the set was mailed in it's box with a postage stamp, the box no matter what year received a cross tape. remember that when you are looking at sealed sets. >>
Weeeeell, I too asked if he had the accompaning paperwork that indicated how many coins were ordered or if he had xrayed the contents to see what was in the package. No response whatsoever. Auction over and now for the feedback wait. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm, hope he's legit and someone gets something fantastic and rare. bob
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It is probably legit unopened, although I guess the final price would determine the risk.
Collector of Early 20th Century U.S. Coinage.
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No pictures.
Well, just Love coins, period.
Seems mighty foolish to me for someone who has a whole bunch of unopen sets, like this seller, to sell them as-is and not open them to "cash-in" themselves...Frankly, if I were to ever be offered an unopen early Proof set, I'm going to open it before I decide to purchase.
Welcome to the lottery... please send a check to me and I'll buy you some lottery tickets.
The question is... what would a 37 proof set be worth in an average grade of PF63? If I was bidding on the unpictured set, I'd be very south of that price or understand anything over that price would be playing the lottery.
BTW, I learned my lesson on a 5 pack of 71 proof sets looking for the No S nickel. Still have them hanging out.
Steve
In memory of the USAF Security Forces lost: A1C Elizabeth N. Jacobson, 9/28/05; SSgt Brian McElroy, 1/22/06; TSgt Jason Norton, 1/22/06; A1C Lee Chavis, 10/14/06; SSgt John Self, 5/14/07; A1C Jason Nathan, 6/23/07; SSgt Travis Griffin, 4/3/08; 1Lt Joseph Helton, 9/8/09; SrA Nicholas J. Alden, 3/3/2011. God Bless them and all those who have lost loved ones in this war. I will never forget their loss.
I can see this guy getting paid, calling it quits and dropping off the radar.
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<< <i>This would certainly be a magnificent find, but do you think it's real, do you think it exists and do you think it's worth the risk???
Al H. >>
Whopping 3 day return privilege!! Not for me!
Magnificent find for sure, BUT.....Why eBay and not a reputable dealer involved on the purchasing end???
<< <i>I might... I repeat, MIGHT consider it IF the seller accepted PayPal.
Seems mighty foolish to me for someone who has a whole bunch of unopen sets, like this seller, to sell them as-is and not open them to "cash-in" themselves...Frankly, if I were to ever be offered an unopen early Proof set, I'm going to open it before I decide to purchase. >>
Not that I endorse this seller or auction at all. However I dought highly you will ever be offered an UNOPENED set and be able to open it to decide if you want it??? What would the purpose of selling it UNOPENED be?
Right, he can go and roll the dice himself. Imagine, he could be a real winner and have those endless possibilities (endless!?!?) Why give it away? Because it's been opened... the rest of the story revolves around glue. No pic of the unopened item. At least he avoided the "Monster toned" phrase
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I like this line "BE THE VERY FIRST to own a piece of history."
How can you be the first to own it if you are buying it from them?
Wouldn't that make you at least the second owner?
There is no 'UBER RARE DEEP CAMEO COIN' in the box; or anything else worth a ginormous bid.
-D
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-Horace
<< <i>I wouldn't go anywhere NEAR this. Way too many red flags. >>
agree. the "person" knows exactly what they are up to. red alarm.
trying to suck in rubes.
i say person because to me it represents a stolen account. just
look at the feedback in the last 90 days. crap feedback in the two
i looked at. junk.
I have seen them in cello sleves an they were in small envolps.
not boxes!
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<< <i>I might... I repeat, MIGHT consider it IF the seller accepted PayPal.
Seems mighty foolish to me for someone who has a whole bunch of unopen sets, like this seller, to sell them as-is and not open them to "cash-in" themselves...Frankly, if I were to ever be offered an unopen early Proof set, I'm going to open it before I decide to purchase. >>
Not that I endorse this seller or auction at all. However I dought highly you will ever be offered an UNOPENED set and be able to open it to decide if you want it??? What would the purpose of selling it UNOPENED be?
