Here are my recent 8 free submission grades / new photos

KoolCoin · October 12, 2008 10:22AM

Line # Item # Cert # PCGS No. CoinDate Denomination Variety Country Grade
1 1 12504425 2227 1907 1C US CleanedRB
2 1 12504426 3864 1903 5C US Altered Surface
3 1 12504427 3915 1913 5C Type 1 US Altered Surface
4 1 12504428 4520 1831 10C US Altered Surface
5 1 12504429 4860 1912 10C US AU55
6 1 12504430 5637 1904 25C US Cleaned
7 1 12504431 5706 1917 25C Type 1 US AU55
8 1 12504432 5353 1834 25C US Cleaned

Ouch!! This just proves I do not have a clue when it comes to purchasing raw coins.

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bidask · October 12, 2008 10:27AM

thats ok learn from your mistakes....

gecko109 · October 12, 2008 10:33AM

My first submission with U.S. type coins was 4 for 8. 4 of the coins were BBed for cleanings or altered surfaces. Practice, practice, practice is all it takes. If you are considering buying a raw coin and there is ANY doubt at all in your mind as to its originality, just assume its been cleaned/altered, then pass or play depending on the price asked.

jdimmick · October 12, 2008 10:43AM

Damn

AnkurJ · October 12, 2008 10:57AM

Wow thats rough! Do you have pics of the body bags?

Amigo · October 12, 2008 10:57AM

It's similiar to my submissions 10 yrs ago.
Practice Practice is not the answer if you don't know what you're looking for.

Believe me, the hobby will be 100 times more enjoyable once you learn to grade. It is well worth attending an ANA grading class, even for the plane ticket

robkool · October 12, 2008 10:58AM

At least the 1917 SLQ, and Barber dime got nice grades...

TwoSides2aCoin · October 12, 2008 11:53AM

Perhaps you can post pictures prior to submittal, next time. It's very likely to save money using this method, and you will get brutally honest opinions, too.

NHSBaseball · October 12, 2008 12:40PM

Been there, and I feel your pain...

Goldbully · October 12, 2008 12:46PM

Your honesty is inspirational....you will learn much from this experience.

I know, I am still in the learning phase too....and it's many years later!!!

YaHa · October 12, 2008 4:12PM

Those damn dippers. If a old gold/copper coin looks to good to be true it's probably clean. Damn those dippers.

jmj3esq · October 12, 2008 9:56PM

Not good. Not good at all.

19Lyds · October 13, 2008 1:42AM

Cleaned does not always come back as cleaned on a resubmission unless these were obvious cleanings.

I have resubmitted coins that were bagged as "cleaned" which I knew had not been cleaned and they graded the second time around.

The altered surface is a different story though. Try to figure out what they are basing their opinion on. It is, after all, only a professional "opinion".

baddogss · October 13, 2008 1:49AM

Hey KoolCoin, when did they get your coins? My submissions show as being received on 10/7, no grades posted yet. Thanks,

Res · October 13, 2008 3:51AM

<< <i>Hey KoolCoin, when did they get your coins? My submissions show as being received on 10/7, no grades posted yet. Thanks, >>

The quoted time is 21 business days for the complimentary collectors club submission.

KoolCoin · October 13, 2008 9:51AM

PCGS received my submission on 9/25 and posted the grades exactly two weeks later on 10/9. When my coins are returned I will upload photos of the "problem coins." Thanks everyone for your suggestions on practice and resubmitting the coins. After I post the coins I might try submitting again based on your suggestions. Otherwise, I will offer them on the BST boards with problems noted.

Koolcoin

orie · October 13, 2008 10:08AM

That was a cheap lesson. Two things happened, you learned more about your coins and most importantly, the dealer.

KoolCoin · October 21, 2008 10:59AM

ttt

Goldbully · October 21, 2008 11:01AM

<< <i>ttt >>

KoolCoin, you're a good man!!!!

illini420 · October 21, 2008 11:12AM

Reminds me of my first submission... unfortunately...

I thought I had bought some awesome coins and had practically stolen them from the seller at the price I paid!

3 out of 4 bodybagged... 2 as improperly cleaned and the other as artificial color

Looking back though, for the prices I paid, the coins weren't really that bad and I realized that I liked them enough to buy in the first place and that I still liked the look of them regardless of what the third party grader thought in their review.

