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I know what NGC says, but what would you grade this 89cc?

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  • kieferscoinskieferscoins Posts: 10,017 ✭
    Cleaned.

    Cameron Kiefer
  • AUandAGAUandAG Posts: 24,992 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Amazing piece of history there! With so few being minted many, many had PL surfaces. This one
    obviously exhibited that trait. Wow, preserved no nicely. I would say that it is an AU55 with a
    possible PL designation. Not too shabby a coin!
    bobimage
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  • ShamikaShamika Posts: 18,785 ✭✭✭✭
    58
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  • JRoccoJRocco Posts: 14,277 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Listen to Cameron.
    Look at IGWT on the reverse for proof.
    Some coins are just plain "Interesting"
  • savoyspecialsavoyspecial Posts: 7,322 ✭✭✭✭
    cameron is right but i'm guessing the NGC plastic reads AU53

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  • anablepanablep Posts: 5,172 ✭✭✭✭✭
    AU58.

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  • TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 44,700 ✭✭✭✭✭
    It's going to need a lot more thumbs on it to get a thumbs up on it. Please send it to me so I can physically examine it image

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  • LeeBoneLeeBone Posts: 4,672 ✭✭✭✭✭
    58
  • Tyler1924STyler1924S Posts: 1,328
    AU-58. I don't believe it's been cleaned, judging from the pics. It appears there are many hairlines, but I believe they are random.
  • ajiaajia Posts: 5,403 ✭✭✭
    IF it graded I was say a 55.

    Something going on with the cheeks. Not sure what.
    Also above the eagle's head, doesn't look like a normal 'hit'.
    Lastly, the 'wear' above ONE DOLLAR looks also looks strange to me.

    If it BB I would say environmental damage.

    But keep in mind I don't think I've ever been right with these guessing games.
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  • Dog97Dog97 Posts: 7,874 ✭✭✭
    The darkness in the unprotected areas of the fields and on the high points of the design elements indicates loss of luster due to rub, wear, curculation or whatever so I say 55. A 58 would look "almost uncirculated" and not have that amount of rub.
    Change that we can believe in is that change which is 90% silver.
  • DennisHDennisH Posts: 14,015 ✭✭✭✭✭
    AU55

    What's the porosity on the cheek all about?
    When in doubt, don't.
  • dwsswsdwssws Posts: 2,166
    I'll say 55
    steve

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  • blueifalconblueifalcon Posts: 963 ✭
    AU 55, but what do I knowimage
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  • lcoopielcoopie Posts: 8,874 ✭✭✭✭✭
    it may be cheating to post after Cameron,
    but I am especially suspicious of the eaten away cheek
    LCoopie = Les
  • MirroredBucksMirroredBucks Posts: 65
    A guess - AU-53.
  • pennyanniepennyannie Posts: 3,929 ✭✭✭
    Dial 911, a little doctoring and it has a better shot at sitting in plastic.
    Mark
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  • FrankcoinsFrankcoins Posts: 4,572 ✭✭✭
    58 or 61
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  • RyGuyRyGuy Posts: 1,465 ✭✭✭
    AU55 and I think its pretty obvious the coin is sitting in plastic. I don't know what everyone else is looking at.
  • Dog97Dog97 Posts: 7,874 ✭✭✭
    <<<Cleaned.>>>

    <<<it may be cheating to post after Cameron,
    but I am especially suspicious of the eaten away cheek >>>

    I thought about pvc damage on the cheek but the OP leads me to believe that NGC has graded it so that precluded anything else other than a market acceptable slabbed coin.
    Change that we can believe in is that change which is 90% silver.
  • TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 44,700 ✭✭✭✭✭
    MS 63 for pricing purposes image ... but that's just me. I value them a little differently than I grade them.

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  • metalmeistermetalmeister Posts: 4,602 ✭✭✭✭✭
    53-55
    Super coin even if its "cleaned"
    image
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  • KurtHornKurtHorn Posts: 1,382 ✭
    Very obviously cleaned. Also looks like it's in a slab. Although the white balance is pretty poor. If NGC is on its toes... it's in an NCS slab Unc. Details improperly cleaned. But it's probably in an NGC AU slab.
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  • …… Posts: 958 ✭✭✭
    probably went 55, but it should have BB'd.
  • DUIGUYDUIGUY Posts: 7,252 ✭✭✭
    NGC grades her AU 55
    “A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly."



    - Marcus Tullius Cicero, 106-43 BC
  • dohdoh Posts: 6,457 ✭✭✭
    58
    Positive BST transactions with: too many names to list! 36 at last count.
  • coinkatcoinkat Posts: 23,992 ✭✭✭✭✭
    It is clearly not original, but not as bad as what has been holdered... 53-55 seems okay

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  • FrankcoinsFrankcoins Posts: 4,572 ✭✭✭
    It certainly is no more cleaned than the typical "white" silver coin of that age that gets slabbed all the time. Some of the Carson City issues had a rough life even though technically UNcirculated...during various moves and audits some of the 80 year old canvas bags would become rotten through dampness and when picked up, the coins
    spill all over a concrete floor...be scooped up with snow shovels and run through a counting machine and be rebagged.
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  • messydeskmessydesk Posts: 20,461 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Sorry, but there's no conclusive proof of cleaning that can be gleaned from the photo alone. I see naturally disturbed semi-PL surfaces and am going to say 58 like many others. The cheek looks like it was hit by buckshot, so maybe 55 is a better grade.
    John
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  • Steve27Steve27 Posts: 13,275 ✭✭✭
    Since wear is obvious then AU55.
    "It's far easier to fight for principles, than to live up to them." Adlai Stevenson
  • ajiaajia Posts: 5,403 ✭✭✭
    Wonder what PCGS would say?? image
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