First of all, the only source I might expect to receive such an offer from ( if ever ) would be from someone who knows little to nothing about coins, such as someone who inherited a collection.
I personally know of no dealer (or collector, for that matter) who would not open such an item before selling. There is way too much upside to the possibility of finding a high grade and possibly a Cameo that would do much better slabbed.
As was stated by another poster above, I would only consider (if at all) buying an unopen early set at an extreme discount due to the possibilities of damage due to poor storage over the years. The seller can stay to watch as I open it... because of one main reason...I am suspicious when something looks/sounds too good to be true...
...You see, I don't know if someone along the way could have opened the original packaging, taken the original set out, replaced it with who-knows-what and then resealed it... don't know if it is even possible without detection...but I suppose it could be done by an unscrupulous charachter.
...and how come no pic of the original packaging in this ebay sellers listings? I would think that would add to the allure of this "wonderful mystery treasure".
Maybe this seller is legit and is hoping for some mad-money bids by folks who want to be the first to look inside the "box". Stranger things have happened...
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<< <i>Maybe this seller is legit and is hoping for some mad-money bids by folks who want to be the first to look inside the "box". Stranger things have happened... >>
You mean like the UFOs that landed in New Mexico...?
Older prior sales do not appear to be coin related.
No pictures. And seller states " roll the dice in the auction". I don't like loaded dice myself.
Signs of an account that is possibly been hacked.
No coin buying activity and now all of a sudden, super rare Proof sets still in the boxes with absolutely no pictures and only a money order or cashiers check as payment?
Someones gonna get screwed on all of the auctions he currently has!
If this were a collection, I would expect that a find such as this would have been accompanied by more that just sealed proof sets.
The name is LEE!
If it's bought and opened and contains a few washers it can't be returned because it's opened.
It will be interesting to see if someone gives feedback for it.
Maybe these are Fleur De Coin examples?
LMAO!
FLORIDA BILL!!
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<< <i>
<< <i>I might... I repeat, MIGHT consider it IF the seller accepted PayPal.
Seems mighty foolish to me for someone who has a whole bunch of unopen sets, like this seller, to sell them as-is and not open them to "cash-in" themselves...Frankly, if I were to ever be offered an unopen early Proof set, I'm going to open it before I decide to purchase. >>
Not that I endorse this seller or auction at all. However I dought highly you will ever be offered an UNOPENED set and be able to open it to decide if you want it??? What would the purpose of selling it UNOPENED be?
First of all, the only source I might expect to receive such an offer from ( if ever ) would be from someone who knows little to nothing about coins, such as someone who inherited a collection.
I personally know of no dealer (or collector, for that matter) who would not open such an item before selling. There is way too much upside to the possibility of finding a high grade and possibly a Cameo that would do much better slabbed.
As was stated by another poster above, I would only consider (if at all) buying an unopen early set at an extreme discount due to the possibilities of damage due to poor storage over the years. The seller can stay to watch as I open it... because of one main reason...I am suspicious when something looks/sounds too good to be true...
...You see, I don't know if someone along the way could have opened the original packaging, taken the original set out, replaced it with who-knows-what and then resealed it... don't know if it is even possible without detection...but I suppose it could be done by an unscrupulous charachter.
...and how come no pic of the original packaging in this ebay sellers listings? I would think that would add to the allure of this "wonderful mystery treasure".
Maybe this seller is legit and is hoping for some mad-money bids by folks who want to be the first to look inside the "box". Stranger things have happened...
edited for spelink
My point is still I doubt highly you will ever have anyone offer you an UN OPENED item in your stated terms and let you open it then decide if you want to buy it. Unless maybe the price is NOT set and the seller has the option of declining the sale or changing the price.. Again I dont endorse this seller just stating what is common practice in UN OPENED sales.
<< <i>I asked him a question and did not receive an answer as of yet. >>
He may treat his emails like his proof sets, keeps them unopened.
Hi, since no pics and no paypal, will you agree to use an ebay approved escrow service to complete the transaction if buyer pays the fees?