The coins you have that bagged still look nice to me. As long as you didn't pay full retail and that you still like your coins then

GoldenEyeNumismatics · October 21, 2008 12:05PM

Looks like they were rough on you.

PrivateCoinCollector · October 21, 2008 12:17PM

Poop happens. Keep those coins in the BB flips, and look at them everyday for two or three weeks. Figure out what to look for. Spin them around under a good incandencent bulb. Put them away, and then repeat the next day. Do this enough times and you will turn the money you spent on BB'ed coins into a pretty darn good educational opportunity.

ajia · October 21, 2008 12:30PM

The cleaned coins I can see......
But I kept looking at the nickels for cleaning when I re-read the grades.....Altered Surface!

I will NEVER like that 'reason' to BB, nor 'Questionable Color'.
Why can TPG list definative reasons like Cleaned, Whizzed, AT, Tooled, etc.
These are things we can see & learn from.
Questionable color is just wrong....either it NT or AT....they're the experts, make a call.
Altered Surface, just what is that?
If we didn't see it when we sent it in, why would we see it now? Not even an opportunity to learn IMO.

Maybe it's just me.

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Broadstruck · October 24, 2008 11:48AM

Ouch even your avatar/icon looks MS70'd

golfer72 · October 25, 2008 10:20AM

Keep sending them in. Eventually they will grade. Of course by then you will have spent many times the worth of the coin.

coinnuttius · October 25, 2008 2:17PM

<< <i>Line # Item # Cert # PCGS No. CoinDate Denomination Variety Country Grade
1 1 12504425 2227 1907 1C US CleanedRB
2 1 12504426 3864 1903 5C US Altered Surface
3 1 12504427 3915 1913 5C Type 1 US Altered Surface
4 1 12504428 4520 1831 10C US Altered Surface
5 1 12504429 4860 1912 10C US AU55
6 1 12504430 5637 1904 25C US Cleaned
7 1 12504431 5706 1917 25C Type 1 US AU55
8 1 12504432 5353 1834 25C US Cleaned

Ouch!! This just proves I do not have a clue when it comes to purchasing raw coins.
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Nah, all it says is that your opinion and those of a some people at PCGS are different by your/their standards.

AlixTCat · October 25, 2008 9:42PM

Well, at least now you know what altered surfaces and cleaned coins look like. Perhaps go through a dealer next time so they can weed out the altered and cleaned coins for you. I would not resubmit these coins hoping for a grade.

Jonathan

thatboyaintright · November 15, 2008 12:44PM

Yikes.. I feel your pain... Of course if you resubmit them after 12/01/08 at least you'll get those 6 in PCGS slabs labeled "genuine".

Doesn't help in figuring out how badly we got hosed by the seller though.

Halfhunter06 · November 15, 2008 1:46PM

i dont get this "altered surface" thing. the V nickel and buffalo look fine to me

abitofthisabitofthat · November 15, 2008 8:45PM

Tough to say on the V. Looks fine in the pic. But altered surfaces can be very hard to detect and may only be visible when tilted at a certain angle. I think that cleanings are pretty obvoius, though. I don't think that they really had a chance to slab.

I would recommend spending some time really looking at coins that are slabbed. It should help you get a feel for what will slab.

Good luck.

edited for spelling.

golfer72 · November 15, 2008 9:19PM

I see many many coins already slabbed that look cleaned etc. Its a crap shoot.

jdimmick · November 15, 2008 9:52PM

Thanks for posting the BB's >they clearly are not holderable. the Nickle looks questionable at best.

Learn from the post, and submission , and apply this to future purchases. It will take time to learn what to look for !

mr1931S · November 15, 2008 10:48PM

I have resubmitted coins that were bagged as "cleaned" which I knew had not been cleaned and they graded the second time around.

A bargain at twice the price? Or is it free if you complain about the first time soundly enough to get the cleaned coin graded the second time around?

lcoopie · November 15, 2008 10:54PM

you've paid your tuition (as we ALL have)

study and understand the reasons

Bikingnut · November 16, 2008 1:45AM

I once sent a 1910 Liberty Nickel in with a submission and it came back BB'ed for artificial color. I disagreed and sent it back for review and it was BB'ed for artificial color. About a year or so ago, I sent it in on a Collectors club free quarterly submission, and it was returned in an MS63 holder.

Dennis

Here are my recent 8 free submission grades / new photos

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