Value Of A Trimmed Card??

CardsForMS · October 1, 2008 11:56PM

What would be the value of a 1965 Topps Steve Carlton SGC holdered "A" (authentic) car be worth. The card has a NM/MT apperance, but is slightly trimmed.

stevek · October 2, 2008 12:09AM

<< What would be the value of a 1965 Topps Steve Carlton SGC holdered "A" (authentic) car be worth. The card has a NM/MT apperance, but is slightly trimmed. >>

Very, very subjective. It's not worth anything to me, zero...but on ebay I'm just guessing it may fetch $50 - $75 especially because a few bidders might take a shot of cracking it and submitting it to PSA., and besides it is a very popular card.

Stingray · October 2, 2008 12:09AM

$35 is just a guess??

jrinck · October 2, 2008 12:11AM

I'd accept a trimmed card if it was in the PSA 1 to 5 range, appearance-wise. If it was trimmed to make it look mint, though, then that's a clear case of fraud and I don't want anything to do with it.

So the value of the card you are speaking of, to me, is nothing. Take it out of the holder and fold one of the corners, though, and then I'll be interested.

BunchOBull · October 2, 2008 12:12AM

As I said in the other thread, I think having it autographed and slabbed by PSA/DNA would be a very good move.

CardsForMS · October 2, 2008 12:15AM

<< As I said in the other thread, I think having it autographed and slabbed by PSA/DNA would be a very good move. >>

i do like that idea.. do both of these guys sign for free? thatis the only way i would want to do it.

stevek · October 2, 2008 12:16AM

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<< What would be the value of a 1965 Topps Steve Carlton SGC holdered "A" (authentic) car be worth. The card has a NM/MT apperance, but is slightly trimmed. >>

Very, very subjective. It's not worth anything to me, zero...but on ebay I'm just guessing it may fetch $50 - $75 especially because a few bidders might take a shot of cracking it and submitting it to PSA., and besides it is a very popular card. >>

Also - Some "scammers" might crack it and get it slabbed in a Pro graded holder which may fetch over $100.

stevek · October 2, 2008 12:18AM

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<< As I said in the other thread, I think having it autographed and slabbed by PSA/DNA would be a very good move. >>

i do like that idea.. do both of these guys sign for free? thatis the only way i would want to do it. >>

Free? I don't know...I do know that Carlton does a number of autograph shows so his sig can be gotten at some price.

billwaltonsbeard · October 2, 2008 12:37AM

<< Also - Some "scammers" might crack it and get it slabbed in a Pro graded holder which may fetch over $100. >>

Why do people pay anything for PRO and GEM graded stuff anyway? Are they hoping that maybe, just maybe, the cards aren't trimmed or recolored?

itzagoner · October 2, 2008 1:02AM

HAH! free autograph. good one.

Sincerely,

Johnny Bench

dan8402 · October 2, 2008 1:13AM

<< HAH! free autograph. good one.

Sincerely,

Johnny Bench >>

The auto is free, you just have to pay $50 to get the card back.

stevek · October 2, 2008 1:27AM

<< 

<< Also - Some "scammers" might crack it and get it slabbed in a Pro graded holder which may fetch over $100. >>

Why do people pay anything for PRO and GEM graded stuff anyway? Are they hoping that maybe, just maybe, the cards aren't trimmed or recolored? >>

That's a possibility or a probability, and in my view there's enough newbies that jump in and out of the hobby depending on their mood, who know little to nothing about grading companies, and buy the Pro graded cards believing they're getting a bargain versus those "more expensive" PSA graded cards.

billwaltonsbeard · October 2, 2008 1:37AM

<< 

<< HAH! free autograph. good one.

Sincerely,

Johnny Bench >>

The auto is free, you just have to pay $50 to get the card back. >>

Talk to Carlton's son for the details.

MBMiller25 · October 2, 2008 1:53AM

I wouldnt pay anything for a trim carded. Its worthless in my eyes.

TomGshotput · October 2, 2008 3:20AM

I don't have a problem with a card being trimmed, it is no worse than a card in poor condition; for a carlton rookie, maybe $15 to $20. A few dollars more if it's in a holder

WinPitcher · October 2, 2008 3:21AM

Before I'd accept the fact that SGC was correct I'd send it to PSA (regardless if I thought it had been there already)

I'd get a second opinion.

Steve

Leiascards · October 2, 2008 3:27AM

I would rather see it signed and then slabbed in a PSA holder. Otherwise it may eventually find its way either into a holder and into the hands of a scammer. If it is truly trimmed which it looks like to me it is it does not need to be in a PSA Holder with anything more than an authentic or PSA/DNA designation.

WinPitcher · October 2, 2008 3:37AM

You can tell by the scan that it is trimmed?

Yet when the SGC grader first saw it it was ok?

Only when the guy that proofs it claimed differently?

If it measures up (which I think the OP said it did) then I'd want a second opinion.

Steve

cwazzy · October 2, 2008 3:51AM

<< You can tell by the scan that it is trimmed?