Also, do you guarantee that the contents are a complete 1937 proof set?
Thanks!
I do not expect a reply.
<< <i>I dont like the auction. Private, check or money order only payment.
No pictures. >>
Yep....for people here who have complained about the mandatory paypal offering that ebay rolled out, this is one of those types of auctions that make sense for it.
I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment
A bunch of BS
Ike Specialist
Finest Toned Ike I've Ever Seen, been looking since 1986
while i firmly believe that entire sets of 1936-1942 Proof coins exist(ed) and were sent to individuals as a group, issues from this era were typically sold individually which accounts for the disparity in mintages among the issues. i for one would be curious to see what these coins were originally shipped in and what the entire set would have been packaged in.
Go BIG or GO HOME. ©Bill
<< <i>Most pre-flat pack US proof coins 1936-1955 were sold as sets. The coins were in cellophane envelopes and the envelopes were stapled together. Occasionally, collectors ordered and extra of one denomination, or only a single example. This accounts for differences in totals for each denomination each year. For photos of some pre 1950 sets, look for a thread about 1-1/2 years ago where a small collection of commems and proof sets was inherited. The members name was “Darth5oh.” (I used a couple of his photos, with permission, in a Coin World article about the first Jefferson nickels.) >>
I'm certainly not trying to correct you Roger but I was always under the impression that the proof coins prior to 1950 were offered as individual pieces and not as complete sets. However it would make sense that collectors would have ordered one of each coin thereby making a complete set.
How far off am I?
The name is LEE!
The name is LEE!
<< <i>Most pre-flat pack US proof coins 1936-1955 were sold as sets. The coins were in cellophane envelopes and the envelopes were stapled together. Occasionally, collectors ordered and extra of one denomination, or only a single example. This accounts for differences in totals for each denomination each year. For photos of some pre 1950 sets, look for a thread about 1-1/2 years ago where a small collection of commems and proof sets was inherited. The members name was “Darth5oh.” (I used a couple of his photos, with permission, in a Coin World article about the first Jefferson nickels.) >>
Not sure about WWII era proof packaging, but from 1950-55, the sets were sold in
a small square box about 3/4 inch high, sealed with two strips of paper-backed tape
which ran around the box, one north-south, the other east-west. The box had a lid,
and the set was usually opened by slicing the tape at the bottom of each side of it.
In 1955, the mint converted to the flat pack, and actually issued sets with both
packaging styles that year.
As stated above, the coins were in little cellophane envelopes folded at the top and
stapled all together. There was also some paper packing material, as I recall.
<< <i>Check out the old thread mentioned earlier - there are a lot of photos of 1937-42 proof sets. >>
Appears to be the identical boxes and packaging used from 1950-55.
As for the tape being crossed on the 50-55 sets, only partially true. All 50-53 sets are cross taped. The 54 and 55 have a single band. The exception is if the set was mailed in it's box with a postage stamp, the box no matter what year received a cross tape. remember that when you are looking at sealed sets.
Ike Specialist
Finest Toned Ike I've Ever Seen, been looking since 1986
<< <i>The boxes used for the 36-42 sets are not identical to the boxes used for the 50-55 sets. It is slightly larger.
As for the tape being crossed on the 50-55 sets, only partially true. All 50-53 sets are cross taped. The 54 and 55 have a single band. The exception is if the set was mailed in it's box with a postage stamp, the box no matter what year received a cross tape. remember that when you are looking at sealed sets. >>
Thanks for the clarifications!
<< <i>I dont like the auction. Private, check or money order only payment.
No pictures.[/q
MIGHT AS WELL GRAB YOUR ANKLES AND SPREAD YOUR CHEEKS
1937 - $2,324.99
1938 - $1,326.95
1939 - $1,336.95
1941 - $1,025.00
Past 15 Day Sales
The name is LEE!
ordered or if he had xrayed the contents to see what was in the package. No response whatsoever.
Auction over and now for the feedback wait. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm, hope he's legit and
someone gets something fantastic and rare.
bob