Yet when the SGC grader first saw it it was ok?

Only when the guy that proofs it claimed differently?

If it measures up (which I think the OP said it did) then I'd want a second opinion.

Steve >>

I wouldn't say that I could say for certain that it was trimmed from the scan but there were quite a few of us that said it looked trimmed before he sent it in. That being said I would probably get it signed, even if there was a fee, and then send it to PSA/DNA.

Chris

StopYurWhining · October 2, 2008 4:00AM

get it autographed!

Leiascards · October 2, 2008 4:00AM

I think at least 4 other posters expressed that they thought it might be trimmed. Just because a card measures up does not mean it is not trimmed.

What is to say the second opinion might not be right? Would you want to buy a card that is suspect? I personally think this card would be better in a PSA/DNA holder.

rube26105 · October 2, 2008 4:00AM

carlton is 25$, whos the other guy youa re talking about



send em all to me,then ill get em autoed if it a hof'er

Leiascards · October 2, 2008 4:06AM

Look at the bottom edge in the lower left hand corner there is a spot where the edge appears to go up and then down. The card is leaning to the left but this is still pretty visible. It is touching the bottom rail and then suddenly it is slightly off the bottom rail further to the left. That would be impossible if the edge were straight.

CardsForMS · October 2, 2008 4:47AM

i am looking into getting it signed. Steve is signing at a show later this month, but they wat $50 for the signature. Assuming the other guy on the card i can get for free, how much value to you thing the signatures would ad to the card..

thenavarro · October 2, 2008 5:00AM

I agree with some of the others on here, get it signed and slabbed and it will look like this:

I wouldn't bother getting Ackley to sign, but that's just me, I'd rather have just the HOF'er.

Mike

rube26105 · October 2, 2008 5:27AM

fritz is dead, like i said, flats are 25 $ ttm for carlton f you want his addy ,if anybody knows ttm ,it would be me

stevek · October 2, 2008 6:18AM

Fritz Ackley
Florian Frederick Ackley Bats Left, Throws Right
Weight 202 lb.

Debut September 21, 1963
vs. DET 6.0 IP, 5 H, 4 SO, 3 BB, 2 ER
Final Game May 9, 1964
Born April 10, 1937 in Hayward, WI
Died May 22, 2002 in Duluth, MN

WinPitcher · October 2, 2008 6:24AM

I think many 'thought' it was trimmed before he sent it in because it was in a CSA slab.

I did too.

What harm is in sending it in for a second opinion?

Unless a card is butchered no one can say for certain that a card is trimmed by looking at a slab.

I wonder how many times a card was rejected by PSA, sent back in and then holdered?

I also wonder how many cards are in peoples collections that the above has happened to?

IMO and it is only my opinion I'd do the PSA/DNA thing only after I tried one more time to get it holdered.

Steve

stevek · October 2, 2008 7:09AM

<< I think many 'thought' it was trimmed before he sent it in because it was in a CSA slab.

I did too.

What harm is in sending it in for a second opinion?

Unless a card is butchered no one can say for certain that a card is trimmed by looking at a slab.

I wonder how many times a card was rejected by PSA, sent back in and then holdered?

I also wonder how many cards are in peoples collections that the above has happened to?

IMO and it is only my opinion I'd do the PSA/DNA thing only after I tried one more time to get it holdered.

Steve >>

Steve - You're right, it is sometimes difficult to tell if a card is trimmed from a scan, however it isn't difficult at all to tell if a card has been trimmed when in hand and especially under a loupe. I'm not gonna speak for any grading company but if the graders are trained properly, then they really should be able to spot a trimmed card 100% of the time. I'd be very surprised if this card would make it past the PSA graders, and as previously mentioned I would almost be certain this card has likely already been submitted to PSA..

But your point is understood that for the grading fees, the chances of reward are quite high if it does get slabbed, so it's up to the OP what he wants to do.

WinPitcher · October 2, 2008 8:10AM

Exactly, slabbed as an 8 or 8.5 (which SGC at first graded it) it is worth some serious dough.

Steve

ArchStanton · October 2, 2008 8:49AM

Sometimes it is obvious that a card has been trimmed, but it still has some value.

originalisbest · October 2, 2008 9:28AM

Yep, in this case it's not obviously trimmed from the scan -- might be worth a shot thru PSA. If no dice there, then getting it signed & slabbed seems a nice choice!

CardsForMS · October 2, 2008 9:36AM

the card was slabbed with an Authentic grade. i do not have a PSA membership, so sending to PSA is out.. since i already tried SGC, would you try Beckett?

remember, this means busting it out of the Authentic SGC slab.

WinPitcher · October 2, 2008 9:58AM

Hmmm that changes everything.

No I would not send it to beckett.

depending on how I felt about the card, I'd buy a membership with PSA and sumbit it with my 6 freebies.

I would have to be fairly certain that it was not trimmed though.

If you intend on getting it auto'd you have to crack it out anyway.

Steve

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